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World Cup Chat
Topic by: underdog
Posted: June 12, 2006 - 11:56 AM PDT
Last Reply: July 15, 2006 - 6:26 PM PDT

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author topic: World Cup Chat
underdog
post #1  on June 12, 2006 - 11:56 AM PDT  
Have at it - chat up the World Cup here. Your favorite teams/countries, your picks to win, best players so far, complain about the refs, etc.

Note: For those of you TiVo-ing games in the morning to watch later, this is a *SPOILER ALERT* - results will be discussed here so wait til you've watched or seen the result.

Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-alllllllllllllllllllllll.

underdog
post #2  on June 12, 2006 - 11:59 AM PDT  
My picks for the two best teams in the tournament still stands at the Czechs and Brazilians (who play tomorrow) - esp. if Jan Koller isn't too badly hurt. The Dutch looked pretty solid, too. Argentina will be tough (I liked how the Ivory Coast "elephants" came back in that one). England was one of my other top picks though they looked pretty flat in that game. Had they been playing the Czechs rather than Paraguay, it might have been a different result - though credit England's defense, which looked very solid. And they may need Rooney to come back to wake up the offense.

The U.S. could still sneak in but will have to beat Italy and Ghana, no easy task at all. They looked flat today, except for a few good chances, and a couple of good shots that were very close. But they didn't show much energy on offense, and made a couple of critical errors on defense. Still, they can come back.

A fun tourney so far!
jross3
post #3  on June 12, 2006 - 12:52 PM PDT  
I got up (a little) early to catch the US game today. I fell asleap during the middle (I missed a bit of sleep last night...) and dreamed that I was awake and watching the game. We had tied them 4-4 in my dream...
I woke up later and didn't realize I had been dreaming and was really disappointed to see us down 3-0.

It's kind of hard to make sense of the hype, though. I kept hearing that we have such a great team, then I keep hearing that we're "underdogs". What does it all mean? We have a great team, but all the other teams are made of superheros, steroid junkies, and the guys from Shaolin Soccer? I heard that our odds for winning the cup are as bad as 80-1. (I know it's hard and our odds wouldn't be that good in any case, but 80-1? I might as well bet $10 on that).
underdog
post #4  on June 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM PDT  
> On June 12, 2006 - 12:52 PM PDT jross3 wrote:
> ---------------------------------

I wish I'd caught your dream instead of the real telecast!

>
> It's kind of hard to make sense of the hype, though. I kept hearing that we have such a great team, then I keep hearing that we're "underdogs". What does it all mean? We have a great team, but all the other teams are made of superheros, steroid junkies, and the guys from Shaolin Soccer? I heard that our odds for winning the cup are as bad as 80-1. (I know it's hard and our odds wouldn't be that good in any case, but 80-1? I might as well bet $10 on that).
> ---------------------------------

I think the reason we're underdogs this year is purely based on the fact we got put in an extremely tough bracket. The Czechs are great, then you have Italy, and Ghana's pretty good, too. No easy game among them. I was disappointed today, not surprised that we lost but expected a closer game. The US is also underdogs (woof!) because in the minds of many in the rest of the world we haven't yet proven ourselves on the soccer fields of Europe. Last time we did amazingly well and made to quarterfinals (and almost beat Germany, in a game most Germans admit the US outplayed them) but that was in Asia. It's like we're starting over.

But mostly the odds are about the draw, and the Americans got a tough one.
underdog
post #5  on June 12, 2006 - 1:52 PM PDT  
Btw, here's a quote from the Czech goalkeeper after today's game (his name is amusingly enough, Cech, pronounced "Czech"):

Petr CECH (CZE)
I think we played a pretty good game today and though the result may have made it look like an easy game, it was very difficult. The US were very well organised and made things difficult for us. (Claudio) Reyna could have equalised but the shot came off the post and luckily it didn't hit me in the back and go in. Really, in the end, we scored three great goals and did enough to earn the win.
hamano
post #6  on June 12, 2006 - 2:03 PM PDT  
> On June 12, 2006 - 11:56 AM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-alllllllllllllllllllllll.

