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Raw Sugar
Topic by: jross3
Posted: February 4, 2006 - 12:31 AM PST
Last Reply: February 9, 2006 - 4:37 PM PST

author topic: Raw Sugar
jross3
post #1  on February 4, 2006 - 12:31 AM PST  
... What is it? I noticed a bunch of movies here at GC have links to "tag" them at RawSugar. I tried looking through their site, but I don't understand what it's about.

Users say

"Tagging without hierarchical search just doesn't scale. RawSugar is the only service that seems to understand this."
Matt Spolin

(that makes one of us. . .)

That statement aside, I can't seem to find a simple "what we do" statement (GreenCine uses the mail system to send me movies; RawSugar uses a dictionary to confuse me)
What exactly is it, and how does it benefit Greencine folks?
SonjaBlue
post #2  on February 4, 2006 - 2:40 AM PST  
quirky jross3 wrote:

>...RawSugar...<
> What exactly is it, and how does it benefit Greencine folks?<

Oh, hello, quirky jross3.

I recently noticed that, too. How long have you noticed those tags?

Perhaps this product labeling is some sort of clever marketing endorsed by The Hentai Master and his followers.

If this is true, then it is not much of a veiled/fad adult reference to "Sugar In The Raw (aka BlueCine?)."

It might also be part of a series of subliminal advertisements for drinking more tea...

Possibly, it could also be the brand name of a "natural sugar" substitute for diabetics or severe allergy sufferers (e.g. IronS).
hamano
post #3  on February 4, 2006 - 7:55 AM PST  
Hmm... even the FAQ doesn't seem to clearly describe what this thing is actually good for... They don't have a PR type blurb that says "Raw Sugar is an exciting new blah blah..."

It SEEMS to be a way to publish your internet browsing bookmarks so other people can use it, but how is that useful for anyone? OK, I will be able to access my own bookmarks from a remote location, and that might be handy if I'm traveling or something. But beyond that I don't see much functionality. It's puzzling.... seems like waaay too much work for not a lot of payoff. It's like a collection of the "useful links" pages that some people put on their websites.
woozy
post #4  on February 4, 2006 - 9:35 AM PST  
> It SEEMS to be a way to publish your internet browsing bookmarks so other people can use it, but how is that useful for anyone?

I *think* the idea is that people would like to believe other people will benefit or be interested in what they think. So, for example, if I have a collection of links to what I think are the greatest S&M wizard of Oz sites, Raw Sugar, supposedly, will allow me to make it public to the world would make me feel all tingly inside. Now there are several ways to do this but the issue seems to be how to take a collection of many peoples lists and catalog them in a way that *is* useful to the "other people". Brown Sugar seems to be offering a way to allow user catagorizing. So, for example, going back to my S&M wizard of Oz list, I can a) put it somewhere where no-one can find it, b) put it on google where its findable be free text in context, c) put it on some site with a rigid set of catalog subject (e.g. Literature=>Children=>Fantasy=>Oz=>bondage (fetish). Raw Sugar SEEMS to be allowing me to make my own catalog that will somehow fit in with all the other lists.

Or maybe I'm completely of the mark. They *definately* need someone to make whatever they do clearer.
Yowanda
post #5  on February 4, 2006 - 10:34 AM PST  
I'm glad to see everyone else is as confused as I was. I thought I was just being lazy and not taking enough time to read the Raw Sugar site and figure it out. Which I guess might be true anyway, but apparently taking the time wouldn't help anyway.

I first noticed this at the beginning of this week, I believe. I thought maybe I missed something in the GC Dispatch. Has GC had anything to say about it and why they've implemented this? Can the Internet really waste anymore of my time?
NLee
post #6  on February 4, 2006 - 1:33 PM PST  
> On February 4, 2006 - 2:40 AM PST SonjaBlue wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> quirky jross3 wrote:
>
> >...RawSugar...<
> > What exactly is it, and how does it benefit Greencine folks?<
>
> Oh, hello, quirky jross3.
>
> I recently noticed that, too. How long have you noticed those tags?
>
> Perhaps this product labeling is some sort of clever marketing endorsed by The Hentai Master and his followers.


Hey, I have nothing to do with it! (But thanks for thinking of me, Blue) I'm as puzzled as you all are about this little brown label that by now has infested every GC title.

Being conservative in nature, I suspect "Raw Sugar" is just a way for some shady comapny to collect data on the web pages I visited. As usual, the question is: What is in it for the owner of this web site? How will I know if this data won't be used to black mail me the next time I decided to run for the governor's office in California?
kohnfused1
post #7  on February 6, 2006 - 9:53 AM PST  
Yes, yes, count me in.

At first, I thought it was an ad for one of those sugar substitute or something.
GreenCineStaff
post #8  on February 6, 2006 - 12:01 PM PST  
Hey all,

All good questions. We'll be offering up a more official explanation of the Raw Sugar search links here and in the newsletter very soon. Thanks for your patience. We think it's pretty cool, but it would certainly help to understand what the heck it was, wouldn't it? More shortly.

