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Steve Jobs, Master of the Universe? Disney to buy PIXAR...
Topic by: hamano
Posted: January 23, 2006 - 4:34 AM PST
Last Reply: January 27, 2006 - 2:13 AM PST

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author topic: Steve Jobs, Master of the Universe? Disney to buy PIXAR...
hamano
post #1  on January 23, 2006 - 4:34 AM PST  
Early news reports today that Disney is going to buy Pixar. IF that happens, Apple CEO Steve Jobs will become a major Disney shareholder overnight. He's getting along well with the current Disney board and has already persuaded Disney to allow hit ABC TV shows to be ported to the video iPod.

What the hell does this mean? Will Jobs become the King of all Digital Media? How does this fit with his overall vision of digital media distribution?

Oh, I finally gave in and bought a iPod.... a cute little black nano that I named Mokona. I even pasted a Mokona icon on it which appears on my desktop everytime I dock it to my eMac for a charge. CUTE!
kohnfused1
post #2  on January 23, 2006 - 10:16 AM PST  
> On January 23, 2006 - 4:34 AM PST hamano wrote:
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> Oh, I finally gave in and bought a iPod.... a cute little black nano that I named Mokona. I even pasted a Mokona icon on it which appears on my desktop everytime I dock it to my eMac for a charge. CUTE!
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How's the viewscreen holding up?
hamano
post #3  on January 23, 2006 - 11:00 AM PST  
> On January 23, 2006 - 10:16 AM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
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> How's the viewscreen holding up?
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Well, it's tiny. I'm not going to play games or show photos on it so that's OK.... Also I'm not planning to press the nano into heavy-duty service rock climbing and mountain biking and what not. Did you have problems with yours?

kohnfused1
post #4  on January 23, 2006 - 11:11 AM PST  
> On January 23, 2006 - 11:00 AM PST hamano wrote:
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> Well, it's tiny. I'm not going to play games or show photos on it so that's OK.... Also I'm not planning to press the nano into heavy-duty service rock climbing and mountain biking and what not. Did you have problems with yours?
>
>
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No, I'm still "iPod free". I've read the news reports of the numerous lawsuits (from different states) against Apple. Just was wondering if they ever fixed the problem.
dpowers
post #5  on January 23, 2006 - 11:50 AM PST  
i also bought a nano. i cut down the original face protection sheet to cover just the screen and bought a rubber thing to go around the whole unit so that i could have a little liquid protection. the little thing is nifty. the whole shebang, earbuds & all, fits in the key pocket of jeans. other than the battery life going down steeply as the volume cranks up (less than half the stated life if you like deafening yourself) the thing is i believe nearly mature - everything i want in a portable music player with very few things i don't and the sound is very very close to the quality of my home system when compared with the same earphones. anyway.

speaking as someone who wants system software to be open source only, a tighter apple-disney relationship would be nasty. apple and disney are two of the most notoriously litigious companies in electronic media.
hamano
post #6  on January 23, 2006 - 12:21 PM PST  
> On January 23, 2006 - 11:50 AM PST dpowers wrote:
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> i also bought a nano. i cut down the original face protection sheet to cover just the screen and bought a rubber thing to go around the whole unit

Hey, great minds think alike! Except what I did was just cut off the bit of protection sheet that stuck out farther than the bottom of the nano. The click wheel works just fine through the thin plastic sheet. Also I didn't wrap a rubber around my unit. There was a leatherette nano sleeve included in the package, so I took my trusty exacto knife to cut a square window (for the screen) and a round window (for the click wheel) on one side of it. Works great! I have a love/hate relationship with the earbud port being on the bottom. That works great for plugging in my earbuds or the tape-player converter thingie I've been using in my minivan with the mp3 CD player. But I have to pull the earbuds out to disconnect the nano from the docking cable (or a real dock, too, I guess). The connector has these little "ears" on both sides to press to disconnect it from the nano and I can't press both of them if a headphone is plugged in.

I love to look at myself in the shiny metal back of the nano! Swoon!!

> speaking as someone who wants system software to be open source only, a tighter apple-disney relationship would be nasty. apple and disney are two of the most notoriously litigious companies in electronic media.

