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War, War and...Cyber War?
Topic by: Battie
Posted: July 12, 2006 - 3:37 PM PDT
Last Reply: July 14, 2006 - 10:26 PM PDT

author topic: War, War and...Cyber War?
Battie
post #1  on July 12, 2006 - 3:37 PM PDT  
So we're battling insurgents in Afghanistan and Iraq, Israel has pretty much gone to war with Lebanon and Palestine (forgive me if I'm confused, but isn't Lebanon controlled by Syria?), Bush blames Syria and Iran for the new Israel/Arab conflicts, and apparently, "East Asian" hackers have attacked the state department.

Weee! When we pullin' out the nukes?

(On another thought, why have a number of states enacted laws denying benefits to illegal aliens while my own state...has not? WE HAVE A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY! Oh, and did I miss something? Jon Stewart said something N. Korea firing missiles at Hawaii!?)

My head hurts. I'mma go read Sexual Personae. :(
hamano
post #2  on July 12, 2006 - 6:31 PM PDT  
> Weee! When we pullin' out the nukes?

When Bush decides to get medieval on North Korea's a**

I don't believe all his talk about letting diplomacy work on N. Korea. Has Condy Rice done A THING diplomatic to reduce the possibility of war? NOPE... Iran and N. Korea are next.
Cinenaut
post #3  on July 13, 2006 - 3:44 PM PDT  
All that new missle-firing and invading over there has driven the price of a barrel of oil way way up.
Battie
post #4  on July 13, 2006 - 4:43 PM PDT  
> On July 13, 2006 - 3:44 PM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> All that new missle-firing and invading over there has driven the price of a barrel of oil way way up.
> ---------------------------------

Crap. I'm betting the investors are just SCREAMING with joy. It just ticks me off that American oil is rising and falling with the market. We should be able to get oil from our country cheaper. But nooo. Idiot Clinton gave the oil companies a sweet deal on the right to drill on publicly-owned land (the Gulf oil rigs) and now they sell it back to the public at a very, very nice profit.

Oh well. Maybe if Israel and the lot blow each other up with nukes, not only will Americans be forced to conserve and find new energy sources, we'll be rid of a headache AND see some oil corps eventually come crashing down.

My new motto: always look on the bright side - it might be very satisfying.
Cinenaut
post #5  on July 13, 2006 - 4:59 PM PDT  
Right, necessity is the mother of invention.

Where's that guy who says he can make cars run on water? Get a move on, buster!

And furthermore, who killed the electric car?
hamano
post #6  on July 13, 2006 - 5:08 PM PDT  
> On July 13, 2006 - 4:59 PM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> And furthermore, who killed the electric car?

Whaddya mean? Thanks to President Bush, the electric car is alive and well...

Another picture.

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Battie
post #7  on July 13, 2006 - 5:11 PM PDT  
But seriously, is anyone else worried about this Middle East thing with Israel? Barring the oil business, I mean. Israel and Lebanon have fired rockets at each other...and Iran says they'll attack Israel if Israel attacks Syria. *sigh* Cafferty and Blitzer joked about World War III on CNN. I'm thinking it actually WON'T go that far, but at this point, with so many tensions and military presence and weapons in the region, including U.S. presence a little further way (in Iraq), it wouldn't take much for an outside group to ignite the Israeli/Arab/American conflict.

IMO, even if the outside world can manage to intervene coherently (and considering the conflict in the U.N., mostly thanks to the U.S., I doubt it), it won't help much.
Battie
post #8  on July 13, 2006 - 5:15 PM PDT  
> On July 13, 2006 - 4:59 PM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Right, necessity is the mother of invention.
>
> Where's that guy who says he can make cars run on water? Get a move on, buster!
>
> And furthermore, who killed the electric car?
>
> ---------------------------------

LOL! That movie is on my list of things to see.

