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Netflix Throttling Article
Topic by: kohnfused1
Posted: February 10, 2006 - 1:39 PM PST
Last Reply: February 20, 2006 - 4:34 AM PST

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author topic: Netflix Throttling Article
kohnfused1
post #1  on February 10, 2006 - 1:39 PM PST  
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060210/ap_on_bi_ge/netflix_throttling

(cut and paste)

Check out the anime plug in the background.
artifex
post #2  on February 10, 2006 - 1:47 PM PST  
> On February 10, 2006 - 1:39 PM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
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> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060210/ap_on_bi_ge/netflix_throttling
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> (cut and paste)
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> Check out the anime plug in the background.
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I used to complain about their throttling -- until I realized that even under heavy throttle, I was getting to watch many more of their movies each month than GC's. Sometimes twice as many.
kohnfused1
post #3  on February 10, 2006 - 2:43 PM PST  
> On February 10, 2006 - 1:47 PM PST artifex wrote:
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>
>
> I used to complain about their throttling -- until I realized that even under heavy throttle, I was getting to watch many more of their movies each month than GC's. Sometimes twice as many.
> ---------------------------------

Funny you mention that, I was seriously debating joining NetF**X. (And closing my GC account.) I know a lot of GC members go this route, but financial responsibility dictates I only use one service. I just figured GC would be the lesser of two evils.
kohnfused1
post #4  on February 10, 2006 - 2:45 PM PST  
> On February 10, 2006 - 2:43 PM PST kohnfused1 wrote:

> I know a lot of GC members go this route,
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I meant, having both services.
underdog
post #5  on February 10, 2006 - 3:02 PM PST  
> On February 10, 2006 - 1:39 PM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060210/ap_on_bi_ge/netflix_throttling
>
> (cut and paste)
>
> Check out the anime plug in the background.
> ---------------------------------

Check out the fact that he's holding GreenCine envelopes, too, in addition to NF. Too bad no one who is not already in the know will recognize those as such.

He doesn't look too happy - wonder if they told him to look dour to show frustration with NF?

C
woozy
post #6  on February 10, 2006 - 5:11 PM PST  
> On February 10, 2006 - 1:39 PM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060210/ap_on_bi_ge/netflix_throttling
>
> (cut and paste)
>
> Check out the anime plug in the background.
> ---------------------------------

Sigh. Netflix has just begun throttling me which pisses me off as I just upped my service. Cripes! never occured to me that any company would consider throttling to be okay if they are public about it!

They really can't call themselves unlimitted rentals if they consider restrictions on people taking them on their word "reasonable".

"cut and paste"?

Is this so hard?



woozy
post #7  on February 10, 2006 - 5:24 PM PST  
"Because everyone pays a flat fee, Netflix makes more money from customers who only watch four or five DVDs per month. Customers who quickly return their movies in order to get more erode the company's profit margin because each DVD sent out and returned costs 78 cents in postage alone."

I guess this can be evaluated as sympathetic to the infrequent renter who are unfairly paying so throttling is, what'd they call it, "fairness algorythm". But I see it as infrequent renters are being ripped off by being over charged. With throttling I see it as double jeopardy. They screw you if you are infrequent by charging you a flat rate and they screw you by throttling if you are frequent.

So what are the top 40 web rentals? I'd be tempted to go with Blockbuster if they don't throttle but I consider Blockbuster to be much, much, much, more evil than netflix. (Personal taste.)
NLee
post #8  on February 10, 2006 - 9:32 PM PST  
When I saw the CNN article earlier this evening, my first reaction was "What took them so long?". People here have been talking about Netflix's throttling practice at least two years ago. Why suddenly it becomes "Breaking News" to CNN?

Then I realised something else strange. Previously whenever I visit CNN, there's almost always a pop-up advertisement for Netflix. But not this time. The ad was from TravelZoo. So could it be that Netflix recently stopped paying CNN for ad space? What a coincidence this is...
NarcTed
post #9  on February 11, 2006 - 1:22 PM PST  
> On February 10, 2006 - 9:32 PM PST NLee wrote:
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>
> Then I realised something else strange. Previously whenever I visit CNN, there's almost always a pop-up advertisement for Netflix. But not this time. The ad was from TravelZoo. So could it be that Netflix recently stopped paying CNN for ad space? What a coincidence this is...
>
> ---------------------------------

Probably not. It's bad journalistic practice to advertise the subject of what is supposed to be an impartial article. Also the advertiser probably wouldn't like the placement of their ad next to a negative article about them. It cancels out the desired affect. If they did show the ad next to the article, I'd imagine Netflix could probably demand to get their advertising fees back or worse. The Netflix ad will probably appear again once the article is off the site.
manuelvillanueva
post #10  on February 12, 2006 - 8:18 AM PST  
I'm Manuel-the one in the news. I just want to say I'm a satisfied GreenCine customer. My experience with GreenCine has been uneventful. It was no mistake I was holding a GreenCine envelope as I wanted to promote a service I like. I write about GreenCine frequently in my Netflix journal.
underdog
post #11  on February 12, 2006 - 10:19 AM PST  
> On February 12, 2006 - 8:18 AM PST manuelvillanueva wrote:
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> I'm Manuel-the one in the news. I just want to say I'm a satisfied GreenCine customer. My experience with GreenCine has been uneventful. It was no mistake I was holding a GreenCine envelope as I wanted to promote a service I like. I write about GreenCine frequently in my Netflix journal.
>
> ---------------------------------


Thanks Manuel! We really appreciated the plug here. :-) Now, next time, if you could just hold up a very large GC banner, then... (kidding.) But seriously, your diligence on this topic never fails to impress. Thanks again.

