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PG-13....Are You Kidding Me?
Topic by: runawayjim
Posted: February 21, 2006 - 5:51 PM PST
Last Reply: February 26, 2006 - 5:00 PM PST

author topic: PG-13....Are You Kidding Me?
runawayjim
post #1  on February 21, 2006 - 5:51 PM PST  
Having spent my allotment of Greencine movies early in the weekend, I stumbled upon one of my favorite adolescent movies while flipping channels, Red Dawn . You remember Red Dawn , the World War III fantasy flick staring the cream of the Hollywood youth movement of 1984, Patrick Swayze , Charlie Sheen , C. Thomas Howell , Jennifer Grey & Lea Thompson . There is even a brief Harry Dean Stanton sighting (one of my personal favorites, see Escape From New York) It was also directed by John Milius. Yes the same John Milius who directed Conan the Barbarian, as well as some other good writing credits.

All that being said, I was a SHOCKED to see that this bloody, firing squad laden, shoot your best friend for giving the enemy your location, badly acted war movie is only rated PG-13!! Now I am all for letting the youth of our country see as much murder and blood as they can, case and point ME. But my friends and I were sure that this movie once held the world record for MOST ON-SCREEN DEATHS, if there is such a category. I guess, this says a little something our country. Show some bare breast and nobody under 17 can see that. But show hundreds of innocent people getting gunned down, 14 years old is just fine.

So if you in the mood for a good clean Soviet paratroopers dropping into your back yard fun, bring the kids and rent Red Dawn
hardcle
post #2  on February 21, 2006 - 6:49 PM PST  
Here's a bit of trivia for you. Red Dawn was the first movie to gain widespread release with the PG-13 rating. The first to be classified PG-13 was the Flamingo Kid.
DLeonard
post #3  on February 22, 2006 - 12:25 AM PST  
Probably no nudity though, right?
If there had, then you would have seen the R rating.
Battie
post #4  on February 22, 2006 - 9:05 AM PST  
Puritans: "Well, we can't have sex, but we can hang people! Yeehaw!" *snicker* We're just following tradition.
kohnfused1
post #5  on February 22, 2006 - 9:21 AM PST  
I prefer the other Swayze dawn flick, "Steel Dawn". It's a cheesey american pseudo rip off of Mad Max. I remember it only because of the cool dual swords he carried around with him.
underdog
post #6  on February 22, 2006 - 10:07 AM PST  
> On February 22, 2006 - 9:05 AM PST Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Puritans: "Well, we can't have sex, but we can hang people! Yeehaw!" *snicker* We're just following tradition.
> ---------------------------------

Hanging not banging! I believe that was the Puritan Rating Board's motto way back then.

=================================

"Wolverines!!!!!"
artifex
post #7  on February 22, 2006 - 11:07 AM PST  
> On February 22, 2006 - 9:05 AM PST Battie wrote:
> Puritans: "Well, we can't have sex, but we can hang people! Yeehaw!" *snicker* We're just following tradition.

A hex on sex, but break those necks!
runawayjim
post #8  on February 22, 2006 - 12:06 PM PST  
> On February 21, 2006 - 6:49 PM PST hardcle wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Here's a bit of trivia for you. Red Dawn was the first movie to gain widespread release with the PG-13 rating. The first to be classified PG-13 was the Flamingo Kid.
> ---------------------------------

Not to argue, but I seem to remember that Dreamscape was the first PG-13 title.

I could be wrong though.
underdog
post #9  on February 22, 2006 - 12:13 PM PST  
According to the imdb and wikipedia:

Flamingo Kid, The (1984) was indeed the first film to be given a PG-13 rating. BUT it was shelved for five months, making Red Dawn (1984) the first film to be *released* with a PG-13 rating.

Funny, I originally thought Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was the first, but my faulty memory was actually thinking of the fact that that movie triggered the "need" for a PG-13 rating thereafter.
Cinenaut
post #10  on February 22, 2006 - 1:49 PM PST  
Yeah, Temple of Doom, along with Gremlins, brought us the PG-13 rating.

