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Who the F*** gives a F*** about DVD clubs? Look at this COOLNESS!
Topic by: hamano
Posted: January 9, 2007 - 1:28 PM PST
Last Reply: September 8, 2007 - 4:42 PM PDT

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author topic: Who the F*** gives a F*** about DVD clubs? Look at this COOLNESS!
hamano
post #1  on January 9, 2007 - 1:28 PM PST  
Somebody at GC needs to talk to the Apple folks to see if you can't upload VOD content to this phone! Starbucks has a corner of the iTunes store, why can't you?

Everybody else, start buying Apple stock now, before it goes up again!

The new iPhone
NLee
post #2  on January 9, 2007 - 1:44 PM PST  
> On January 9, 2007 - 1:28 PM PST hamano wrote:
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> Everybody else, start buying Apple stock now, before it goes up again!

Hamano, are you in for the "pump-and-dump" scheme?
NLee
post #3  on January 9, 2007 - 1:47 PM PST  
Ooops... I just realized (looking at my animated doggy icon) that I'm into "hump-and-dump" myself.
hamano
post #4  on January 9, 2007 - 2:02 PM PST  
Speaking of dumps, I have to concede that the Zune is available in this color, which will never be offered to iPod users...
hamano
post #5  on January 9, 2007 - 2:31 PM PST  
Apparently Steve Jobs was joined by the CEOs of Google, Yahoo and Cingular at his keynote address at the Macworld Expo. Who was the CES keynote speaker again? What did he say?
artifex
post #6  on January 9, 2007 - 4:36 PM PST  
Gee, thanks, Hamano.

Yeah, a phone that doesn't do GPS, doesn't do 3G, doesn't have a front-facing camera so you can do video chats. Other premium phones have these features.
hamano
post #7  on January 9, 2007 - 4:45 PM PST  
Steve Jobs will be on ABC's Nightline tonight... not a big surprise, since he's probably Disney's biggest shareholder since the Pixar merger. Go Steve go!
hamano
post #8  on January 10, 2007 - 3:23 PM PST  
> On January 9, 2007 - 4:36 PM PST artifex wrote:
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> Yeah, a phone that doesn't do GPS, doesn't do 3G, doesn't have a front-facing camera so you can do video chats. Other premium phones have these features.

When the first iPod came out, there were plenty of mp3 players around that were cheaper and loaded with more features. This is strictly a matter of COOLNESS, arti, not function! Come on, it's an Apple product!
Catullus
post #9  on January 10, 2007 - 5:50 PM PST  
well i have to admit it, apple is kicking sonys ass when it comes to making stylish overpriced but complete and total crap.

I mean hey if you want to buy apple products go right ahead, they look cool and thats about it.
hamano
post #10  on January 11, 2007 - 7:41 AM PST  
On the whole I agree with you... I didn't get an iPod until last year, and I got the cheapest one. My belief though is that someone has to build cool overpriced but well desgined stuff, so that good design eventually trickles down to the masses. For me that's what Apple does best. They lead the way, they establish a certain aesthetic policy and they stick to it. But I'm not advocating that people blindly buy Apple products.

I have an "older" Mac and most of the apps I use on it are not Apple software products but third-party and/or open-source apps.

I don't think I'll buy ANY smartphone for at least a couple of years yet, so I won't be lining up to get the iPhone. But I'm glad Apple put this thing out, because otherwise we'll be stuck at Treos and Blackberries and stuff. I think the iPhone and the Nintendo DS are the two devices that CLEARLY point to the right direction technology should head in the future. If there was a DS iPhone that ran third-party open-source software in a couple of years, I might line up to buy it....
hamano
post #11  on January 11, 2007 - 7:46 AM PST  
SONY, on the other hand, has lately become the Toyota of electronics. They put out solid products in a really wide range of things from software to hardware, but they don't got the edge in coolness anymore. The most creative hardware/software designers are working for Nintendo now, not SONY or Microsoft.
hamano
post #12  on January 19, 2007 - 9:39 AM PST  
dpowers found this article for me... I pretty much agree with everything in it, down to the point that I probably won't buy one for a while and that I use Verizon for celling. It's a good basic case for why the iPhone is cool, and why it needs to exist, even if no one buys it.
Catullus
post #13  on July 11, 2007 - 8:13 PM PDT  
iphone seems to be selling well though now that its out.

Oh and you are wrong about nintendo... they are innovative yes but owning a ds and psp id say the PSP is definitely a whole lot cooler and has better games. DS is more popular but thats to be expected.

Also while the wii is definitely awesome the graphics are pretty much crap. Its not such a big deal now but 3 years from now in the "prime" of the consoles life cycle they are going to look like utter **** compared to PC graphics while XBOX 360 and PS3 will look fine.

