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Political Dross Repository
Topic by: Eoliano
Posted: September 2, 2004 - 4:07 PM PDT
Last Reply: November 21, 2004 - 9:31 PM PST

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author topic: Political Dross Repository
Eoliano
post #1  on September 2, 2004 - 4:07 PM PDT  
Ok, here's a place where you can purge your political dross.
Eoliano
post #2  on September 2, 2004 - 4:08 PM PDT  
Begin purge...
woozy
post #3  on September 2, 2004 - 4:58 PM PDT  
> Subsidized abortions is a great idea too.
>
Actually, yeah, I *do* think subsidized abortions are a good idea.

1. Health care is an absolute shambles in this country and is a nescessary right of all citizens whether they can afford it or not. so some form of subsidized health care is nescessary.

2. Abortions are occasionally a nescessary and best course of action medical procedure and fall under the heading of healcare which by 1. is occasionally subsidized

Ergo 3. Subsidized abortions are sometimes nescessary.
Eoliano
post #4  on September 2, 2004 - 5:55 PM PDT  
Now woozy, you wouldn't happen to have any personal reasons for wanting subsidized abortions, would you?

And to go off-topic for a moment, isn't anyone the least bit curious about how woozy managed to have so many icon changes in a single day... Okay, woozy, time to fess up!
Cinenaut
post #5  on September 2, 2004 - 6:05 PM PDT  
Yeah, last time I changed my icon it seemed to take weeks.
woozy
post #6  on September 2, 2004 - 7:03 PM PDT  
> On September 2, 2004 - 5:55 PM PDT Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Now woozy, you wouldn't happen to have any personal reasons for wanting subsidized abortions, would you?
>
Yeah, I want to travel back in time and stop my mother from making the biggest mistake on the planet. :)

No. It's just that I'm pro-choice and get tired of the rhetoric and the wimpyness in which it's pussy-footed about. "I'm personally morally opposed to abortion but it should be a personal descission and outlawing abortions will lead to back-alley abortions, so even though it's a tragedy that some women choose them this way it's safe, but I'm opposed to abortions. Bad, bad, bad, god, family, wife kids, abortions bad. But I'm pro-choice."

Well, B.S.! Either abortions are acceptable actions or they aren't. Thought about how I really feel (forget the rhetorical: "it's not a baby, it's a woman's body" and "abortion stops a beating heart") and I came to the conclussion that abortions (like appendectemies) although never pleasant are frequently nescessary and the correct choice of action. Then I think more about it and think with all the shit-sucking gut-wrenching problems on the globe and the gazillion of monthly fertilized eggs that don't adher to uteran walls that, HOW EFFING DARE they tell people they need to adher to their morality just because one may have been unlucky in sex. HOW DARE THEY!

So I figure more people shouldn't wimp out and say "Well, it's a complex moral issue and it's sad that someone may have to choice an abortion but.." and more people should say "Damned straight, I'm pro-abortion. Sometimes you just gotta flush the zygote out and handful of squeamish people just DON'T have the right to enforce their wacko believes that don't hold up under observation".

For the record, I've never impregnated anyone.

> And to go off-topic for a moment, isn't anyone the least bit curious about how woozy managed to have so many icon changes in a single day... Okay, woozy, time to fess up!
> ---------------------------------

Well, let's see. Well, hamano claimed I looked like I was humping a tree trunk, I submitted an icon of me and dorothy petting my head, and converted to generic icons until it went about a week and a half later. Within one day, I was told it was fuzzy and I should consider a close up. So I submitted a close-up. It took two week but it went up yesterday or the day before. Then IronS said it looked like the blonde was putting her cigarette out in my eye socket. So I submitted my Alien vs. Woozy icon last night. Today at noon the icon went up AND I recieved the following email from support:

Hi Woozy,

Your new icon is up and running on our site already.

If you need us to make any changes or corrections, please feel free to drop a line to support@greencine.com. Thanks for using GreenCine. Have a nice day!
Sophie Supporter
GreenCine Customer Support
www.greencine.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Woozy Wizzle [mailto:woozy@woozy.woo]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:53 PM
To: icons
Subject: woozy


yet another change of icon for

woozy
Woozy Wizzle


I can only conclude that somehow my submission was considered a complaint and they hopped to to put the new one up.