Craig and GreenCine
underdog
post #12  on February 12, 2006 - 10:20 AM PST  
> On February 11, 2006 - 1:22 PM PST NarcTed wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On February 10, 2006 - 9:32 PM PST NLee wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > Then I realised something else strange. Previously whenever I visit CNN, there's almost always a pop-up advertisement for Netflix. But not this time. The ad was from TravelZoo. So could it be that Netflix recently stopped paying CNN for ad space? What a coincidence this is...
> >
> > ---------------------------------
>
> Probably not. It's bad journalistic practice to advertise the subject of what is supposed to be an impartial article. Also the advertiser probably wouldn't like the placement of their ad next to a negative article about them. It cancels out the desired affect. If they did show the ad next to the article, I'd imagine Netflix could probably demand to get their advertising fees back or worse. The Netflix ad will probably appear again once the article is off the site.
> ---------------------------------

This reminds me - does anyone have an issue with NF's pop-up ads? I believe they are literally #1 in that arena - most pop-up ad space.



woozy
post #13  on February 12, 2006 - 7:27 PM PST  
>
> This reminds me - does anyone have an issue with NF's pop-up ads? I believe they are literally #1 in that arena - most pop-up ad space.
>
Not really. I usually hate the site that displays ads, more than the site that advertises. I respect businesses that don't advertise or don't use a particular type of advertising, but avoid sites that employ pop-up ads. I feel its a bit like grousing about excessive commericials on tv. When my movie or show is interupted by too many ads I don't get mad at the companies advertising, so much as at the network for allocating so much air to to commericials.
artifex
post #14  on February 13, 2006 - 2:24 AM PST  
> On February 12, 2006 - 10:20 AM PST underdog wrote:

> This reminds me - does anyone have an issue with NF's pop-up ads? I believe they are literally #1 in that arena - most pop-up ad space.

My browser is configured not to show popups. Why would someone not do this? :) Also, I use the international version of CNN, not the national one.
Cugat
post #15  on February 14, 2006 - 2:33 PM PST  
On February 13, 2006 - 2:24 AM PST artifex wrote:
> On February 12, 2006 - 10:20 AM PST underdog wrote:
> > This reminds me - does anyone have an issue with NF's pop-up ads? I believe they are literally #1 in that arena - most pop-up ad space.
>
> My browser is configured not to show popups. Why would someone not do this? :) Also, I use the international version of CNN, not the national one.

Popup blocking is not perfect from what I've seen (but it must work pretty good, since I've only seen two or three over the course of 2005, and those were some sort of on-click hooks).

Also, never had a problem on NF's site, because I don't go there. :-)
Boegiboe
post #16  on February 15, 2006 - 1:08 AM PST  
Meh. I was signed up with a video game rental service some months ago and I'm pretty sure they were using that "throttling" thing. In the beginning I was getting my games quickly, but then all of a sudden it'd take them 10-14 days to receive it, and this was before the holiday slowdown. It seemed like their cap was 3 games per cycle on the plan I was on. After that it seemed as though I'd never get them until a good few days into the next month's cycle. This was frustrating for me because I tend to rent games and play them briefly sending them quickly back for return when I decide it's not something I care to spend my time on, but if I find a game I do like I will hang onto it for several weeks.

I am very tempted to sign up with Netflix for a while, though, possibly their one or two rental plan (in addition to Greencine) as this place does not carry some movies/TV shows I've been looking to rent (i.e. Ducktales, Fraggle Rock)
artifex
post #17  on February 15, 2006 - 2:03 AM PST  
> On February 15, 2006 - 1:08 AM PST Boegiboe wrote:

> I am very tempted to sign up with Netflix for a while, though, possibly their one or two rental plan (in addition to Greencine) as this place does not carry some movies/TV shows I've been looking to rent (i.e. Ducktales, Fraggle Rock)

If you don't live near GC, and you live near a NetFlix regional center, you'll probably get more movies per month with NF, even when they throttle. That's how it works for me, anyway. I keep my sub around for the titles that NF doesn't stock, the information Eoliano and others share, and reviews by people like Talltale.

Under no circumstances should you get a BB subscription, though. I restarted them recently when I was about to quit GC, and in the last month or so, they have sent me 4 copies of the wrong movie (I requested the Swedish "Together" and they kept sending me the Chinese one) and 3 2-disc sets each arrived with only one disc. (Titles were The Message, once, and a Beethoven-the-dog-movies-pack, twice) So basically 7 wasted shipments in a month. And they say they can't refund my month, when they bother answering with anything beyond a cut and paste. Those people suck.
Boegiboe
post #18  on February 15, 2006 - 9:23 PM PST  
I do not like Blockbuster's store so I'd never sign up for their net rental service. Their store has ripped me off one too many times and they're not getting another penny out of me.

