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Calling all Herzog Fans
Topic by: ahogue
Posted: June 10, 2005 - 4:54 PM PDT
Last Reply: August 12, 2006 - 2:12 AM PDT

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author topic: Calling all Herzog Fans
ahogue
post #1  on June 10, 2005 - 4:54 PM PDT  
I was browsing the catalog today and noticed that Greencine has two Herzog films on request. One is an early film called Signs of Life and the other an intriguing episode from a documentary called 2000 Years of Christianity. I wager seeing Herzog's take on religion would be worth the time it takes to click on that link and hit "Request".

Also, for anyone who likes his documentaries I recommend checking out Death for Five Voices. Not many have seen that one but it's excellent.

I wonder if they'll ever release Herdsmen of the Sun on DVD.
vexkitten
post #2  on June 11, 2005 - 1:41 AM PDT  
I'll do that.

Was the recent film he made with Tim Roth as dissapointing as everyone says it is? It's so demoralizing when artists fall off later in their careers.

Wow - threads on TV shows get far more comments than one on Herzog. That depresses me more than you can imagine.

Watch Aguirre, kids. Or at least Nosferatu. (It means Vampire! It's not art - really!)
ahogue
post #3  on June 11, 2005 - 11:25 AM PDT  
> On June 11, 2005 - 1:41 AM PDT vexkitten wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I'll do that.
>
> Was the recent film he made with Tim Roth as dissapointing as everyone says it is? It's so demoralizing when artists fall off later in their careers.
>
> Wow - threads on TV shows get far more comments than one on Herzog. That depresses me more than you can imagine.
>
> Watch Aguirre, kids. Or at least Nosferatu. (It means Vampire! It's not art - really!)
> ---------------------------------

Oh no, Invincible is very, very good. It's no Aguirre but still very much worth seeing.

I don't think it's so common for artists to fall off late in their careers. The problem, usually, is that the artist leaves their old audience behind. It would be horribly boring to do the same sort of thing your whole life, no matter how good you may be at it. Eyes Wide Shut and some of Mamet's more recent films come to mind.

Come on, people! Hit request. Just do me a favor.
ahogue
post #4  on June 11, 2005 - 11:29 AM PDT  
You know, if we just post enough on this thread eventually it will poke its head into the "Most Active Topics" list and then maybe people will be tempted. ;)
PDoherty
post #5  on June 13, 2005 - 4:48 PM PDT  
Check out the new Criterion "Burden of Dreams". It includes the rare Les Blank film "Werner herzog Eats His Shoe". A must see.

underdog
post #6  on June 13, 2005 - 5:03 PM PDT  
> On June 11, 2005 - 11:29 AM PDT ahogue wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> You know, if we just post enough on this thread eventually it will poke its head into the "Most Active Topics" list and then maybe people will be tempted. ;)
> ---------------------------------

That list on the home page is actually editorially controlled. Bribes are accepted of course, but not necessary. ;-) We just promote based on topics with the most potential for interest... meanwhile...


C
SonjaBlue
post #7  on June 13, 2005 - 9:53 PM PDT  
vexkitten wrote:

> Watch...at least Nosferatu. (It means Vampire! It's not art - really!)<

Actually, the word, Nosferatu, and earlier derivatives such as nosophoros and later, nosufur-atu -- means "plague carrier."
SonjaBlue
post #8  on June 13, 2005 - 9:58 PM PDT  
Ahogue, I've also requested Signs of Life if you think it will make a difference.
ahogue
post #9  on June 14, 2005 - 10:03 AM PDT  
> On June 13, 2005 - 9:58 PM PDT SonjaBlue wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Ahogue, I've also requested Signs of Life if you think it will make a difference.
> ---------------------------------


Thanks, Sonja. Here's hoping.
ahogue
post #10  on June 14, 2005 - 10:07 AM PDT  
> On June 13, 2005 - 5:03 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On June 11, 2005 - 11:29 AM PDT ahogue wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > You know, if we just post enough on this thread eventually it will poke its head into the "Most Active Topics" list and then maybe people will be tempted. ;)
> > ---------------------------------
>
> That list on the home page is actually editorially controlled. Bribes are accepted of course, but not necessary. ;-) We just promote based on topics with the most potential for interest... meanwhile...
>
>
> C
> ---------------------------------

Hmm...but what bribe could you possibly give to the dog that has it all?

Here's a second on the recommendation for Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe. That one I gather has been hard to find until now. Although, personally, not being a big fan of Fitzcaraldo and also having read about everything the film covers already, I found Burden of Dreams a little boring. But I certainly would recommend it to anyone not familiar with the story behind the making of that film.
PGalloway1
post #11  on June 14, 2005 - 10:22 AM PDT  
> On June 13, 2005 - 4:48 PM PDT PDoherty wrote:
> Check out the new Criterion "Burden of Dreams". It includes the rare Les Blank film "Werner herzog Eats His Shoe". A must see.