It wasn't my intent.

woozy
post #7  on September 2, 2004 - 7:04 PM PDT  
Oh, subsidized abortions aren't really a passion of mine but I believe we need to subsidize some health care and I do passionately believe abortion is nescessary health care so modus ponens...
woozy
post #8  on September 2, 2004 - 7:23 PM PDT  
Gadzooks. Eoliano! You grew up!
woozy
post #9  on September 2, 2004 - 9:19 PM PDT  
Ah, an explaination. Celia, in support, has been added to icon duty.

I figure they probably started updating the icons two days ago and in the batch were my dorothy closeup; processed midnight tuesday, bowwow's dog; processed yesterday morning, my alien vs. woozy; processed this morning, Eo's callow youth; processed this afternoon.

I guess my pro-abortion tirade came on a little strong. The thing is if you step back and look at it, abortions really aren't a big deal there are very few doctors who perform them and their number is dropping as fewer and fewer medical students opt to learn. Despite the numbers claimed by anti-abortionists, 1 1/2 a million a year or whatever, that is at most only 1% of american women. Okay, if I heard about a country were 1/2 % of the population was rounded up and slaughtered every year I'd be appalled. But look at the world as a giant wreathing biological incubator. Look at the viruses, animals, spawning salmon, menstrating women, rutting pigs, etc. 1 half of every human menstral cycle involves a fertalized egg that didn't get lodged in a uterine wall. They are just zygotes. Okay, so where's the fine line between zygote and human. I dunno. Aha! If you can't define a line it must be made at conception! Nonsense, lack of knowing where a line is or even if it is a line doesn't mean there aren't stages where things are well defined. How many of you at 17 years and 364 days of age were innocent and incapable of the maturity to participate in society as an adult but gained that maturity in 24 hours. The tadpole/frog, how many grains make a heap, which penny was it that makes the man rich, is a well known greek philosophical paradox known for thousands of years but falling for it one way is know better than falling for it the other way. Okay, but come now, an anti-abortionist may say, if we allow abortions that's a complete condoning of irresponsible behavior. Okay, but are you still stepping back and looking at the six billion humans and all their actions over there lives? There's a wealthy socialite's daughter saving herself for marriage, there's her next door neighbor who is not, there's an indian husband setting fire to his wife, why there's you getting drunk at a sophomore party and feeling what'shername up, there's some rats eating a baby in his crib in a tenement apartment, there's me twenty-two years ago freaking out over bad acid, there's a woman who makes sure she is protected everytime she has sex, there's a crack-whore who doesn't, there are 60 million american zygotes being flushed away naturally every month with no-one noticing, there are 1 and 1/2 american zygotes a year being purposely flushed away, there are millions getting pregnant and being overjoyed and cherishing their children, and there are millions getting pregnant not giving a damn and ignoring and abusing there kids, there is every single mistake any human being has ever made and there is every single valued achievement any human being has ever made. Now what was the argument again. Oh, yeah, something about abortions being a big deal.
Bowwow
post #10  on September 2, 2004 - 9:25 PM PDT  
woozy, you make me want to get knocked up just so I can get an abortion!

But I was spayed by a responsible pet owner. Sheesh
woozy
post #11  on September 2, 2004 - 10:01 PM PDT  
> On September 2, 2004 - 9:25 PM PDT Bowwow wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> woozy, you make me want to get knocked up just so I can get an abortion!
>
Actually, that's a little scary.
Bowwow
post #12  on September 3, 2004 - 2:05 AM PDT  
> On September 2, 2004 - 10:01 PM PDT woozy wrote:

> Actually, that's a little scary.
> ---------------------------------

Yup.

hamano
post #13  on September 3, 2004 - 5:47 AM PDT  
An argument for my conservative friends: Why not subsidize abortions? We already subsidize murder (capital punishment)!
hamano
post #14  on September 3, 2004 - 5:57 AM PDT  
Actually, I saw a sign by the road in Pennsylvania, and it said "Pray the Rosary for an End to Abortion" and I'm not in opposition to that sentiment. IF abortions became unnecessary people could be pro-life or pro-choice and it wouldn't matter... Abortions wouldn't be needed today if people were more careful about birth control (and if there were no rapists) and generally if women had total control over their bodies and TOOK control before pregnancy occurred. THEN we could drop this whole subject out of the political debate and make politicians concentrate on other important things...

