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Haute Tension?
Topic by: vexkitten
Posted: June 3, 2005 - 11:54 PM PDT
Last Reply: October 1, 2005 - 7:00 PM PDT

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author topic: Haute Tension?
vexkitten
post #1  on June 3, 2005 - 11:54 PM PDT  
Why isn't this available on Greencine? A cut, dubbed version of this is about to be released Stateside, but the film is two years old. I know there's an Hong Kong version - or is it the wrong region for American players?
Eoliano
post #2  on June 4, 2005 - 7:03 AM PDT  
> Why isn't this available on Greencine? A cut, dubbed version of this is about to be released Stateside, but the film is two years old. I know there's an Hong Kong version - or is it the wrong region for American players?

It looks like HKFlix has an all-region Korean 2-disc set but it's currently backordered. My suggestion would be to send an email to dvdrequest@greencine.com and they might consider picking up a copy or two...
vexkitten
post #3  on June 4, 2005 - 11:28 AM PDT  
Thanks! I'll do that.
I'm glad I didn't get conned into going to see the chopped-up dubbed version. Is Lion's Gate jumping the shark?
DLeonard
post #4  on June 4, 2005 - 11:50 AM PDT  
My local video store just got a region free import of the uncut French language version.

I've heard good and bad, anyone seen it?
Battie
post #5  on June 4, 2005 - 5:12 PM PDT  
> On June 4, 2005 - 11:50 AM PDT DLeonard wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> My local video store just got a region free import of the uncut French language version.
>
> I've heard good and bad, anyone seen it?
> ---------------------------------

All I've heard is that the version being released here is...DUBBED. *wrinkles nose* I stopped watching dubbed films (though not animes) when I was 15. Hmph.
Eoliano
post #6  on June 4, 2005 - 6:49 PM PDT  
Frankly, I prefer haute cuisine...
vexkitten
post #7  on June 5, 2005 - 12:08 AM PDT  
> On June 4, 2005 - 6:49 PM PDT Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Frankly, I prefer haute cuisine...
> ---------------------------------

But probably not while you're watching this movie (carpaccio, anyone?)

DLeonard, where is your local video store? Across the Bay, I'd suppose. (I'll bet Le Video has it, though.)

I have mixed feelings about wanting to see the most extreme stuff just to have experienced it. Haven't put myself through Irreversible yet, for instance. Kichiku dai Enkai is in my queue. I may need a Thin Man installment or an Ozu film to cleanse my palate after those.

But if I am going to watch something like that, I don't want a bowdlerized version. It's like putting ice cubes in single-malt scotch.
Eoliano
post #8  on June 5, 2005 - 7:29 AM PDT  
> > Frankly, I prefer haute cuisine...

> But probably not while you're watching this movie (carpaccio, anyone?)

Exactly my point, I won't be watching that movie... and make my carpaccio with rucola and shaved parmigiano drizzled with extra virgin olive oil & fresh lemon juice, per favore...

> I have mixed feelings about wanting to see the most extreme stuff just to have experienced it. Haven't put myself through Irreversible yet, for instance. Kichiku dai Enkai is in my queue. I may need a Thin Man installment or an Ozu film to cleanse my palate after those.

If that's your attitude then why bother putting yourself through Irreversible, stick with Ozu instead, you'll feel much better afterwards.
Battie
post #9  on June 5, 2005 - 3:25 PM PDT  
> On June 5, 2005 - 7:29 AM PDT Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> If that's your attitude then why bother putting yourself through Irreversible, stick with Ozu instead, you'll feel much better afterwards.
> ---------------------------------

I'd avoid Irreversible, were I you. It put me off sex for months. >_> A really awful movie. And it's probably worse for guys, seeing as it opens on two characters' trip into an extreme gay bar. I still can't scrub the image of a guy held up in the air by chains with his fingers...somewhere...begging to be umm..

Well, I'm sure you can figure it out with all my vague language. But it was just grossss.
vexkitten
post #10  on June 5, 2005 - 5:46 PM PDT  

>
> If that's your attitude then why bother putting yourself through Irreversible, stick with Ozu instead, you'll feel much better afterwards.
> ---------------------------------

Ah, but then there's that all-too human urge to probe the bad tooth with the tongue, to look beneath the red-stained sheet, to ask for "hot" at the Thai restaurant...

Yin, yang and everything in between.

vexkitten
post #11  on June 5, 2005 - 5:47 PM PDT  
...though I still wish I'd never seen Men Behind the Sun. Keep away from that little delight.
dvyi
post #12  on June 5, 2005 - 11:47 PM PDT  
> On June 5, 2005 - 3:25 PM PDT Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On June 5, 2005 - 7:29 AM PDT Eoliano wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > If that's your attitude then why bother putting yourself through Irreversible, stick with Ozu instead, you'll feel much better afterwards.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> I'd avoid Irreversible, were I you. It put me off sex for months. >_> A really awful movie. And it's probably worse for guys, seeing as it opens on two characters' trip into an extreme gay bar. I still can't scrub the image of a guy held up in the air by chains with his fingers...somewhere...begging to be umm..
>
> Well, I'm sure you can figure it out with all my vague language. But it was just grossss.
> ---------------------------------

wtf.. if you know no one will like it then why be so damn descriptive..

thats messed up
PGalloway1
post #13  on June 6, 2005 - 5:23 PM PDT  
> On June 5, 2005 - 5:47 PM PDT vexkitten wrote:
>...though I still wish I'd never seen Men Behind the Sun. Keep away from that little delight.