Have you seen The Future of Food? Wooowee, that'll give you the creeps. >_<
Cinenaut
post #9  on July 13, 2006 - 7:14 PM PDT  
> On July 13, 2006 - 5:11 PM PDT Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> But seriously, is anyone else worried about this Middle East thing with Israel?
[SNIP]
> ---------------------------------

Yes, and the worry leads to joking. One seriously unfunny thing about it is that many evangelical Christians believe that a nice big war in the Middle East will lead to them not being left behind real soon... and the President is an evangelical Christian.

Another unfunny thing about it is that a lot of TV news seems to still be dominated by celebrities and high-profile murder cases rather than an analysis of the situation over there.

Battie
post #10  on July 13, 2006 - 9:05 PM PDT  
> On July 13, 2006 - 7:14 PM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Yes, and the worry leads to joking. One seriously unfunny thing about it is that many evangelical Christians believe that a nice big war in the Middle East will lead to them not being left behind real soon... and the President is an evangelical Christian.
>

Good point. :P I just needed confirmation that I wasn't the only "normal" (non-governmental or news organization) person worried.

I dunno...I think some evangelicals recognize the frequency of war in the Middle East and would rather not have any way since most of them aren't "the real thing." Bush's possible motivations for wanting war, if he does, would more likely be rooted in other causes. Oil, an opportunity to get rid of opponents in the Middle East once and for all, keeping Americans' minds away from other issues (such as the horrible job some Republicans are doing, etc)...And so on.

> Another unfunny thing about it is that a lot of TV news seems to still be dominated by celebrities and high-profile murder cases rather than an analysis of the situation over there.
> ---------------------------------

LoL! I don't watch my local news, so I stopped noticing. When I do watch news, it's CNN. And even then, it's usually Lou Dobbs, though sometimes it's Blitzer and Cafferty.
Cinenaut
post #11  on July 14, 2006 - 7:51 AM PDT  
Well, this morning Good Morning America led with this story and after reporting on various other headlines, they had follow-up analysis, so never mind!

I hope Syria doesn't get involved.



Battie
post #12  on July 14, 2006 - 9:21 AM PDT  
> On July 14, 2006 - 7:51 AM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Well, this morning Good Morning America led with this story and after reporting on various other headlines, they had follow-up analysis, so never mind!
>
> I hope Syria doesn't get involved.
> ---------------------------------

...Good Morning America has news? I thought their anchors just said jolly things and went out to speak with little people...
Cinenaut
post #13  on July 14, 2006 - 9:30 AM PDT  
> On July 14, 2006 - 9:21 AM PDT Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> ...Good Morning America has news? I thought their anchors just said jolly things and went out to speak with little people...
> ---------------------------------

Surprise! Sometimes they take time out from the infotainment for actual news.

artifex
post #14  on July 14, 2006 - 2:44 PM PDT  
> On July 13, 2006 - 7:14 PM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> Another unfunny thing about it is that a lot of TV news seems to still be dominated by celebrities and high-profile murder cases rather than an analysis of the situation over there.

Another unfunny thing is that when Israel fires upon Beirut neighborhoods, it's called targeting Hamas (or Hezbollah, I forget which is which). Blowing up airports is explained the same way. Blowing up power stations is preventing terrorism. And I forget how they justified attacking a highway loaded with fleeing tourists.

"Hamas" and "terrorism" are cover words for... what? Don't forget that Israel is still occupying land it took from Jordan in violation of the U.N.
Cinenaut
post #15  on July 14, 2006 - 2:56 PM PDT  
It's Hezbollah in this case (Lebanon).
Battie
post #16  on July 14, 2006 - 8:24 PM PDT  
> On July 14, 2006 - 2:44 PM PDT artifex wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Another unfunny thing is that when Israel fires upon Beirut neighborhoods, it's called targeting Hamas (or Hezbollah, I forget which is which). Blowing up airports is explained the same way. Blowing up power stations is preventing terrorism. And I forget how they justified attacking a highway loaded with fleeing tourists.
>
> "Hamas" and "terrorism" are cover words for... what? Don't forget that Israel is still occupying land it took from Jordan in violation of the U.N.
> ---------------------------------

Hamas is in Syria and Palestine and Hezbollah is in Lebanon.