The company is innovative but performance wise they are not up to snuff and thats why I dont think Nintendo on that front is going to win the long term battle this generation... I still think its going to end up Ps3 #1, Wii #2 and Xbox 360 a distant third even though right now Xbox 360 is number 1 wii is number 2 only until they ship more units and PS3 is a distant 3rd.

As for apple, the reason I made my previous comment is mostly about their Ipod and computer line. First the Ipods price performance compared to similar products on the market is horrible. There are far far better products out there... As a pure enthusiast id say Cowon makes some of the sickest most innovative Mp3 products on the market. For computers Macs are insanely over priced and poorly designed (os wise) and their computers are completely unintuitive.

Macs are basically computers for either idiots or multimedia geniuses. If you want a computer that has a pretty OS and doesn't game and can't get viruses you should be using Linux no question. Of course Linux is harder to set up than Mac but its free... hence why if you aren't using Mac for multimedia purposes you might just be stupid.

Now going further on that I dont really see how mac commercials could get any more blatantly annoying. They exaggerate everything and the people they choose to represent them are annoying. The guy who plays the PC in the im a mac and im a pc commercials is far more likable than the guy who they chose to play the mac.

Okay rant over... I admit I dislike apple and their products and the only reason you should use one is style/multimedia... I will not deny the appeal of the design... obviously they look great. However the thing that makes me angry is how ridiculously overpriced they are and the blind mac zealots who praise how great macs are.

hamano
post #14  on July 12, 2007 - 7:01 PM PDT  
> On July 11, 2007 - 8:13 PM PDT Catullus wrote:
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> The guy who plays the PC in the im a mac and im a pc commercials is far more likable than the guy who they chose to play the mac.

Well, duh, the Mac guy isn't written to appeal to people who inherently DISLIKE Macs! Of course you find the pathetic PC guy more appealing. He's written to appeal to Windoze drones who have a gut dislike for Macs. The actor is really funny though.

> Okay rant over... I admit I dislike apple and their products and the only reason you should use one is style/multimedia...

Well, I think that's exactly the point. If you don't got style or aesthetic taste by all means use something else. It's kind of a snobby outlook, but so is the position of someone who requires machines to just work well. I like things to look AND function well, and not in just an "Alienware" sort of way. Macs are designed to integrate form with function, which most PeeCee and Unix boxes aren't. They're just boxes filled with electronics, which is fine for people who just need things to work.

As for my take on Nintendo vs. SONY, again I'm not saying anything about them just based on technical specs. Nintendo is exploring a whole different interface philosophy, and that's what makes it so appealing to me. I could care less about the particular games or whatever... I'm not a gamer. The DS and the Wii open up whole new possibilities for networking (in the social sense), gaming (again in a physically social way that is different from previous networked gaming) and information management.

For me, information technology hinges on interface design, product design, innovation, AND style. I'm not a computer/gaming otaku as much as a "good design" otaku.

From that perspective the "Mac haters" who troll Mac discussions ranting on and on about the inferiority of the Apple products just seem pathetic and hysteric. You just don't get it.... We're not the ones who are "blind"... we can see the beauty of an idea, and you can't....

So here's a question... why do you never find Mac users going on PC or Unix forums trolling and flaming? Because only jerks do stuff like that. Jerks who are overcompensating for some physical or mental shortcoming, perhaps. Mac users usually have more fun and useful things to do....
Catullus
post #15  on July 12, 2007 - 10:33 PM PDT  
"why do you never find Mac users going on PC or Unix forums trolling and flaming?"

Because Mac users do not have the technical knowledge required to make any arguments that macs are superior.

1) macs just work... because you can't **** them up easily, honestly just because the mac user base is generally too stupid to figure out that they are the ones ****ing up their own pc's does not make Mac superior. I could argue further but maddox summed it up best "If everything on a Mac just works, then why does a website called "Mac fix it" exist"

2) pc =/= just windows, I dual boot linux and windows ZOMG WTF HAX

3) Mac hardly has the best style, first off the SFF HTPC enthusiast market puts mac to shame in terms of design and functionality, and my antec fusion case looks better than ANY mac designed to date.

4) macs only claim for superiority are multimedia creation functions... however dont look for multimedia playback solutions on a mac... again PC's is so far superior on that respect its ridiculous.

last but not least stop drinking the koolaid

hamano
post #16  on July 13, 2007 - 3:15 AM PDT  
See what I mean about the PeeCee flame trolls? They just don't give up. Their weird "ANTI-MAC" complex somehow compels even usually reasonable people like Cat to act like assholes. If you ask them if they don't have anything better to do than hang out in a Mac thread insulting people, they usually say "But I'm trying to save people from joining the Mac Cult!" How moronic.