I get movies in from Greencine pretty quickly, actually. 2-3 days going and 2-3 days coming back. The last two months I've been pretty much sitting on my movies waiting to get out of the holiday slow mail rut, though, the mail just recently turned back to normal. I normally get my new movies in from Greencine about 5 days after I send the old stuff out so I'm actually very happy with the speed at which I'm receiving my movies.

> On February 15, 2006 - 2:03 AM PST artifex wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On February 15, 2006 - 1:08 AM PST Boegiboe wrote:
>
> > I am very tempted to sign up with Netflix for a while, though, possibly their one or two rental plan (in addition to Greencine) as this place does not carry some movies/TV shows I've been looking to rent (i.e. Ducktales, Fraggle Rock)
>
> If you don't live near GC, and you live near a NetFlix regional center, you'll probably get more movies per month with NF, even when they throttle. That's how it works for me, anyway. I keep my sub around for the titles that NF doesn't stock, the information Eoliano and others share, and reviews by people like Talltale.
>
> Under no circumstances should you get a BB subscription, though. I restarted them recently when I was about to quit GC, and in the last month or so, they have sent me 4 copies of the wrong movie (I requested the Swedish "Together" and they kept sending me the Chinese one) and 3 2-disc sets each arrived with only one disc. (Titles were The Message, once, and a Beethoven-the-dog-movies-pack, twice) So basically 7 wasted shipments in a month. And they say they can't refund my month, when they bother answering with anything beyond a cut and paste. Those people suck.
> ---------------------------------

radboy
post #19  on February 16, 2006 - 1:47 PM PST  

I have tried Netflix, Blockbuster and Greencine. The worst of the bunch is indeed Blockbuster - their customer serivce is also terrible. I wouldn't recommend Blockbuster to my worst enemy.

With netflix after a while I began to notice huge discrepencies in the mail service from them - like the more I ordered the longer it took and at the time I realized what they were doing so I stopped them altogether. However, netflix does have an extensive back stock and carries far more "popular" items than greencine. However, the fact that netflix continues to advertise "unlimited rentals" is not only misleading I believe it is against FTC regulations and laws. They recently have been sued on these grounds and the suit was successful - I am surprised despite this lawsuit that netflix still resorts to "throtlling" which only tells me what a disreputable company they really are.

My mail service with greencine is superlative: there are been two short delays but that was directly attributable to the postal delivery. The only problem I have had with greencine is that one movie which has been #1 on my queue since the day I joined, 35 days ago - I think they have one copy of "Bishonen" but are using it to service the whole western hemisphere. I wrote to customer "service" about this asking when they thought I might get it but I have yet to get a reply.

The main selling point of greencine though is that it does carry more of the independent and hard-to-find art films than either netflix or Blockbuster. They really can't be beat. The main negative of greencine is that they give short shrift and often don't carry "popular" movies and TV series ("ER") and some tv series have discs and episodes missing ("Space 199 - set six) - but overall I can live with this as the main reason I joined greencine was their emphasis on independent and art flims and hard to find discs. Greencine, despite its few negatives, is the best of the three rental companies.

> On February 15, 2006 - 2:03 AM PST artifex wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On February 15, 2006 - 1:08 AM PST Boegiboe wrote:
>
> > I am very tempted to sign up with Netflix for a while, though, possibly their one or two rental plan (in addition to Greencine) as this place does not carry some movies/TV shows I've been looking to rent (i.e. Ducktales, Fraggle Rock)
>
> If you don't live near GC, and you live near a NetFlix regional center, you'll probably get more movies per month with NF, even when they throttle. That's how it works for me, anyway. I keep my sub around for the titles that NF doesn't stock, the information Eoliano and others share, and reviews by people like Talltale.
>
> Under no circumstances should you get a BB subscription, though. I restarted them recently when I was about to quit GC, and in the last month or so, they have sent me 4 copies of the wrong movie (I requested the Swedish "Together" and they kept sending me the Chinese one) and 3 2-disc sets each arrived with only one disc. (Titles were The Message, once, and a Beethoven-the-dog-movies-pack, twice) So basically 7 wasted shipments in a month. And they say they can't refund my month, when they bother answering with anything beyond a cut and paste. Those people suck.
> ---------------------------------

underdog
post #20  on February 16, 2006 - 3:17 PM PST  
Thanks for the feedback all, and thanks especially to Radboy, in what seems like a very fair and honest assessment of us. We just always appreciate people being fair. And as for Bishonen, the disc is indeed rare and elusive, like some kind of endangered lemur, but we are looking into trying to acquire another copy or 2. It appears we had plenty more and they all broke or disappeared. The problem is that one is an all-region title that is not available in the States except as an import, which makes tracking it down at a reasonable cost near impossible. So... be patient with that one, as you already have been, but we'll keep you posted!

Best,
Craig of GreenCine
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