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Supposedly Great Films Which I Hate
Topic by: ahogue
Posted: July 14, 2005 - 11:19 AM PDT
Last Reply: August 8, 2005 - 4:07 PM PDT

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author topic: Supposedly Great Films Which I Hate
ahogue
post #1  on July 14, 2005 - 11:19 AM PDT  
Inspired by the guilty pleasures thread. Can't figure out what all the hype is about? Do your friends look down on you for hating a film usually held in reverence? Here is your chance to revolt against knee-jerk critical acclaim, to shake the trunk of the film canon and see what falls out, to strike a blow for independent thought, to stray from the fold of the cinema establishment, to cut those unearned reputations down to size!

If you want to, that is.

Here are supposedly great movies I can't stand:

Intolerance
Most Godard
Modern Times
Satyricon
The Wizard of Oz
It's a Wonderful Life

Hm...I'm sure more will come to mind soon.
woozy
post #2  on July 14, 2005 - 12:51 PM PDT  
Good Topic!

> Intolerance

It takes courage to admit you hate that! I loved it.

> Modern Times

Loved this, as I love all, well most, well loved when I was young, Chaplin. I know your feeling. Critics praise it for all the brilliant subtext about the dehumanization and soullessness of modern industrialization so when you finally do see it looking forward to this brilliant observations, ... well... it *is* there as subtext but for the most part it's a farcical slapstick. However I still love it.


> The Wizard of Oz

believe it or not, I'm with you on this one. I don't like the movie.

> It's a Wonderful Life
Ah, a guilty pleasure of mine. I always cry and I feel like *such* an idiot.

Okay, for me:

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, of course. Orange Umpalumpas, bad songs, stupid sixties cheap surrealism, utterly no real emotion? What the heck is to like about this stupid poorly done piece of, well, not trash, but certainly forgetable bit of film. I'm utterly perplexed that it seems to be revered.

The Matrix: Well, I'm never embarassed to claim I disliked it. It was an awful film.

Fannie and Alexander: It was perfectly okay and the holiday scene was nice enough, but I didn't see any great drama and tragedy afterwards. I didn't see why the nice gentle dad was so lovable, or why the stiff prig of a step-father was so terrible. Yes, having your kind father die when you are ten and having your mother marry a man you don't like is sad, maybe personally (but definately not universally) tragic, but it's certainly not traumatic.

The Shining: Kubrick's worst, I think (well, second worst--every one agrees upon his worst). Seeing this and then Lolita made me spend years thinking Kubrick was overrated until I rewatched 2001 and final got around to seeing "Full Metal Jacket".
voltesfive
post #3  on July 14, 2005 - 1:07 PM PDT  
I think a bunch of the titles on the AFI's top 100 could easily make this list.

Citizen Kane.... #1 really???
On the Waterfront
Some Like it Hot
The Maltese Falcon
Raging Bull
The Third Man
Modern Times
Easy Rider
Bringing Up Baby

Well I wouldn't say that I "hate" these movies. I just think they are over rated.

Blasphemy maybe... But different strokes for different folks.

woozy
post #4  on July 14, 2005 - 1:59 PM PDT  
Oh, and "Rushmore" did nothing for me and I didn't like it. I really liked "the Royal Tannenbaums". Haven't decided whether I like the Life Aquatic or not yet. I think I .... don't.

And, Star Wars. The original, not the god awful latest trilogy. You know, the classic with Luke and Hans and the wookie. I mean, that was ... dumb ..., wasn't it?

Oh, I liked the Lord of the Rings trilogy but I got more and more annoyed with them as they went on. Thought the third was the worst of the lot. Although I have a feeling if I saw the first again, I might change my mind or ... no, I don't think so.
IronS
post #5  on July 14, 2005 - 3:32 PM PDT  
> On July 14, 2005 - 11:19 AM PDT ahogue wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Satyricon
>

This one got me to not ever watch any Fellini films ever again (did I use enough "ever"s in this sentence?). The guy who made the lot of us watch this film fell asleep part way through - that was how captivating it was. After he started snoring, everyone else wanted to just turn it off, but I made them watch just in case it made more sense toward the end. It didn't.
shiori308
post #6  on July 14, 2005 - 6:16 PM PDT  
Not sure I want to say this but...

Gone With the Wind... hated it can't give a good reason why.

