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RANDOM ANIME QUESTIONS!!!
Topic by: DBooher
Posted: January 11, 2004 - 2:11 PM PST
Last Reply: September 8, 2005 - 7:19 PM PDT

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author topic: RANDOM ANIME QUESTIONS!!!
DBooher
post #1  on January 11, 2004 - 2:11 PM PST  
I often have questions that don't fit into categories given. Green Ciner's are the best people to ask about anime Q's. (You'd be surprised at how many anime chatrooms members no nothing beyond adult swim)
DBooher
post #2  on January 11, 2004 - 2:13 PM PST  
MY first random anime question:
Are Samurai X and Rurouni Kenshin intertwined? If so, which anime series to you start with? Does it matter???

dpowers
post #3  on January 11, 2004 - 2:29 PM PST  
answer: they're the same. when these things were released on video tape, samurai x was the name given the english dubbed version, while the original japanese audio version kept the original name. with the DVDs you generally get both audio tracks so the name on the package is sort of based on who they're trying to sell it to.

hmm. well the answer is right, they're the same. the rest might be wrong.
Yowanda
post #4  on January 12, 2004 - 6:57 AM PST  
I believe it is that the TV series and OVA are Rurouni Kenshin, and the movies are Samurai X. Something about who released them here?
kenegda
post #5  on January 12, 2004 - 7:10 AM PST  
The OVAs and movie are Samurai X and the TV series is Rurouni Kenshin. The first ovas cover Kenshin's life before the tv series, the movie takes place sometime during the series (if I remember correctly) and the last ova pair are a recap of the TV series. Note: the ovas feature different (more realistic looking) animation than the movie and tv series.
DBooher
post #6  on January 12, 2004 - 10:10 AM PST  
So it doesn't matter which one I start with? X or Kenshin?

dpowers
post #7  on January 12, 2004 - 11:04 AM PST  
personally i think the OVAs are more fun if you've seen some of the television show, there's much much character development in the show that the trust/betrayal pair depends on. i think.
larbeck
post #8  on January 12, 2004 - 12:22 PM PST  
HJobgen, from your icon, I bet you live life heroically and life it with style!
fdguarino
post #9  on January 12, 2004 - 1:17 PM PST  
> On January 12, 2004 - 12:22 PM PST larbeck wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> HJobgen, from your icon, I bet you live life heroically and life it with style!
> ---------------------------------

I think it is a great Utena icon!

- FDGUARINO
markhl
post #10  on January 12, 2004 - 2:52 PM PST  
I think hneline1 tackled this in the distant past.. in a board far far away... (especially since she followed the manga as well) But I'll be a poor man's hneline1 until she gets around to checking this board..

Anyway, definitely watch Rurouni Kenshin the TV series first because I think the OVA's, while being chronologically earlier (at least Trust & Betrayal), are even that much better when you're familiar with the character already. [i.e. would you want to know the past of someone you don't know yet? - although it does stand alone pretty well] I think Samurai X The Motion Picture supposedly takes place before the "Kyoto arc" ~ vol. 8 (but it really didn't matter to me - hell, you can even skip this one I think).. The Trust & Betrayal OVA's (under the "Samurai X" category - OVA 1 and 2) I think works best after finishing Kenshin's journey in Kyoto ~ vol. 14. You COULD watch T&B right before the Kyoto portion I suppose since it explains why Kyoto is so significant for Kenshin but because of stylistic difference between the TV and the OVA's, I wouldn't want to interrupt the flow of the series by doing so... The last one, Samurai X: Reflection is obviously the absolute last one to watch of course. Some complain but after watching so many DVDs, it was a nice blend of familiar memories and a thoughtful finish for moi - more of a sentimental watch than for anything else really...

Have fun getting all the DVDs in order! You have lots of work ahead of you but it wasn't that popular for no reason...

P.S. After you watch the series, you'll know why there's all this pre-Kyoto, post-Kyoto business. As in real-estate, I suppose it's location location location!



> On January 12, 2004 - 10:10 AM PST DBooher wrote:
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> So it doesn't matter which one I start with? X or Kenshin?
>
>
> ---------------------------------

hamano
post #11  on January 12, 2004 - 2:56 PM PST  
> On January 12, 2004 - 10:10 AM PST DBooher wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> So it doesn't matter which one I start with? X or Kenshin?
> ---------------------------------

Start with the Kenshin TV series. Watch it through the Kyoto Arc with Shishio and the Juppon-Gatana. Then watch the Trust/Betrayal OVAs (or the Director's Cut).