As regular readers know, I'm stressed out from having to deal with a major fire next door that damaged our house and scared the heck out of us. I've got little patience for "flames" this week, so let's just leave it at that.
hamano
post #17  on July 13, 2007 - 3:45 AM PDT  
Sorry, I just couldn't resist adding this observation...

> On July 12, 2007 - 10:33 PM PDT Catullus wrote:
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> 3) my antec fusion case looks better than ANY mac designed to date.

Cat are you serious? That just looks like the DVD players they used to sell at Walmart 6 or 7 years ago. That's not "design"... that's just "hey we can throw computer innards in a stereo component case!" My kid's radio alarm clock looks better than THAT! As for Antec's other cases, the tower ones just prove how jealous PeeCee do-it-yourselfers are of the Mac Tower designs. Nice sleek metal look and stuff, but this is all just a cosmetic solution where Antec saw a commercial niche where they could make a profit going after PeeCee users who weren't satisfied with the "Dell look". It's not a totally integrated product design philosophy; it's just a box to hide stuff in. But if you gotta throw a prom dress on your grandma and pretend she's your girlfriend, I say good luck, buddy, have a nice date!

I'm not even gonna talk about how easy it is to run unix on a Mac since OS X came out... it's not worth the trouble, and for us "mac heads" it's really really old news...
hamano
post #18  on July 13, 2007 - 4:15 AM PDT  
> On July 12, 2007 - 10:33 PM PDT Catullus wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> "why do you never find Mac users going on PC or Unix forums trolling and flaming?"
>
> Because Mac users do not have the technical knowledge required to make any arguments that macs are superior.

That's a really good answer. Akin to "I go to the playground to beat up little kids because their arms are skinny and too short to hit back." Yay for bullies.

>
> "If everything on a Mac just works, then why does a website called "Mac fix it" exist"?

I added the question mark for you. The answer to this is that the "Mac Cult" members are rather nice, polite and helpful, and have a "community" where they help each other out. If you're having a problem, you don't have to dig around deep in some dungeon to find a solution someone posted on a game forum or something. A name like Mac Fix It makes the solutions easier to find.

No technology "just works" perfectly all the time. People still hit their thumbs when they're hammering a nail. My mother-in-law's VCR is still blinking 12:00. But for me, if a technology that isn't perfect in itself still manages to spawn a strong, friendly community of users who like to help each other out, THAT is an example of a system that "just works"... we're not just talking about the machines, but ther users and how they relate to each other as well.

I used my Mac to edit 6 years worth of digital photos into a slide show that was shown at my daughter's elementary school graduation. I used my Mac to master a DVD of the slide show with a DVD-ROM section with all the photos and each kid got a copy to keep. All with apps that were included out-of-the-box with my iMac. True, everything didn't work perfectly like I wanted... the iWeb software still has a lot of interface limitations and stuff it can't do. But if I had a problem that stumped me I could google sites like Mac Fix It for a solution or at least a work-around.

What I DON'T do with my Mac is go online to find a PeeCee forum or Linux forum to flame the other participants. That's just a stupid waste of time. If you were an orphan are you gonna go on a parenting forum and say, "LOL who needs parents anyway?" Well maybe YOU would...
underdog
post #19  on July 13, 2007 - 2:54 PM PDT  
Now now, gentlemen, there's no need for flaming and name-calling here. Even the Mac and PC guys on those ads get along quite well. ;-) (Okay, they're characters in an advertisement, but still.) I'm with the form and function groupies, I like my computer to work - if my Macs didn't, I wouldn't have been such a loyal customer all these years - and the attractiveness of them is an added bonus. I like the ease of use. Certainly, both Macs and Windows PCs have their bugginess - I use the latter at work and the former at home and they both can crash, but the PCs crash a lot more often and have had other useability issues (thank you Bill Gates). Their only advantage is just that there are still many more programs that work only with Windows, and others that work with both but not as well for Macs. So Macs aren't perfect, but I know which one I prefer in my house, for writing, graphic design, film editing and the like.

It does depend on what you use it for, your needs and so on. But I like the style of Apple products, there's no doubt.

I will say, as much as I love my iPod (and it does look cool), and it was basically the first of its kind, there are other MP3 players out there that work better and are cheaper, so there are times when it doesn't hurt to consider something else other than Apple. I can see that side of it.

Now play nice! ;-)
Catullus
post #20  on July 13, 2007 - 4:46 PM PDT  
> On July 13, 2007 - 4:15 AM PDT hamano wrote:
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> I added the question mark for you.
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Thank you, when I copied pasted that Quotation I erased it because it came after "assholes" as evidenced by the full quotation "If everything on a Mac just works, then why does a website called "Mac fix it" exist, assholes?"

So thanks for standing up for correct grammar and punctuation. Im sure english teachers everywhere are pleased. Emphasis placed on not capitalizing the e in english. Hey what can I say? I wanted to give you something fun to do.
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