And just about any movie with Marilyn Monroe in it. Just couldn't stand her enough to get into any movie.

woozy
post #7  on July 14, 2005 - 6:43 PM PDT  
> And just about any movie with Marilyn Monroe in it. Just couldn't stand her enough to get into any movie.
>
Heh, heh, I have a theory Marilyn Monroe fans go in 17 year cycles where they are liked by 27-year old men and 14 year old girls in the years 2005, 1988, 1971 and 1954. That would explain cosplayer, me, my baby sister and my older sister.

lizzoqops
post #8  on July 14, 2005 - 8:44 PM PDT  
Wow, I should take notes to see who's "Hate List" I really disagree with so I can make judgements on future reviews. Kinda like a Siskel and Ebert thing : )

I really don't get:

The Rules of the Game
Any Preston Sturges
The Doors (the movie, not the band)
Anything with John Wayne
Almost every movie from Hammer Studios
Lawrence of Arabia

I'm sure I'll think of more later. I also don't hate "The Godfather" or "Star Wars", but I don't see what the big deal is.
ahogue
post #9  on July 15, 2005 - 10:05 AM PDT  
> On July 14, 2005 - 3:32 PM PDT IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On July 14, 2005 - 11:19 AM PDT ahogue wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Satyricon
> >
> This one got me to not ever watch any Fellini films ever again (did I use enough "ever"s in this sentence?). The guy who made the lot of us watch this film fell asleep part way through - that was how captivating it was. After he started snoring, everyone else wanted to just turn it off, but I made them watch just in case it made more sense toward the end. It didn't.
> ---------------------------------

Oh, geez. I hope before you decided never to see another Fellini film you at least managed to catch 8 1/2 and La Strada.

In my opinion, Fellini has one of those unsinkable reputations. A number of his movies are overrated, or at least not to my taste. But those two are amazing.
ahogue
post #10  on July 15, 2005 - 10:11 AM PDT  
> On July 14, 2005 - 1:07 PM PDT voltesfive wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I think a bunch of the titles on the AFI's top 100 could easily make this list.
>
> Citizen Kane.... #1 really???
> On the Waterfront
> Some Like it Hot
> The Maltese Falcon
> Raging Bull
> The Third Man
> Modern Times
> Easy Rider
> Bringing Up Baby
>
> Well I wouldn't say that I "hate" these movies. I just think they are over rated.
> ---------------------------------

I agree with a lot of those. I don't hate them, but many are definitely overrated. Kane being "#1" has become such an old saw among critics that I'm surprised it hasn't spawned a new genre of knock-knock jokes.

On the Waterfront: Well done, but rather clumsy and heavy handed in others. Very memorable, not the best ever by any stretch.

Maltese Falcon: Actually, I'm happy to see this one on the list, but maybe it's just nostalghia.

Raging Bull definitely deserves to be there.

The Third Man: I'm glad that FINALLY another person decided to criticize this movie, I was starting to think I was going mad. Again, it's a fine film, but Carol Reed's direction is nothing new and exciting, just a competent execution of a style already well developed. And what's with people going into extasy over the zither music? Come on, people, IT'S JUST A ZITHER!

Ahem. Excuse me.
ahogue
post #11  on July 15, 2005 - 10:17 AM PDT  
> On July 14, 2005 - 12:51 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> The Shining: Kubrick's worst, I think (well, second worst--every one agrees upon his worst). Seeing this and then Lolita made me spend years thinking Kubrick was overrated until I rewatched 2001 and final got around to seeing "Full Metal Jacket".
>
> ---------------------------------

That's one of my favorites. His worst is probably Killer's Kiss. Well, leaving out Fear and Desire, which almost no one has seen.
woozy
post #12  on July 15, 2005 - 10:38 AM PDT  
> That's one of my favorites.

The Shining is one of your favorites? Or "Full Metal Jacket"?

> His worst is probably Killer's Kiss. Well, leaving out Fear and Desire, which almost no one has seen.
> ---------------------------------

Maybe. I haven't seen those. I was assuming everyone assumed Eyes wide shut was his worst.

Citizen Kane being number one *is* a cliche but it deserves to be there. It's a fantastic piece of film making. My problem is that it's gotten to be such a sacred cow, and sacred cows just beg to be toppled and ridiculed. I can't really believe it is still there because reviewers keep returning to it and saying "Yup, it's still great" so much as no one dares question it. I fear the backlash. I believe it *does* deserve being there but I think every now and then someone needs to go back and give a fresh opinion about why it is *still* great.

3rd man. Yeah, I was underwhelmed. It was a spy mystery, right? But I did like the zither music. Very minimalistic compared to full orchestra and lively.

ahogue
post #13  on July 15, 2005 - 11:08 AM PDT  
> On July 15, 2005 - 10:38 AM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > That's one of my favorites.
>
> The Shining is one of your favorites? Or "Full Metal Jacket"?
---------

The Shining.


