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GCMUG (GreenCine Mac Users' Group)
Topic by: hamano
Posted: November 22, 2003 - 12:43 AM PST
Last Reply: February 6, 2007 - 5:12 PM PST

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author topic: GCMUG (GreenCine Mac Users' Group)
hamano
post #1  on November 22, 2003 - 12:43 AM PST  
Tech forum for GreenCine members with Macs

Stuff about browser use: How are you keeping up with the boards?

Stuff about using html and CSS: Coloured Links

Stuff about making animated icons: Animated Icons
hamano
post #2  on November 22, 2003 - 12:48 AM PST  
I've been using BitTorrent to download fansubs. It takes sooooo long to download 600MB of data! Kinda mucks up the DSL line for doing things like browse GreenCine and check for mail, too.

Has anyone been able to use a program called Poisoned for peer2peer file sharing? Is it a good way to look for files to swap?
dpowers
post #3  on November 22, 2003 - 1:07 PM PST  
how will you ever thank me for returning control to you of your DSL connection. hmm.

the reason your downstream connection stalls when you have BT open is that downloads need some up room to talk back to the remote computers. BT is using up your up stream space, so it's choking the download capacity for the whole system, including itself.

you already know from looking at the bittorrent up and down speeds what your maximum upload speed is, generally. mine is about 40KiB/s. figure you need more than 5KiB/s of up room to keep your down streams moving smoothly.

so what you do is, subtract that 5 or more from your maximum upload speed, divide the resulting number by the number of BT streams you have open, and enter the quotient into each stream's "Max UL KiB/s" box. be sure to press [return] or [enter] after typing the number to make it stick. (i know this sounds fussy but it's really not... you only need to do this once when you start, then let it run for as long as you want.)

for instance, let's say i have 2 torrents open and i'm still downloading data.

* my maximum is 40KiB/s, so i usually subtract 8, giving BT 32KiB/s to use for uploading.
* dividing 32 by 2 (for my 2 torrents) gives me 16KiB/s per torrent.
* enter 16 into each "max UL" box, and so, i still have a responsive connection.

also be sure to download the latest BT software, they're up to 3.3a now for X.

eventually i hope they automate this... should be easy to set a "share and share alike" preference.
hamano
post #4  on November 22, 2003 - 3:23 PM PST  
> On November 22, 2003 - 1:07 PM PST dpowers wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> how will you ever thank me for returning control to you of your DSL connection. hmm.

hmm...hmm....hmmm... Why don't you meet me at Tokyo Tower, and we can get a bite to eat and then I'll take you to a Karaoke Box!

>mine is about 40KiB/s.

Wow... backwaters MD has pokey speeds... aDSL and download is about 30 and upload is about 20 max...

> enter the quotient into each stream's "Max UL KiB/s" box.

Where IS that? I get a stream window with 6 lines plus a progress bar.

File: blah blah.avi
% Completed: 13.2%
Time Remaining: 2 hours etc.
Last Error:
Download Rate:27.9KiB/s total: 17.1 MiB
Upload Rate:13.5 KiB/s total: 12.8 MiB
===========--------------------------------

No input box(es). Prefs just lets me change port numbers and enter a IP number to report it to the tracker.

> eventually i hope they automate this... should be easy to set a "share and share alike" preference.

Maybe 3.3a implemented this? Everything seems to be proceeding more smoothly. The form to upload this post is going in and out pretty quick. The FAQ mentioned that 3.3a no longer will allow big downloads to "hose the CPU"...

Oh, welcome to the GCMUG, by the way (as if I expected anyone else to join...) ^_^
hamano
post #5  on November 22, 2003 - 3:25 PM PST  
Whoa, my download rate momentarily topped 60 KiB/s! This is much better. The only change is going to 3.3a, I think...
dpowers
post #6  on November 22, 2003 - 3:30 PM PST  
ah ha forgot a step.

click the wide pill "tools" button on the right side of each title bar to show the input boxes.