For my money, the most fascinating Herzog documentary is the one he made about Klaus Kinski, My Best Fiend (which they got right here on GC). It's a wonderful companion piece to Kinski Uncut, Klaus' autobiography, which I also recommend. What a wild ride! Kinski is insanely great.
vexkitten
post #12  on June 14, 2005 - 11:40 AM PDT  
> On June 14, 2005 - 10:22 AM PDT PGalloway1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On June 13, 2005 - 4:48 PM PDT PDoherty wrote:
> > Check out the new Criterion "Burden of Dreams". It includes the rare Les Blank film "Werner herzog Eats His Shoe". A must see.
>
> For my money, the most fascinating Herzog documentary is the one he made about Klaus Kinski, My Best Fiend (which they got right here on GC). It's a wonderful companion piece to Kinski Uncut, Klaus' autobiography, which I also recommend. What a wild ride! Kinski is insanely great.
> ---------------------------------

It's better than being locked in a closet with a rabid badger!

vexkitten
post #13  on June 14, 2005 - 12:00 PM PDT  

>
> It's better than being locked in a closet with a rabid badger!
>
But seriously, you gotta love Klaus...on screen, anyway.

An anecdote, as told to Roger Ebert:

Jack Lemmon told me that he was in line at Ace Hardware in Beverly Hills, and the sales clerk kept looking past him. "I may not be the biggest star in the world" he said, "but, jeez, usually when I stand in line, the clerk will notice me. I turned around, and there was Klaus Kinski with an ax."


Eoliano
post #14  on June 14, 2005 - 12:27 PM PDT  
> For my money, the most fascinating Herzog documentary is the one he made about Klaus Kinski, My Best Fiend (which they got right here on GC). It's a wonderful companion piece to Kinski Uncut, Klaus' autobiography, which I also recommend. What a wild ride! Kinski is insanely great.

I'm sure Herzog might agree that Kinski fabricated much is of his book... After all, however extraordinary an actor he was, the man was certifiably bonkers. I mean, it's difficult to believe someone who thought Herzog to be a "miserable, hateful, malevolent, avaricious, money-hungry, nasty, sadistic, treacherous, blackmailing, cowardly, thoroughly dishonest creep" was anything other than totally insane. [g]
underdog
post #15  on June 14, 2005 - 1:39 PM PDT  
> On June 14, 2005 - 10:03 AM PDT ahogue wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On June 13, 2005 - 9:58 PM PDT SonjaBlue wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Ahogue, I've also requested Signs of Life if you think it will make a difference.
> > ---------------------------------
>
>
> Thanks, Sonja. Here's hoping.
> ---------------------------------

The problem with Signs of Life, although admittedly you wouldn't know this from our site per se, is that it's not actually available on DVD at all. You can still request it, though, because when it does finally get released we'll have a better sense of how much interest there is in it. Meanwhile, you're not alone, as one online petition attests.

vexkitten
post #16  on June 14, 2005 - 4:49 PM PDT  

>
> I'm sure Herzog might agree that Kinski fabricated much is of his book... After all, however extraordinary an actor he was, the man was certifiably bonkers. I mean, it's difficult to believe someone who thought Herzog to be a "miserable, hateful, malevolent, avaricious, money-hungry, nasty, sadistic, treacherous, blackmailing, cowardly, thoroughly dishonest creep" was anything other than totally insane. [g]
> ---------------------------------

You've given away your true identity, Werner.

Eoliano
post #17  on June 14, 2005 - 4:52 PM PDT  
While you're all lamenting the lack of a couple of Herzog documentaries on DVD, two of his recent documentaries, The White Diamond and Wheel of Time, are playing at the Film Forum in New York, and hopefully at some point, at a theater near you.

By the way vexkitten, that's a very funny Kinski anecdote... the look on Lemmon's face when he told that story must have been priceless.
ahogue
post #18  on June 15, 2005 - 8:21 AM PDT  
> On June 14, 2005 - 4:52 PM PDT Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> While you're all lamenting the lack of a couple of Herzog documentaries on DVD, two of his recent documentaries, The White Diamond and Wheel of Time, are playing at the Film Forum in New York, and hopefully at some point, at a theater near you.
> ---------------------------------

Sigh. I should move to NY.
Eoliano
post #19  on June 15, 2005 - 8:30 AM PDT  
> Sigh. I should move to NY.

No need to do that... Herzog's films always make it to the Bay Area sooner or later.
ahogue
post #20  on June 15, 2005 - 10:10 AM PDT  
> On June 15, 2005 - 8:30 AM PDT Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > Sigh. I should move to NY.
>
> No need to do that... Herzog's films always make it to the Bay Area sooner or later.
> ---------------------------------

I know, but some other ones don't. I'm still annoyed that I never got to see that Chris Marker movie about Tarkovsky.
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