Cheers!
Team GreenCine
artifex
post #9  on February 7, 2006 - 3:50 PM PST  
I'd like to see what makes it different from/better than del.icio.us.
artifex
post #10  on February 7, 2006 - 8:38 PM PST  
> On February 7, 2006 - 3:50 PM PST artifex wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I'd like to see what makes it different from/better than del.icio.us.
> ---------------------------------

Oh, here we go:
"Del.icio.us is a useful site but is focused on a very specific application for tagging, which is to find popular links around a specific topic. For example, delicious is great for finding the most popular pages about Linux; however, there are many more applications for tagging and some are much more important then finding popular webpages. We at RawSugar believe that a strong tag-based browse and search capability can revolutionize the web with the following new applications:

1. Create and publish a searchable annotated directory
2. Publish search for your blog, website or your area of interest
3. Learn from your friends' favorites


Our guiding vision is that adding scalable, explicit human knowledge, using tags, will ultimately revolutionize web search!"

I guess... :)
lizzoqops
post #11  on February 8, 2006 - 1:50 AM PST  
It also gets rid of that pesky middleman. When the government wants to know what websites you're going to, they can just check out your list at Raw Sugar. This is especially good for the poor FBI guy who's stuck doing all this crappy research (you know, like when they periodically shut down the X-Files)...he can just pretend that he's working hard checking you out.
Eoliano
post #12  on February 8, 2006 - 8:19 AM PST  
> It also gets rid of that pesky middleman. When the government wants to know what websites you're going to, they can just check out your list at Raw Sugar. This is especially good for the poor FBI guy who's stuck doing all this crappy research (you know, like when they periodically shut down the X-Files)...he can just pretend that he's working hard checking you out.

Well said, lizzo. It's also a distraction. I want information about the DVDs I'm considering renting, not links to supercilious sites that gather information. Shame!
Eoliano
post #13  on February 8, 2006 - 8:39 AM PST  
Ugh! It's a virus and has spread to the main page & what a mess it makes of things, too.
NLee
post #14  on February 8, 2006 - 9:09 AM PST  
On the other hand, the Raw Sugar tag on the front page does show some interesting results (based on those poople who are naive enough to click on a link without knowning what it does, at least):

"Foreign" is #1 with 4473 clicks.
"Drama" is a distant second with 1345 clicks
"Anime" is close behind with 1058 clicks

(I think the "Animation" group got 1118 click just because it includes "Anime")

So when is GC going to show us the results for "Hentai" and "Adult"? Those have to be the two most popular groups for GC.
Yowanda
post #15  on February 8, 2006 - 9:46 AM PST  
I gotta say, I'm not impressed. I clicked on the "Anime" raw sugar link on the front page, and the first 3 links were not even anime - they were animation. (Sorry, I'm a geek and I get picky about those things). And then it crashed my Netscape. So I won't be bothering with that stuff anymore. Hope you're not spending any money on this stuff, GC.

And I agree with NLee - When do we get to see the Adult stuff on there?
kohnfused1
post #16  on February 8, 2006 - 10:00 AM PST  
> On February 8, 2006 - 9:46 AM PST Yowanda wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>
> And I agree with NLee - When do we get to see the Adult stuff on there?
> ---------------------------------

Maybe it's not as "Raw" (or sugary, for that matter) as it claims.
woozy
post #17  on February 8, 2006 - 10:01 AM PST  
> On February 8, 2006 - 8:19 AM PST Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Well said, lizzo. It's also a distraction. I want information about the DVDs I'm considering renting, not links to supercilious sites that gather information. Shame!
> ---------------------------------


> On February 8, 2006 - 8:39 AM PST Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Ugh! It's a virus and has spread to the main page & what a mess it makes of things, too.
> ---------------------------------

A bit harsh, don't you think? I'm a bit underwhelmed and don't care much for personal lists (so I simply don't bother with them) but I know many people do and don't find it at all inappropriate for a movie rental site dedicated to fostering a film-lover community.

Cinenaut
post #18  on February 9, 2006 - 8:10 AM PST  
Tagging certainly works well on sites like Flickr.com (sunsets, scuba, golden gate), but here it seems slightly redundant with the existing lists and reviews. I don't know, maybe if I were searching for some specific type of movie. It might come in handy for compiling lists...
dpowers
post #19  on February 9, 2006 - 4:37 PM PST  
it's a combination of yahoo (giant file cabinet) with google (giant popularity contest). as with google, nobody's officially a paid librarian. but it's more wiki than google because people do the crawling out of their own time pockets. it's potentially more directly democratic than robo-crawlers alone as there are more lurkers than webmasters on the net. a combination of crawl and tag would be best. letting lurkers flag pages for indexing might cause an explosion of depth in web searches.

however there's a greater incentive for profit-motive web sites to encourage their users to tag than for webmasters with just enough time on their hands to do the site alone. further distortion.

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