> ---
> > His worst is probably Killer's Kiss. Well, leaving out Fear and Desire, which almost no one has seen.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> Maybe. I haven't seen those. I was assuming everyone assumed Eyes wide shut was his worst.
---------

That's not a safe assumption.


> --------------
> Citizen Kane being number one *is* a cliche but it deserves to be there. It's a fantastic piece of film making. My problem is that it's gotten to be such a sacred cow, and sacred cows just beg to be toppled and ridiculed.
-------

Exactly. It will happen, that's the nature of the whole enterprise, and in any case I think that's healthy.
underdog
post #14  on July 15, 2005 - 2:50 PM PDT  
I don't exactly hate it, but I was quite bored by The Night Porter - which at one time was considered an important, notorious film.

Deadly. Though I confess I saw it not too long ago on VHS, rather than the Criterion DVD, so perhaps that would make it a better viewing experience.

Also:

I didn't think Chicago deserved a Best Picture Oscar, or any Oscar. It wasn't terrible, but what a lot of retro hooey with a few decent songs.
ahogue
post #15  on July 15, 2005 - 8:17 PM PDT  
> On July 15, 2005 - 2:50 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I don't exactly hate it, but I was quite bored by The Night Porter - which at one time was considered an important, notorious film.
>
> Deadly. Though I confess I saw it not too long ago on VHS, rather than the Criterion DVD, so perhaps that would make it a better viewing experience.
>
> Also:
>
> I didn't think Chicago deserved a Best Picture Oscar, or any Oscar. It wasn't terrible, but what a lot of retro hooey with a few decent songs.
> ---------------------------------

When's the last time something won best picture and really, definitely, deserved it? At least it wasn't a Spielberg picture.

What would you have picked that year instead...out of what could have actually had a chance of winning?
lizzoqops
post #16  on July 15, 2005 - 9:48 PM PDT  
Wow, that was a pretty sorry Oscar year. I kinda like the Pianist, but no way was that gonna win. Polanski winning was a big enough shocker.

Looking at the list, the last movie I really liked that won best picture was "Silence of the Lambs".

And that list reminded me of a movie I hated hated hated:
The English Patient.
ahogue
post #17  on July 16, 2005 - 12:16 AM PDT  
> On July 15, 2005 - 9:48 PM PDT lizzoqops wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Wow, that was a pretty sorry Oscar year. I kinda like the Pianist, but no way was that gonna win. Polanski winning was a big enough shocker.
------

Yeah, that's a great film.


> ------
> And that list reminded me of a movie I hated hated hated:
> The English Patient.
> ---------------------------------

Ah! Another one for my list, too. I hated that film.
woozy
post #18  on July 16, 2005 - 9:23 AM PDT  
> > --------------
> > Citizen Kane being number one *is* a cliche but it deserves to be there. It's a fantastic piece of film making. My problem is that it's gotten to be such a sacred cow, and sacred cows just beg to be toppled and ridiculed.
> -------
>
> Exactly. It will happen, that's the nature of the whole enterprise, and in any case I think that's healthy.
>
> ---------------------------------

It's healthy to challenge sacred cows. And if the sacred cow still bears relevences and deserves it's position, which I believe Citizen Kane does, it will survive the challenge. What's unhealthy is tip-toeing around a sacred cow and not letting folks challenge so that a younger generation ignores it or rejects it simply out of reaction.

Battie
post #19  on July 16, 2005 - 9:32 AM PDT  
> On July 15, 2005 - 2:50 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Also:
>
> I didn't think Chicago deserved a Best Picture Oscar, or any Oscar. It wasn't terrible, but what a lot of retro hooey with a few decent songs.
> ---------------------------------

I didn't even see that one and I wanted to knock some heads over the Oscar crap. Man, just catching pieces from trailers and some movie channel were enough to give me hives. I've seen a lot worse, but for all the hype...it wasn't an amazing film.
underdog
post #20  on July 16, 2005 - 10:18 AM PDT  
> On July 15, 2005 - 8:17 PM PDT ahogue wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> >
> > I didn't think Chicago deserved a Best Picture Oscar, or any Oscar. It wasn't terrible, but what a lot of retro hooey with a few decent songs.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> When's the last time something won best picture and really, definitely, deserved it? At least it wasn't a Spielberg picture.
>
> What would you have picked that year instead...out of what could have actually had a chance of winning?
> ---------------------------------

Of the choices, probably The Pianist or even The Hours was much more interesting than Chicago. It was admittedly a fairly weak year but the weakest was picked. And yeah, I guess my expectations for Oscar choices should be quite low by this time, but...still.
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