Anyway, I can't believe any of these dumb pro-life people could be serious until I see every one of them adopt 3 or 4 kids from big city public foster care systems. Well, actually I take them very seriously, at least the really stupid ones with guns who want to execute doctors who perform abortions... Do we need any further proof that good public education might be the key to solving a lot of these problems?
Catullus
post #15  on September 3, 2004 - 7:33 AM PDT  
> On September 3, 2004 - 5:57 AM PDT hamano wrote:
> --------------------------------
>
> Anyway, I can't believe any of these dumb pro-life people could be serious until I see every one of them adopt 3 or 4 kids from big city public foster care systems. Well, actually I take them very seriously, at least the really stupid ones with guns who want to execute doctors who perform abortions... Do we need any further proof that good public education might be the key to solving a lot of these problems?
> ---------------------------------

No education wouldn't help, but sterilizing the religious freaks would!!!!

(im only joking even though im serious that it would work)
woozy
post #16  on September 3, 2004 - 8:01 AM PDT  
> IF abortions became unnecessary people could be pro-life or pro-choice and it wouldn't matter... Abortions wouldn't be needed today if people were more careful about birth control (and if there were no rapists) and generally if women had total control over their bodies and TOOK control before pregnancy occurred. THEN we could drop this whole subject out of the political debate and make politicians concentrate on other important things...
>
See I actually think we ARE at that stage now. The highest statistics I've seen for abortions come from the vehemently anti-abortion sites (such as this) and the numbers just aren't that relavent. 40 million abortions since 1972. Well, is that REALLY that horrible? How many cases of other unpleasantries? Car accidents, colon cancer, domestic abuse, whatever. Mistakes and bad decissions will always happen. Pro-lifers would have you believe folks are skipping around consciously thinking "thanks to abortions I *don't* have to use birth control, Yippee" and then when they get knocked up the go to the local corner abortionist, pick a number and whack the fetus with big sad eyes, then and there. To my mind that's as logical as my getting up in the morning and consciously thinking "thanks to root canals I *don't* have to brush my teeth, Yippee".
Bowwow
post #17  on September 3, 2004 - 8:49 AM PDT  
Just wondering...

What do you guys thing about Steven Levitt's study that shows a corelation between legalized abortion and falling crime rates. i.e. that 18or so years after abortion was legalized, there was a noticable drop in crime rates.
Catullus
post #18  on September 3, 2004 - 8:57 AM PDT  
> On September 3, 2004 - 8:49 AM PDT Bowwow wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Just wondering...
>
> What do you guys thing about Steven Levitt's study that shows a corelation between legalized abortion and falling crime rates. i.e. that 18or so years after abortion was legalized, there was a noticable drop in crime rates.
> ---------------------------------

its true most likely, I mean if you are feeling trapped and desperate and you have been forced to have a baby (no abortion) it leads you to maybe doing somethings you wouldn't do otherwise... Maybe for your child, maybe because you are stressed out all the time, maybe because you just dont care anymore.

thats my guess anyway and it sort of makes sense.
woozy
post #19  on September 3, 2004 - 9:06 AM PDT  
> On September 3, 2004 - 8:49 AM PDT Bowwow wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Just wondering...
>
> What do you guys thing about Steven Levitt's study that shows a corelation between legalized abortion and falling crime rates. i.e. that 18or so years after abortion was legalized, there was a noticable drop in crime rates.
> ---------------------------------

Well, if bush can claim minority housing at an all time high since he's been president than I guess it's fair for pro-abortionists to claim this. But I don't see that there's any corelation. Well, maybe I should read the study first.

Cinenaut
post #20  on September 3, 2004 - 9:23 AM PDT  
Watching a portion of Bush's speech on ABC, I was struck by how often the cameras zeroed in on minorities. Look! It's an asian person! Look! It's a black person! Look! It's a Jewish person! It went on for a whole section of the speech. Flipping to PBS, the cameras seemed to be pulled back for more general crowd shots.
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