[ . () () () . . . . "plushie-snuff.torrent" . . . . ( this button ) . ]
dpowers
post #7  on November 22, 2003 - 3:41 PM PST  
for a short time there was a mac application called "n-f- fanatic" that did all those website things in one application and allowed some other stuff. it was something like neil creswell's app, but it looked like itunes and had a very simple interface.

in a complicated maneuver, apple recently declared it was their property because the shareware developer was working for apple when he started making it and he may or may not have used specific apple tech he was privy to in making the software.

anyway the app was very popular... i wonder if it shows up again, how hard it would be to broaden its scope to include other rent-by-net services.
hamano
post #8  on November 22, 2003 - 7:03 PM PST  
> On November 22, 2003 - 3:30 PM PST dpowers wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> click the wide pill "tools" button on the right side of each title bar to show the input boxes.
> [ . () () () . . . . "plushie-snuff.torrent" . . . . ( this button ) . ]
> ---------------------------------

Ah...there it is. OK, I'm trying it at 10 because my average upload is about 15-20. How did you know what I was downloading, anyway...

Did the n-f stand for Net Flix?
dpowers
post #9  on November 22, 2003 - 11:22 PM PST  
netflix netflix netflix netflix!
dpowers
post #10  on January 12, 2004 - 10:38 AM PST  
hee hee! i found it i found it! eyeballs

i used to have eyeballs on my mac. now i have them again!
hamano
post #11  on January 13, 2004 - 8:18 AM PST  
I have the other balls on my Mac...

I've been using DiVX Doctor to "flatten" my .avi files into .mov and watching them with Quicktime... I just found out about MPlayer, which is OS X native now and plays .avi files. It seems to me that the Quicktime .mov files play more smoothly... Does anyone prefer MPlayer for some reason? Should I continue to make .mov files?
dpowers
post #12  on January 13, 2004 - 10:10 AM PST  
mplayer has a very fancy forward and back function - use the left and right arrow keys - with a live position indicator that pops up on the screen. by far the easiest, simplest interface for stepping through full-screen video playback i've ever seen. QT player is terrible in full-screen mode.

also, unlike VLC, mplayer has a preference setting to drop frames when the decompression gets the better of the processor. QT player does that automatically, which is partly why it looks smoother (but i'm sure the other reason is that the 3ivx plug-in uses the G4 pretty well).

here's how i use the three programs.

QT player: for translating files or stitching media together, and .mov playback.

VLC: for playing back DVD files. i have one of the early DVD-capable macs, with hardware decoding. sometimes i get a region 1 disc that apple's DVD player can't play because of some encoding glitch. i grab the video to my hard drive and play it back with VLC. VLC can also de-interlace NTSC video on the fly, making it doubly useful for watching DVDs because the decoder card is terrible with interlaced video. grab the video, put it in a playlist, let the movie run.

mplayer: .avi only.
dpowers
post #13  on January 13, 2004 - 10:12 AM PST  
a couple of times when the audio sync has been broken on a .avi file, i've run it through divx doctor and then darned the sync with QT player. however divx doctor has several times screwed up the audio sync all by itself.
dpowers
post #14  on January 20, 2004 - 2:03 AM PST  
um, for those of you happily hanging on for dear life to your macintosh and looking at the G5 as a little ray of hope for your geeky future, there is a little more hope than that.

according to various rumor sites, apple and IBM are happily projecting a 5x speed advantage over planned chips from intel or AMD by the end of 2006. in addition, they are quietly anticipating that that future mac will be able to run windows, in emulation, twice as fast as any comparably-priced windows-native computer available at that time.

that chip will be the G7 or G8. the G5 is already competitive, and the G6, expected to be somewhere around 70% faster than the G5, will be in macs this fall.

people seem to think this is possible... as for me i think it's insane... but it looks like the powerpc processor has finally come into its own, and the mac is about to become a monster.

hee hee. an imac that runs windows faster than a PC that's twice the price. love it.
dpowers
post #15  on January 20, 2004 - 2:08 AM PST  
sorry - the G6 should be 110% faster (2.1 times as fast) than the current 2.0GHz G5 chip and about 70% faster than the new top-speed G5 expected in the next month or so.