Maybe together they can buy out the Beatles old record company to lay some of the litigation to rest... I see the fight as between the companies that sell you media (iTunes, DVD retailers) VS the companies that want to rent or stream stuff to you (Napster and other companies whose music you "own" only as long as you pay your dues, video-on-demand companies) Philosophically, according to the classic cyberpunk vision, it would be nice if we didn't actually have to own and carry around physical copies of movies, books and songs and whatnot. They should exist somewhere "out there" and available for use whenever and wherever you need it. But people would need to adjust their entire attitude about how intellectual property is valued and "owned" for that to realize its full potential, no? Right now DVD sales are too much of a gold mine for film companies, even with piracy and bittorrent and all. Right now the money is with the companies that sell you digital info the same way butchers sell meat, as "things" that you can "own"... "Renters" like Napster and Blockbuster and GreenCine are still in a sort of purgatory.

kohnfused1
post #7  on January 23, 2006 - 1:39 PM PST  
> On January 23, 2006 - 12:21 PM PST hamano wrote:
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Also I didn't wrap a rubber around my unit.
>

...hehehe, too easy...

> Philosophically, according to the classic cyberpunk vision, it would be nice if we didn't actually have to own and carry around physical copies of movies, books and songs and whatnot. They should exist somewhere "out there" and available for use whenever and wherever you need it.>
>
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You could be watching "Totoro" on your iPod. With Disney courting Steve Jobs, that's not such a stretch.
hamano
post #8  on January 23, 2006 - 2:03 PM PST  
> On January 23, 2006 - 1:39 PM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
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> You could be watching "Totoro" on your iPod. With Disney courting Steve Jobs, that's not such a stretch.

That's actually not a stretch at all, since Disney and Ghibli already have a distribution agreement. Buena Vista Japan sells all of Studio Ghibli's films on DVDs in Japan (including Totoro). Disney distributes Ghibli's stuff on DVDs here, with introductions by Pixar founder and Miyazaki buddy John Lasseter. Ghibli (through Buena Vista) just released a DVD of their short films in Japan, so maybe we'll be seeing some of those shorts next to the Pixar shorts at the iTunes store soon...
kohnfused1
post #9  on January 23, 2006 - 4:30 PM PST  
> On January 23, 2006 - 2:03 PM PST hamano wrote:
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>
> That's actually not a stretch at all, since Disney and Ghibli already have a distribution agreement. Buena Vista Japan sells all of Studio Ghibli's films on DVDs in Japan (including Totoro).
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It'd be pretty funny seeing people's reaction to the following scenario: Imagine commuting in to work by bus, train, lightrail, ferry, etc.... you glance at a passenger watching something on his/her iPod, it's Pompoko! There's nothing like watching animated talking racoons with enlarged testicles on your morning commute. That'll wake up some people, no coffee needed.
hamano
post #10  on January 23, 2006 - 7:20 PM PST  
> On January 23, 2006 - 4:30 PM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> it's Pompoko! There's nothing like watching animated talking racoons with enlarged testicles on your morning commute. That'll wake up some people, no coffee needed.
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Sorry to keep busting your balls, kohnnie, but ceramic figures of tanuki with humongoid scrota are a common sight on Japanese streets. They don't talk, but they're all over the place!
Eoliano
post #11  on January 23, 2006 - 7:35 PM PST  
> Sorry to keep busting your balls, kohnnie, but ceramic figures of tanuki with humongoid scrota are a common sight on Japanese streets. They don't talk, but they're all over the place!

Speaking of all over the place, I'd swear that I saw one run from underneath my bed last night... it really gave me a start!

hamano
post #12  on January 23, 2006 - 7:37 PM PST  
> On January 23, 2006 - 7:35 PM PST Eoliano wrote:
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> Speaking of all over the place, I'd swear that I saw one run from underneath my bed last night... it really gave me a start!