Didn't that guy die recently?
jross3
post #7  on June 12, 2006 - 2:07 PM PDT  
> On June 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> But mostly the odds are about the draw, and the Americans got a tough one.
> ---------------------------------

yeah; one of the commentators on ESPN or ABC called Group E "the group of death". At the time I felt honored as an American to be part of such a notorious group, but I didn't realize then that it was our death that was being predicted.
I bet we beat the odds, though; we'll at least make it through the group preliminaries.

Today's Czech defense was tough though! I'm a bit of a newbie to soccer, but I could see that it was no small deal to get through them. They definately earned their win. (I just wish they hadn't, lol)
hamano
post #8  on June 12, 2006 - 2:14 PM PDT  
> On June 12, 2006 - 2:03 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On June 12, 2006 - 11:56 AM PDT underdog wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-alllllllllllllllllllllll.
>
> Didn't that guy die recently?
> ---------------------------------

Oh, sorry Mr. Andres Cantor... you're still alive! Well, that's about the extent of my interest and knowledge as far as football goes...
underdog
post #9  on June 12, 2006 - 2:16 PM PDT  
> On June 12, 2006 - 2:14 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On June 12, 2006 - 2:03 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > > On June 12, 2006 - 11:56 AM PDT underdog wrote:
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-alllllllllllllllllllllll.
> >
> > Didn't that guy die recently?
> > ---------------------------------
>
> Oh, sorry Mr. Andres Cantor... you're still alive! Well, that's about the extent of my interest and knowledge as far as football goes...
> ---------------------------------


Yeah, I was going to say, if he was dead then I heard his voice from beyond the grave on Sunday morning, which would be creepy, and impressive!

The American announcers this time around have been better than last time, and ESPN2 had two very capable Brits announcing a game yesterday. But I do like hearing the Spanish announcer's excitement.
jross3
post #10  on June 12, 2006 - 2:50 PM PDT  
> On June 12, 2006 - 2:16 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> The American announcers this time around have been better than last time, and ESPN2 had two very capable Brits announcing a game yesterday. But I do like hearing the Spanish announcer's excitement.
> ---------------------------------

Yeah, when I was watching the Ivory Coast game on Sat. ESPN's sound kept cutting out for me - so I switched over to Univision. I didn't understand all the words, but I could definately tell that it was exciting. lol

On the other end of excitment, I wonder who the buddhists are (secretly) rooting for
I remember as much as a month ago there were strikes, work stopages, riots, and assassination attempts by European workers in order to get time off or to get permission to watch the Cup at work. I suppose the monks staged a sit-in?
jross3
post #11  on June 12, 2006 - 2:55 PM PDT  
> On June 12, 2006 - 2:50 PM PDT jross3 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I wonder who the buddhists are (secretly) rooting for

that link didn't work?
let's try again.
if that still doesn't work, you should be able to click on the title "You can Watch it, but you can't Like It" on the side bar to get to the article.
Eoliano
post #12  on June 12, 2006 - 3:10 PM PDT  
Here is today's scoreboard courtesy of SI.

AUSTRALIA 3 - JAPAN 1

UNITED STATES 0 - CZECH REPUBLIC 3

ITALY 2 - GHANA 0
underdog
post #13  on June 12, 2006 - 3:37 PM PDT  
> On June 12, 2006 - 3:10 PM PDT Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Here is today's scoreboard courtesy of SI.
>
> AUSTRALIA 3 - JAPAN 1
>
> UNITED STATES 0 - CZECH REPUBLIC 3
>
> ITALY 2 - GHANA 0
> ---------------------------------


Italy's top player F Totti apparently re-injured his leg in the game, though. They're not sure if he can play against the US (which would be a break for the States, which obviously need to win or at the very least, tie, to have any chance to stay alive). It's good the Aussies won because the Japan goal probably shouldn't have counted...

jross3
post #14  on June 12, 2006 - 4:36 PM PDT  
> On June 12, 2006 - 2:55 PM PDT jross3 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On June 12, 2006 - 2:50 PM PDT jross3 wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I wonder who the buddhists are (secretly) rooting for
>
> that link didn't work?
> let's try again.
> if that still doesn't work, you should be able to click on the title "You can Watch it, but you can't Like It" on the side bar to get to the article.
> ---------------------------------

can't get to it at all anymore.
here's a link to the same story on another site. It's not as much fun to read, though.

here's a quote from SI
MONKS CAN WATCH, TOO: The chief of Cambodia's Buddhist monks is cutting his charges some slack for the duration of the World Cup: They may watch the matches on television, but no cheering or getting excited. And absolutely no betting.