hee hee
dpowers
post #16  on January 20, 2004 - 2:57 AM PST  
a sketch of future macintosh computers.

the POWER5, POWER6, and POWER7 are IBM mega-server-class chips, very redundantly dependable. the POWER4 was simplified for ordinary use, then given G4-like vector capacity, to make the G5.

fall 2004
PowerPC 975 aka G6 - POWER5 core, 90-nanometer/11-layer CMOS process, Hyperthreading, 3GHz+ (previously planned as PPC 980)

(right about here we replace this 1999 machine with one that's 15-20 times faster)

spring or summer 2005
PowerPC 976 - POWER5 Dual Core, 65nm SSOI (Strained Silicon On Insulator) process, VMX2 instructions, 4GHz+
this is an extremely badass chip. twin brains, very heavy-duty vector calculation capacity, high speed... a real-time CGI monster.

spring 2006
PowerPC 980 - POWER6 core, 65nm/11-layer FinFET/SSOI process, VMX2, 5GHz+

winter 2006
PowerPC 985 - POWER7 Dual Core, 45nm, 9GHz+
and this thing... this thing will eat black holes for breakfast...

later...
PowerPC 990 - POWER8 Multi-Core, 32nm, 15GHz+
model and create a black hole on your desktop, in real time!
dpowers
post #17  on January 20, 2004 - 3:47 AM PST  
i also have a little info on the availability of G5 powerbooks. they are expected this year (and they will probably be bug-free a few months after that). they are also expected to be liquid-cooled, so that they can stay about the same size without getting hotter or louder. nifty!

yes, definitely i'm excited about all this. i much prefer the feel of the mac even to that of XP, didn't want to have to give it up.
hamano
post #18  on January 20, 2004 - 6:16 AM PST  
> On January 20, 2004 - 2:03 AM PST dpowers wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> in addition, they are quietly anticipating that that future mac will be able to run windows, in emulation, twice as fast as any comparably-priced windows-native computer available at that time.

First, check today is Jan. 20 not April 1... Yay, I knew this day would come! Microsoft will have to put out a "Windows for Mac" that is optimized to run well as a Mac OS slave! How sweet! Now if only Apple would strike a deal with SONY so we could run Playstation games in emulation again!

In a couple of years, my dream is to have a Mac running all my AV equipment and music library, hooked up to an HDTV monitor and a surround stereo, operated from a sofa with a wireless keyboard and trackball...

Steve Jobs, live long and prosper!
dpowers
post #19  on January 20, 2004 - 9:02 AM PST  
yeah i'm kind of waiting for this dropped shoe to hit the tech world, the possibility that UNIX will be the best way to run windows apps within a couple of years. just makes me feel kinda funny. world's been turned over, for the better, to make the computer soil more fertile.

once openoffice is running on mac os x, at that point, there will be sparks, i don't doubt. the mac will: serve windows files better; run windows apps faster; access windows servers just as easily; run UNIX apps and services natively; probably also run linux apps alongside those, because that can be done and i'm sure someone will do it; compile anything; and become the food processor of the modern media kitchen.

if they're right. it seems to come down to heat. apple will be able to put 2 or 4 IBM processors in a case with the same cooling and power requirements as a single intel or AMD processor, at the same cost. i don't know about you but i feel as though some of that money i plunked down for that powermac 7100 was a good investment. have to wait and see. [twiddling thumbs in anticipation] i'm not very good at waiting!
IWhitney
post #20  on January 21, 2004 - 9:31 AM PST  

> First, check today is Jan. 20 not April 1... Yay, I knew this day would come! Microsoft will have to put out a "Windows for Mac" that is optimized to run well as a Mac OS slave! How sweet! Now if only Apple would strike a deal with SONY so we could run Playstation games in emulation again!

Well, remember that it is Microsoft that's releasing Virtual PC. They bought the software last year and have been developing the new G5 version that's super speedy. I use an older version of V PC and am excited about the new version, but I keep in mind that all the money I spend on it goes straight back to MS land (this doesn't bother me much. I'm not an MS hater just a Mac user).
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