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Iraq War Movies
Topic by: underdog
Posted: March 20, 2008 - 2:39 PM PDT
Last Reply: March 21, 2008 - 11:39 PM PDT

author topic: Iraq War Movies
underdog
post #1  on March 20, 2008 - 2:39 PM PDT  
As we've just added a new category for Iraq War movies (under War), I was curious about something:

There have been some articles in the media about how "Iraq war movies fizzle at the box office" and that sort of thing. I'm not sure what they're expecting exactly, but if that's true, it seems like more people are at least seeing some of these films on DVD, after avoiding in theaters. I think of Redacted as an example. And docs like No End in Sight.

So are people avoiding these films in general? Are they too painful and/or depressing to watch, even at home?

Do you feel you've learned something from watching any of these films - know more now than you did before?

And which ones would you recommend the most to people who feel they need to know more about what's going on there, over the past 5 years?
underdog
post #2  on March 20, 2008 - 2:41 PM PDT  
Oh, and happy fifth anniversary!

Vanamonde
post #3  on March 20, 2008 - 3:45 PM PDT  
> On March 20, 2008 - 2:41 PM PDT underdog wrote:
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> Oh, and happy fifth anniversary!
>
>
> ---------------------------------

Yeah, right. And "Have a nice war!"

A million dead, 5 million homeless, a trillion wasted and the good name of the United State dragged through the mud and blood of torture and lies. And the greatest treasure of our country wasted on that gawdforsaken desert to make trillionaires out of billionaires and replace our republic with a megacorpate dictatorship.

Happy fifth anniversay, you say. I have NEVER been so angry at you, underdog.

I have no sense of humor about this, sorry.


underdog
post #4  on March 20, 2008 - 3:52 PM PDT  
Sorry, I'm angry about it too - the internet doesn't translate very well sarcasm, does it? I certainly don't mean to make light of the thing, just the way Americans seem to in general be ignoring the toll of it all.

There was a snarky column one of my colleagues pointed out today in the Huffington Post, which on the surface may also seem too flippant but if you read the whole thing does get to the heart of what I'm saying. "Dear 5 Year Anniversary..."

(Excerpt)
"In fact, out of the top 100 Hot Trends, not one has anything to do with the Iraq War! Mr. Rieckhoff, with all due respect, I think we can all agree that headlines like Kristin Davis Goes from Deck the Halls to Licking Balls? or Audrina Patridge of 'The Hills' went topless, and stories on rapper Tampa Tony's prison sentence, a "boss mouse" which lets you watch March Madness without getting busted by your boss, and Terrelle Pryor's decision to play for the Buckeyes over Michigan, are a lot more important than some war that has cost three trillion dollars, wounded tens of thousands and killed nearly 4,000 Americans. Oh, and, in terms of the affect on Iraqis (which is even more boring than the stats I listed above because the Iraqis don't even live in America, or talk American or look American), the war has killed up to one million people, displaced 2.5 million Iraqis, and forced more than two million to flee into neighboring countries. (I know, Americans: boring!)"
underdog
post #5  on March 20, 2008 - 3:54 PM PDT  
Btw, one movie that seemed to have disappeared quickly was Home of the Brave, despite a popular cast and some good reviews. Anyone see it?

Report back here if you have...
shiftless
post #6  on March 20, 2008 - 4:01 PM PDT  
You're way out of line vanamonde. With all the things to be angry at, getting angry over a flippant "happy whatever" is about he most useless expense of energy I can think of. Especially considering what he was linking to, or didn't you look at it? I think that if you have nothing to contribute to the topic of the thread, maybe you should just go watch a movie instead?

As far as the topic goes... I haven't been too interested in Iraq War movies myself. I read about it every day ( hooray for www.cursor.org ) and I just can't bring myself to watch any of those movies. I feel informed as a citizen so I don't think they'll tell me anything or sway my opinion. The idea of watching them is like wallowing in mud, don't need to do it to know I'll get dirty. Too depressing too.

Although I think part of it is a general distaste for war movies in general. As a kid, a surefire way to get me to change the channel on TV was if I saw soldiers running across the screen, usually those black and white WWII or WWI movies.

manuelvillanueva
post #7  on March 20, 2008 - 5:50 PM PDT  
You're right. Sarcasm does not translate well on the Web with a touchy subject that some feel strongly about. Plus, it's difficult to judge the other's reactions.