Yeah, I'll be honest...I don't really like Israel. I also don't like the fact that news organizations, including CNN, treat the actions of everyone BUT Israel as negative, but when it comes to Israel killing civilians in bombings...It's like it's nothing. They give more negativity to civilian casualties in Iraq than Lebanon! No wonder Arabs hate Americans. I'd hate us, too.

However, despite the fact that I'd love to see Israel harshly punished for their current actions (and still don't think they have a valid claim on the land they occupy--though, I think Jordan treatied with them, so I could be wrong about that), I wouldn't want to see the entire nation invaded/bombed by ither countries. The bitch of war is that, even if the government and some individuals "deserve" killin', plenty of people not involved in the decisions and combat will die, too.

I think any time a religious group sets up its own country, there will be conflict. Hell, they make themselves targets simply by being condensed in one area. Plus, when you've got one religious group or sect dominating a country, they begin making decisions in the military and government with little to no opposition. And often those decisions are partially, if not totally, based on religious doctrine (and we all know how screwy and mis-interpretted that can be) as well as a sense of justification. Ie, because you've attacked us and we're God's children and you're all merely infidels, it doesn't matter if a few innocents die when we retaliate. There's no sense of guilt or responsibility because people outside your group DON'T MATTER.

Mind you, not saying this is how all Israelis feel, but from what I've seen, it seems to be a pretty strong inclination.

"About 25,000 Americans are in Lebanon." And Bush isn't telling Israel to cease firing on Lebanon?!

The pity of it is, I think some people and individuals won't speak against Israel because it's almost always labelled as anti-Semantic.

On the other hand, if they manage to take out Hezbollah, then at least it'll be a blow to militant groups in the region. Sadly, it'll just create a classic backlash, and according to "experts" it's already opening old wounds in the Arab world.
Battie
post #17  on July 14, 2006 - 8:27 PM PDT  
Mind you, it's not just Israel who proves the "you don't matter" thing...
Battie
post #18  on July 14, 2006 - 10:25 PM PDT  
Just finished watching this, and I gotta say...Crap. It makes a very good case for why oil was the biggest factor in going to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, largely by contrasting what the US military is doing and is not doing in both countries and the region. It's also giving me the creeps about this Israel/Lebanon/Iran/Syria thing. Think of it. Bush isn't trying to end the conflict. Chances are, if Israel doesn't stop bombing Lebanon, Syria and Iran will become involved, giving Bush a valid excuse to attack. I'm guessing the whole Iran-nuclear thing wasn't enough. But let's just say he attacks Syria and Iran, along with Israel. That'd give the U.S. occupation of most of the world's oil.

Paranoia is kind of irritating.

Anyway, for some reason, I didn't think of the fact that plastics are made from oil. Besides the fact that oil ships most of our good and food from other countries, it also makes things that have become absolutely vital to our economy and our culture. You'd think this would be reason for the federal government to bring about national plan for recycling all plastics and then to enforce it (just like they enforce no dumping), but apparently not. Instead we give money to oil companies to look for more oil and, by and large, ignore the benefits new energy developments (to which they pay lip service) and recycling would have on oil consumption. It wouldn't, by any means, stop consumption, but it would reduce it to an extent. Even if that was only a 10% drop, that's a lot of barrels of oil!

And it's not just Bush and Co. who are responisble...it's all the elected representatives!

*slams head on table* After The Corporation, The Future of Food and now this...I think I'm going to wrangle myself into actually getting involved in politics more than just voting. *sob* I'm going to have to sell my soul to the Devil. :(
Battie
post #19  on July 14, 2006 - 10:26 PM PDT  
> On July 14, 2006 - 10:25 PM PDT Battie wrote:
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> Just finished watching this
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Oops.

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