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Pirate Bay Hypocrisy
Topic by: Battie
Posted: April 17, 2009 - 6:34 PM PDT
Last Reply: April 24, 2009 - 7:00 AM PDT

author topic: Pirate Bay Hypocrisy
Battie
post #1  on April 17, 2009 - 6:34 PM PDT  
Let's face it, the Pirate Bay guys knew what they were going was wrong. Perhaps even illegal, depending on the interpretation of law. What gets me is that they were essentially found guilty of aiding piracy. They supplied the means to pirate copyrighted material and never tried to self-police (which given the amount of torrents uploaded in a single day, is near impossible - but they didn't even try). So, yeah. They probably deserved a guilty verdict.

Yet, if someone sells a gun that is later used in a violent crime that leaves someone wounded or dead, there's not even a hint of "maybe we should prosecute." Not even if it was likely easy to find out that the buyer had violent tendencies.

The hypocrisy is that Western society is more comfortable now with things that cost people their lives than they are with things that *potentially* cost corporations money. It's the same for just about everything now.

A few weeks ago, my headlights went out after dark. I pulled into a gas station to call my grandmother to pick me up (my cell phone was dead). I asked the cashier if I could leave my car till morning. His reply, "I don't know. My manager will be here in the morning and she'll ask what the car is doing there. She might have it towed." It's not that his manager wouldn't have been understanding, it's that most corporations hand down certain instructions. If there's even a chance that the gas station might've had a 'problem' occur involving someone's car, then they pretty much demand that preventative measures be taken.

We've become a society where corporate policy isn't just affecting our jobs, our wages, what we buy...but also how we treat one another. It's stacking our government, our legal system and our society against what used to be considered human decency.

If the Pirate Bay guys were treated the same as scummy gun sellers, or 'oops, I didn't know it would tank my company's stock' traders and bankers, I wouldn't probably wouldn't raise an eyebrow. But it stinks of hypocrisy.

What frustrates me is that the very people who are most likely to want a return of human decency are the very people who keep voting in the fools who degrade it.
Vanamonde
post #2  on April 19, 2009 - 12:17 PM PDT  
> On April 17, 2009 - 6:34 PM PDT Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Let's face it, the Pirate Bay guys knew what they were going was wrong.
>

I disagree. A tracker is like a link. It is not copyrighted material. I support the freedom to link to anything and I would include trackers as a subset of links. I do not think they did anything wrong.

> We've become a society where corporate policy isn't just affecting our jobs, our wages, what we buy...but also how we treat one another. It's stacking our government, our legal system and our society against what used to be considered human decency.
> ...What frustrates me is that the very people who are most likely to want a return of human decency
>

When was this golden era of which you speak? Corporation certainly have been the rulers of the United States during the last 100 years or more. And through the history of our species, decent humans have been a minority.

While I would join you in lamenting hypocrisy and the lack of decency, I do disagree there ever was a time that it was the normal. Do not trust the common histories, promoted by those with an agenda.

And I support freedom for the Pirate Bay 4!

Battie
post #3  on April 21, 2009 - 2:39 AM PDT  
> On April 19, 2009 - 12:17 PM PDT Vanamonde wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> When was this golden era of which you speak? Corporation certainly have been the rulers of the United States during the last 100 years or more. And through the history of our species, decent humans have been a minority.
>
> While I would join you in lamenting hypocrisy and the lack of decency, I do disagree there ever was a time that it was the normal. Do not trust the common histories, promoted by those with an agenda.
>
> And I support freedom for the Pirate Bay 4!
>
>
> ---------------------------------

Well, there was never total decency. But there was a short period of time when it was more common. It shows through what I recall of my childhood, and how my grandmother tried to bring me up.

It's like comparing how the average person today speaks to say, a waiter, with how they did it 20 years ago. Thought, tbh, that had as much to do with not making a scene. *shrugs* I think decency was tied closely to community. If you were an ass, there used to be a pretty good chance it'd come back and bite you on the ass. Corporate policies have just hastened it a bit.
Battie
post #4  on April 21, 2009 - 2:40 AM PDT  
Thank god I'm going for mechanical engineering. I won't actually *have* to pay attention to government/social hypocrisy unless I want to.
weezy
post #5  on April 23, 2009 - 10:25 AM PDT  
> On April 17, 2009 - 6:34 PM PDT Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> A few weeks ago, my headlights went out after dark. I pulled into a gas station to call my grandmother to pick me up (my cell phone was dead). I asked the cashier if I could leave my car till morning. His reply, "I don't know. My manager will be here in the morning and she'll ask what the car is doing there. She might have it towed." It's not that his manager wouldn't have been understanding, it's that most corporations hand down certain instructions. If there's even a chance that the gas station might've had a 'problem' occur involving someone's car, then they pretty much demand that preventative measures be taken.
>

This story brought to mind a plot line in the film Wendy and Lucy, and your nostalgia for common decency is illuminated by a particular character in the film who gives Wendy a hand when "the man" does not. I highly recommend you queue it up if you haven't seen it because it tackles a lot of the issues you bring up.

You bring up some excellent points here. I was miffed earlier this week when I heard about the kid who is getting sued something like $15K for downloading a measly 10 or so songs!

For me, the downloading argument becomes more nuanced depending on the content. Music execs should have known better and evolved, but what about all the adult tube sites that are affecting adult web content sites and performers?

In any case, I'm optimistic the Obama admin will tackle some of these blatant forms of corporate hypocrisy.
Vanamonde
post #6  on April 24, 2009 - 7:00 AM PDT  
> On April 23, 2009 - 10:25 AM PDT weezy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> In any case, I'm optimistic the Obama admin will tackle some of these blatant forms of corporate hypocrisy.
> ---------------------------------

I'm afraid he will just declare it over and preach about reconcilation and forgiveness and why we need to move on and forget about it as it continues. And then secretly loan the hypcritters another trillion.

Okay, yeah, I'm cynical and bitter. I think we have been had. I believe this fantasy of the good old days is mostly proproganda, a mythology we learned in our childhood.

Still, I am reminded of one of the great, great films of our time and so relevant today, Joel Schumacher's "Fallen Down".

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