Which? An iPod nano, or Steve Jobs?
kohnfused1
post #13  on January 24, 2006 - 8:59 AM PST  
> On January 23, 2006 - 7:37 PM PST hamano wrote:
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> > On January 23, 2006 - 7:35 PM PST Eoliano wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Speaking of all over the place, I'd swear that I saw one run from underneath my bed last night... it really gave me a start!
>
> Which? An iPod nano, or Steve Jobs?
> ---------------------------------

Both

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Sorry to keep busting your balls, kohnnie, but ceramic figures of tanuki with humongoid scrota are a common sight on Japanese streets.
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...just to clarify, I meant here in the good ol' US of A. :-)
hamano
post #14  on January 24, 2006 - 3:19 PM PST  
Well, it's official! Steve gets a 3.7 billion dollar stake in Disney...
dpowers
post #15  on January 25, 2006 - 8:51 AM PST  
jobs is a greedy mega-capitalist! not um that other kind.
kohnfused1
post #16  on January 25, 2006 - 9:02 AM PST  
> On January 24, 2006 - 3:19 PM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Well, it's official! Steve gets a 3.7 billion dollar stake in Disney...
> ---------------------------------

...yey! Pompoko on the iPod! I might just be tempted to buy one.

....might
hamano
post #17  on January 25, 2006 - 9:08 AM PST  
> On January 25, 2006 - 8:51 AM PST dpowers wrote:
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> jobs is a greedy mega-capitalist! not um that other kind.
> ---------------------------------

Well... Bill Gates is kinda "retired" and Jobs isn't yet... I'd say for Gates and say Ted Turner their philanthropies are post-retirement hobbies and a way to use their money to cement their names in some sort of global legacy. Within that sort of personal story arc, I'd say Jobs has a few years yet before he transitions to being that kind of "rich guy"... But they're ALL still greedy mega-capitalists. How much you give to charity is not exactly a measure of greedy mega-capitalism, because the close relationship between charity and greedy mega-capitalism is an American tradition going back to the steel and railroad and other barons of the last century. It isn't like any of these guys are becoming impoverished for giving away their fortunes. If Bill Gates wants to become the next Carnegie, well good for him, but it doesn't make him an ungreedy unmegacapitalist....
dpowers
post #18  on January 25, 2006 - 9:25 AM PST  
and of course there's the other part, where because "bill and melinda" are being kind-hearted, none of the other shareholders have to return a red cent to the soil, and microsoft is free to continue to beat down the emerging FOSS infrastructure with money it saved by evading taxes in creative ways.

there certainly are more than a few minds on this topic out there. is CEO compensation out of control because ordinary people are getting screwed, or because CEOs aren't acting enough like victorian gentlefolk?
hamano
post #19  on January 25, 2006 - 11:02 AM PST  
Oh, I'm sure those Victorian Gentlefolk were busy screwing anything with a hindquarters while they raked in their riches. Probably what made them consider charity was a vestige of piety and a nagging businesslike feeling that maybe they should hedge their bets, just in case there WAS a God, and Hell.

That article you linked bashing Jobs for not giving away his money (yet!) isn't much more than a rant that basically shows the author has some kind of bug up his ass and not much more than that. At least if he was some kind of fire&brimstone preacher he could call on God to punish Jobs unless Jobs repents, but he's a "journalist" so he can't even do that. I haven't read WIRED in a while... does this guy actually have anything close to the stature he seems to think he has?

I do think that Gates thinks about his legacy... he probably thinks about his parents being active with United Way all their lives, and maybe he suspects that there's not going to be much of a Windows legacy... or a Xbox legacy, in human history.
dpowers
post #20  on January 25, 2006 - 11:26 AM PST  
i'm mean - i only link to articles i think are dumb - it's amazing to see this place on the verge of financial and environmental collapse worrying about noblesse oblige and super-rich celebrities' places in history. seriously unless people start scrambling as never before, history will remember us industrial-world-folk-and-north-american-folk-in-partickler as the ones who blew it for everybody after. oh and of course the ones who built those fab new libraries.

but i digress

perhaps it is because i do not enjoy golfing. if i enjoyed golfing i would have greater appreciation for the fine art of turning parents and children into turf fodder to better grow our urgently needed putting greens.

it's just that when people talk about this one person getting 1,000 lifetimes of money for a set of cartoons and their creators, and then there is a little less talk about how 2/3 of the people working for minimum wage ($5.15) are the primary breadwinners in their family, my blood pressure increases and i pass out.
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