I think most people are avoiding the subject or are polarized in their view about the war. There might be more interest in the subject after the war is over. I'm not happy about the war and have a low opinion of the Marine Corps after the puppy incident. The Internet is a great thing: People to making asses of themselves in real-time. I haven't seen any of the Iraq war films other than Fahrenheit 911. I thought Moore took a well deserved swipe at our current administration. Your film list looks interesting. If I ever tear myself away from anime, I'd like to watch them.

Do you have a list of Cold War films? I have an interest since I served during that time frame? My job in the military involved firing a nuclear missile. I was fresh out of high school and put little consideration in the magnitude of the consequences of such a weapon. It was almost 100 x more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb.
Vanamonde
post #8  on March 20, 2008 - 7:54 PM PDT  
> On March 20, 2008 - 3:52 PM PDT underdog wrote:
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> Sorry, I'm angry about it too - the internet doesn't translate very well sarcasm, does it? I certainly don't mean to make light of the thing, just the way Americans seem to in general be ignoring the toll of it all.
> ---------------------------------

I am sorry. This loaded bomb has a very hair trigger and now I have yet another mess to clean up.

I have seen "Lions for Lambs" and I was very impressed by what a patriotic movie it is - in the best sense. And so righteously damned of those who truly deserve it.

And "Gardens of Stone" is my favorite film about the Vietnam era - James Earl Jones, James Caan, Angelica Huston on those who serve by burying the dead at Arlington Cemetery. I imagine it has not aged at all - to our horror.

But seriously, the war is real and it is going on. You do need to watch any movie to see it.

Get out in your community and experience.

Find some vets and talk to them. Volunteer to help them, if you can. Join the movement to stop the madness. Shake the pillars of hell and storm the gates of heaven. And above all, wake up the sheep.

I have am stories. Don't we all? They have many dimensions and dancing in the light of day and all night. Don't keep them in the dark on a flat screen, limited to a four or five reels.

I will skip my stories for now and again apologize to underdog. I should have known better. War can frack up one's judgement.

I pray for an end to these tears. I pray for an end to this mourning.
underdog
post #9  on March 21, 2008 - 12:15 PM PDT  
> On March 20, 2008 - 7:54 PM PDT Vanamonde wrote:
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>
> Get out in your community and experience.
>
> Find some vets and talk to them. Volunteer to help them, if you can. Join the movement to stop the madness. Shake the pillars of hell and storm the gates of heaven. And above all, wake up the sheep.
>

Great suggestion. I really worry about the vets of this war, how the government only cares about them as bodies on the battlefield but as soon as they're home the funding and the caring stops.

There are a few films that are now starting to address this (including the new one called Stop-Loss, which looks good despite the presence of Ryan Philippe.) Watching movies may not address the problem, as you suggest talking to real people and donating to real causes is the best, but movies can start a conversation and increase awareness of these issues.


>
> I will skip my stories for now and again apologize to underdog. I should have known better. War can frack up one's judgement.

No problem at all - the war IS fracked up so it makes us all a bit on edge.

>
> I pray for an end to these tears. I pray for an end to this mourning.
>
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Amen.
IronS
post #10  on March 21, 2008 - 10:33 PM PDT  
> On March 20, 2008 - 2:39 PM PDT underdog wrote:
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> people who feel they need to know more about what's going on there, over the past 5 years?
> ---------------------------------

Just the other morning, during some coverage of the rallies to protest the 5th anniversary of the Iraq War, I was agog to see one of the banners which read:

5 YEARS
TO MANY


Now, I had just woken up so I don't remember where this rally was held, but although I'm fairly certain this was a typo (meaning "5 YEARS TOO MANY") I'm more than willing to give the protesters the benefit of the doubt (meaning "from 5 YEARS TO MANY years"). Maybe.
shiftless
post #11  on March 21, 2008 - 11:39 PM PDT  
> On March 21, 2008 - 10:33 PM PDT IronS wrote:
I'm more than willing to give the protesters the benefit of the doubt (meaning "from 5 YEARS TO MANY years"). Maybe.
> ---------------------------------

Please, you've been on the interweb long enough to know better... ;)

Reminds me of a fairly common pic I see where a guy in backwards baseball cap is holding a sign that read in large letters "MORANS".

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