The country's holy men -- more than 90 percent of Cambodia's 13 million people are Buddhist -- normally aren't supposed to watch television, movies or artistic displays. According to the strictest tenets of Buddhism, they should abstain from pleasurable activity. Gambling is a major no-no.

But monks get as excited as anyone else at the chance to watch soccer's top stars, and Supreme Patriarch Non Ngeth is willing to make allowances for such a special occasion.

"The monks can watch the games on TV but they may not bet on the games," Non Ngeth told The Associated Press. "So far, I have received some complaints that some monks are betting during this World Cup tournament."

He also says he urged the country's monks, if they do watch the matches, not to scream or laugh.

"Cheering or screaming while watching TV are acts appropriate for children, monks may not act like that," he said.
hamano
post #15  on June 12, 2006 - 4:47 PM PDT  
A football star from somewhere in Pennsylvania flew off his motorcycle in a collision and smashed his head on the windshield of the car he hit. I wonder what happened to him after that... he wasn't wearing a helmet apparently because PA doesn't have helmet laws.
underdog
post #16  on June 12, 2006 - 4:53 PM PDT  
> On June 12, 2006 - 4:47 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> A football star from somewhere in Pennsylvania flew off his motorcycle in a collision and smashed his head on the windshield of the car he hit. I wonder what happened to him after that... he wasn't wearing a helmet apparently because PA doesn't have helmet laws.
> ---------------------------------


That's the Steelers star QB and Super Bowl (of American football) hero Ben Roethlisberger. The fact that he wasn't wearing a helmet just boggles my mind. He seemed like such a nice role model... Hope he recovers.

Eoliano
post #17  on June 12, 2006 - 4:57 PM PDT  
> Italy's top player F Totti apparently re-injured his leg in the game, though. They're not sure if he can play against the US (which would be a break for the States, which obviously need to win or at the very least, tie, to have any chance to stay alive).

Totti didn't seem too concerned.

"I'm OK, it's only a bruise under the knee. I was scared because I was in a lot of pain ... I'm happy with how I played tonight. The more I play, the better my condition gets."

Forza Italia!

In other news:

Alberto still at 70 mph ^_^
hamano
post #18  on June 12, 2006 - 8:06 PM PDT  
> On June 12, 2006 - 4:53 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> That's the Steelers star QB and Super Bowl (of American football) hero Ben Roethlisberger. The fact that he wasn't wearing a helmet just boggles my mind.

Oh, that kind of football... I guess if you HAVE to wear a helmet for work, you don't feel like wearing one during leisure time.

Go go Alberto! Become a hurricane! You know you want to.
Ursus
post #19  on June 12, 2006 - 8:39 PM PDT  
It does my heart good to see others excited about soccer and the World Cup, besides the international students and faculty who are goin' ape-shit here.

Poor Japan... to loose to Australian benchwarmers in the last 10 min of play (from the buzz about the dept.). Too bad for them, but good for Australia.

As for why the US WAS ranked 5th, but a longshot to win at 1:250... or so I've been told by the gambling establishments ;). In my mind it's all about drumming up excitment for Soccer in the US, the only (to my knowledge) major nation whose citizens don't go weak in the knees or insane/suicidal and or fantatical about soccer LIKE EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH! That would be my hunch anyway; as we are now out of the running, the point is now moot.

But, boy-howdy! I dooo love me some soccer! Those cats are in mind-blowingly good shape.
Eoliano
post #20  on June 12, 2006 - 9:10 PM PDT  
Poor Japan, indeed, plus, they have yet to play Croatia and Brazil, while the USA faces the Italians... am looking forward to that game!
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