Gremlins getting microwaved and Osterized, along with the Indiana Jones heart-ripping scene, pretty much did the trick.
woozy
post #11  on February 22, 2006 - 11:16 PM PST  
I thought Red Dawn was the first the PG-13 movie and I've never heard of the flamingo kid.

When PG-13 was first released I thought it was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard of. "PG" means "Parental Guidance" i.e. *NOT APPROPRIATE FOR KIDS* so the complaint that the was no difference between kiddie PG movies and adult PG movies. So they made PG-13 for the violent stuff which seemed to be saying "Parental Guidance-- we mean it this time." Now by your complaint that "Parental Guidance-- really, really, not recommended for any-one under 13" is too weak a rating, I guess PG-13 has been modified into meaning "Parental Guidance: We don't mean it this time either."
radboy
post #12  on February 23, 2006 - 6:22 AM PST  
> On February 21, 2006 - 5:51 PM PST runawayjim wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Having spent my allotment of Greencine movies early in the weekend, I stumbled upon one of my favorite adolescent movies while flipping channels, Red Dawn . You remember Red Dawn , the World War III fantasy flick staring the cream of the Hollywood youth movement of 1984, Patrick Swayze , Charlie Sheen , C. Thomas Howell , Jennifer Grey & Lea Thompson . There is even a brief Harry Dean Stanton sighting (one of my personal favorites, see Escape From New York) It was also directed by John Milius. Yes the same John Milius who directed Conan the Barbarian, as well as some other good writing credits.
>
> All that being said, I was a SHOCKED to see that this bloody, firing squad laden, shoot your best friend for giving the enemy your location, badly acted war movie is only rated PG-13!! Now I am all for letting the youth of our country see as much murder and blood as they can, case and point ME. But my friends and I were sure that this movie once held the world record for MOST ON-SCREEN DEATHS, if there is such a category. I guess, this says a little something our country. Show some bare breast and nobody under 17 can see that. But show hundreds of innocent people getting gunned down, 14 years old is just fine.
>
> So if you in the mood for a good clean Soviet paratroopers dropping into your back yard fun, bring the kids and rent Red Dawn
>
> ---------------------------------

God, I Love Red Dawn. Simply because it is so badly acted and has every cold-war, ultra-conservative, anti-communist cliche and stereotype you can imagine. It was made in 1984 in the middle of the Reagan Years' evil empire period and before the soviet union fell. That being the case I'm surprised Reagan didn't influence his hollywood buddies to give it a "G" rating. It is politically and "artistically" (term used very loosely) amongst the finest "bad" B pictures every made; it is utterly ludicrous. Though this movie may repulse some I recommend it highly. Yes, I know I'm a bad man but I can't help myself.
runawayjim
post #13  on February 23, 2006 - 4:47 PM PST  
> On February 23, 2006 - 6:22 AM PST radboy wrote:

> > ---------------------------------
It is politically and "artistically" (term used very loosely) amongst the finest "bad" B pictures every made; it is utterly ludicrous.


I couldn't agree more, it is "UTTERLY LUDICROUS", and that was makes it "GOOD".
ALittlefield
post #14  on February 25, 2006 - 12:30 PM PST  
I love the fact that in that movie the Russians invade America, and one of the first places they choose to attack is....a high school. With planning like that, how did they win?
runawayjim
post #15  on February 26, 2006 - 12:26 PM PST  
> On February 25, 2006 - 12:30 PM PST ALittlefield wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I love the fact that in that movie the Russians invade America, and one of the first places they choose to attack is....a high school. With planning like that, how did they win?
> ---------------------------------

Yes, one of the things I always thought was a bit funny. They decide to invade the middle of nowhere Colorado? Somehow that town has major strategic importance?
ALittlefield
post #16  on February 26, 2006 - 5:00 PM PST  
John Milius, the creator of RED DAWN, is a rare Hollywood conservative; he also wrote Dirty Harry's famous (infamous?) speech about the Magnum .45 in the first film in that series, and he wrote APOCALYPSE NOW, but was angry when Coppola changed his ending (which, absurdly had the Martin Sheen and Brando characters fighting the Viet Cong side by side!). So, coming from him, a ludicrous right wing paranoid fantasy like RED DAWN is no surprise. But it doesn't even qualify as a good ludicrous right wing paranoid fantasy!

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