I wouldn't say "keep away," because films are to be seen. But I do think this is the cruelest film I've ever seen. Some people give it credit for being an historical document, etc. etc., but I think it's just a sick flick. Sick for real -- not sick like Mr. Creosote in Meaning of Life or even Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS. The film makes you question the motives of the filmmaker. Just what is up with this heartless freak? The mute kid, the cat, the rats, the chick with the arm issues and all the rest ... it transcends exploitation, taking us into a realm of sadism that warps and obscures any pretension towards docudrama realism or WW II testament. Watch it if you like, but I can't imagine you'll like what you watch.

lizzoqops
post #14  on June 6, 2005 - 9:33 PM PDT  
I agree that "Men Behind the Sun", along with "Black Sun- the Nanking Massacre" and other movies of that ilk are really exploitive, and not really likable. But I think it was just the Chinese-Hong Kong backlash against what they saw as an attitude of "the poor Japanese, how they suffered in World War II". Not that either side (or any side, USA, I'm talkin' to you) is without its atrocities during wartime. But a lot of those things happened in China during WWII.
ahogue
post #15  on June 7, 2005 - 10:18 AM PDT  
> On June 6, 2005 - 5:23 PM PDT PGalloway1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On June 5, 2005 - 5:47 PM PDT vexkitten wrote:
> >...though I still wish I'd never seen Men Behind the Sun. Keep away from that little delight.
>
> I wouldn't say "keep away," because films are to be seen. But I do think this is the cruelest film I've ever seen. Some people give it credit for being an historical document, etc. etc., but I think it's just a sick flick. Sick for real -- not sick like Mr. Creosote in Meaning of Life or even Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS. The film makes you question the motives of the filmmaker. Just what is up with this heartless freak? The mute kid, the cat, the rats, the chick with the arm issues and all the rest ... it transcends exploitation, taking us into a realm of sadism that warps and obscures any pretension towards docudrama realism or WW II testament. Watch it if you like, but I can't imagine you'll like what you watch.
> ---------------------------------

Well, now, of course you realize you're just piquing our curiosity by saying this. Well, in case anyone else is tempted let me share something I found on the IMDB page for this film. It's from the first user review:

"'Men Behind The Sun' belongs to a totally different category than 'Cannibal Holocaust'..."

Curiosity satisfied.
ahogue
post #16  on June 7, 2005 - 10:41 AM PDT  
Sometimes good reviews are far worse than bad ones. This is from a user review of the same director's first film:

"In fact, it's quite clear that Mous revels in the sadistic excesses of this less-than-cheerful exercise and I, for one, respect him for it.

Mous' cinema is a cinema of transgression masquerading shamelessly as social comment. One can only admire such audaciousness."

I dunno, I wouldn't want to meet that reviewer in a dark alley.
PGalloway1
post #17  on June 7, 2005 - 11:45 AM PDT  
> On June 7, 2005 - 10:41 AM PDT ahogue wrote:
> I dunno, I wouldn't want to meet that reviewer in a dark alley.

Oh he's just being outrageous. Probably some timid little undergrad with a runny nose.

ahogue
post #18  on June 7, 2005 - 12:21 PM PDT  
> On June 7, 2005 - 11:45 AM PDT PGalloway1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On June 7, 2005 - 10:41 AM PDT ahogue wrote:
> > I dunno, I wouldn't want to meet that reviewer in a dark alley.
>
> Oh he's just being outrageous. Probably some timid little undergrad with a runny nose.
>
>
> ---------------------------------

Heh. Yeah, the "cinema of transgression" line is a dead giveaway, isn't it?
vexkitten
post #19  on June 7, 2005 - 11:36 PM PDT  

> >
> > Oh he's just being outrageous. Probably some timid little undergrad with a runny nose.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
>
> Heh. Yeah, the "cinema of transgression" line is a dead giveaway, isn't it?
> ---------------------------------
Yep. Though if you're talking about Cronenberg, for instance, trangression can be valid. That's where it gets tricky.
I'd argue that with with Dave you never get the feeling he's standing off-camera saying "Oohhhh, I'm naughty..."

Conversely, MBTS, if you lose the sadism, is nothing. That film is the equivalent of depicting two hours of graphic rape and lynching of black slaves in the antebellum South and calling it "moral outrage."

Anyone a fan of Salo? I like some Pasolini, but I found that film intermittently boring and disgusting.

kohnfused1
post #20  on June 8, 2005 - 1:58 PM PDT  
I'd like to have some haute and spicy cuisine.
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