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Caligula and all its many versions
Topic by: Gunnwes2
Posted: January 18, 2008 - 6:09 PM PST
Last Reply: January 24, 2008 - 12:08 PM PST

author topic: Caligula and all its many versions
Gunnwes2
post #1  on January 18, 2008 - 6:09 PM PST  
Anyone know the major differences between the *three* different versions of Caligula that Greencine carries?

1 - Caligula (1979)
2 - Caligula: Twentieth Anniversary Edition (1979)
3 - Caligula (Imperial Edtion) (3 Discs) (1979)

I've seen The Twentieth Anni. Ed, which I *thought* was the original uncut version that I saw on video waaay back in the 80s. I know there was an R rated version back then, too. So, for #1 and #3 above, are they different? There are 2 versions on the new Imperial edition, correct? Are they edited, Rrated, or have even more? Is this some new, never-before-seen Guccione version?

Thanks!
kaream
post #2  on January 18, 2008 - 11:24 PM PST  
Does any of this wikipedia entry help?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula_%28film%29#Multiple_versions

What I wish is that I could find the basic Tinto Brass film, or what there exists of it, without the absurd and annoying Guccione interpolations that make no sense and just interrupt the story. Seemingly something close to this might be in the 3-disc Image set.
kaream
post #3  on January 19, 2008 - 12:28 AM PST  
> On January 18, 2008 - 11:24 PM PST kaream wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> What I wish is that I could find the basic Tinto Brass film, or what there exists of it, without the absurd and annoying Guccione interpolations that make no sense and just interrupt the story. Seemingly something close to this might be in the 3-disc Image set.
> ---------------------------------

I'm not finding anything that reliably gives a breakdown of these three discs, but I'm guessing Disc 1 probably includes the Guccione footage, Disc 2 omits it, and Disc 3 is all just extras? Does anyone know?

FWIW, there's nothing blue-nosed about me; just as with my complaint about all the breasts hanging out in the Pacino Merchant of Venice, my problem with the Guccione theatrical version of Caligula is that the hardcore inserts detract from the film rather than enhancing it, and are there just for the drooling-teenage-wanker crowd. The onstage nude simulated sex in Act I of David McVicar's 2001 Royal Opera House version of Rigoletto is even worse because it's there solely to make ROH audiences feel oh-so-hip (shades of 1969's O Calcutta, but that's a generational thing), and turns Verdi's story upside down in the process.
weezy
post #4  on January 24, 2008 - 12:08 PM PST  
Took me a while to wrap my brain around this one too!

The first disc on your list (Caligula) is the Rated R original release version.

The 20th Anniversary Edition is the unrated, uncut version, identical to Disc 1 of the Imperial Edition, except all the discs in the Imperial Edition have been remastered.

Some more helpful information at DVD Verdict" on the Imperial Edition:

"The first disc has the longest cut (of the film) available, running 156 minutes to retain the controversial Guccione-inserted porn sequences.

The second disc offers the alternate prerelease version of the film, which clocks in three minutes shorter and skips some of the hardcore scenes, making it closer to the original director's vision. The editing differs on the two versions in several sequences, and the second version uses a lot of alternate footage. Some of the disjointed scenes from the uncut version are in their proper place for the prerelease cut. It's the one to watch if you want the narrative to be clearer, while the uncut version offers the most sexual thrills.

The third disc is where you will find all the supporting featurettes. There are extended interviews with two of the supporting actors in the film including thespian John Steiner and Penthouse Pet Lori Wagner. They both discuss Italian cinema and their careers far more than just rhapsodizing over their on-set experiences with Caligula."

Another note, too, is clicking the on the "additional information" link on the product page, next to the picture, will usually give you the chapter index and some more info so you can compare the versions.

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