You can just end things there and move on to other shows, or if you're still really hooked on Kenshin, then start again on the TV series. At this point, the TV episodes and any remaining Movies or OVAs are pretty dispensable, in my opinion. Once Saito is out of the picture, Kenshin loses momentum, and everything feels like it's filler. Believe me, I've sat through every second of every release, praying for a glimmer of Kenshin at his prime, but after the Kyoto Arc and the original OVAs there's not much to see. Maybe one or two bridge episodes that come between story arcs that aren't essential to the Kenshin story but are well made and very funny.
DBooher
post #12  on January 12, 2004 - 5:05 PM PST  
Wow! Thanks you guys!!!!
larbeck
post #13  on January 12, 2004 - 5:08 PM PST  
> On January 12, 2004 - 1:17 PM PST fdguarino wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I think it is a great Utena icon!
>
Yes, indeed, Fdhuarino! - that line is a quote from the English translation of "Revolution", the opening song. While your icon make me want to forget that game and have a lot of fun arguing about the rule with a big but sweet Tiger.
markhl
post #14  on January 12, 2004 - 5:30 PM PST  
DBooher.. you can fill us in on what you thought after you finish everything by.. saaaaay... july? august maybe... Ooo.. just wait 'till the famous "firefly scene".. wish I could watch all over again for the first time.. proud to say.. I did not shed a tear..

> On January 12, 2004 - 2:56 PM PST hamano wrote:
> You can just end things there and move on to other shows, or if you're still really hooked on Kenshin, then start again on the TV series. At this point, the TV episodes and any remaining Movies or OVAs are pretty dispensable, in my opinion.

Same here except for the last OVA which I think puts a cap on the epic journey that it is to watch. After that many hours, you want some closure damn it! (even if it could've been better) Well, those episodes past Kyoto were more of a filler from what I hear anyway. Too bad that season sucked enough that we never got to the so-called "revenge arc" that the Kenshin manga went thru in anime form. From what I hear, that's pretty much up to, or at least near, the quality of the Kyoto arc... (on a side note, the dubber guy for Shishio sure had an interesting sense of humor in the outtakes :))

you knew that the third season was going to suck when... (feel free to put one of your own here)

They recycled the OP theme blatantly from the popular second season and just replaced some characters appearances.. egad.. I still have that bad taste in my mouth...
hamano
post #15  on January 13, 2004 - 4:24 AM PST  
> On January 12, 2004 - 5:30 PM PST markhl wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Same here except for the last OVA which I think puts a cap on the epic journey that it is to watch. After that many hours, you want some closure damn it! (even if it could've been better)
> ---------------------------------

It was pretty funny markhl put up the same advice just minutes before I did! I got some HIKAGO stickers for you, markhl... I need snailmail access. I also saw a HIKAGO New Year's Special, which hasn't been fansubbed yet! It was pretty good, I've got it on VHS, no subtitles. It seemed to be an interim episode/movie leading up to that Junior Pro Tournament being set up between Japan, Korea and China. Akira is on the Japanese team automatically, but top junior pros have to compete for the other two spots on the team including Hikaru and friends, Ochi, and a new 16 year old go genius from Osaka (or Kyoto). Isumi is too old to compete in this one. It's just like an extended episode 76.

I disagree with markhl on the value of seeing the last OAV, though. This is not the kind of closure I wanted to see! If you were a Kenshin fan who was let down by that load of crap about the underground ninja lake and that whole sorry arc about the Japanese feng shui master battling the foreign feng shui masters, maybe in your darkest moments you envisioned Kenshin falling into the kind of personal hell envisioned in the last OAV. Stylistically, the last OAV clones the look and feel of the original Trust/Betrayal OAV masterpiece. But the original was greatly helped because it was a PREquel that looked back to a time when Kenshin was the legendary hitokiri battousai. Sure Enishi is thrown in to provide a bit of flash, but It Doesn't Work! Enishi should have been given a season to himself on the TV show run. I've heard his story arc in the comics are pretty cool. Anyway, what works for the tragedy that created our hero fails in telling the tale of the end of his life. You'd have to be some kind of tragi-fetishist to enjoy the last OAV.

Instead of a last duel between a geriatric Kenshin and gray haired Saito (man, that would have been a great plot for a last OAV! Kenshin and Saito bust up a Imperial Russian Spy Ring together, then have enough time left over for a final contest!) we get treated to the sight of Kenshin broken by a series of unfortunate events. He gets some kind of icky VD (the result of one of his duels? he got that close to some opponent? eeeeew!) and he infects Kaoru with the same icky VD while impregnating her, he hobbles off for the continent leaving festering Kaoru alone to raise their son, he ends up living like a hermit on some foreign beach, icky VD eating his brain, he finally gets a ticket home, then falls off the ship.... etc etc until SPOILERS! he finally makes it back to Kaoru and he dies in her arms! It's like the plot from some hack Shoujo manga series condensed to movie length and cast with Kenshin characters! ICK ICK ICK!

Take my initial advice! Pretend Kenshin is only made up of the TV show to the end of the Kyoto arc and the original OAVs. You'll be much better off!
Yowanda
post #16  on January 13, 2004 - 10:28 AM PST  
> On January 12, 2004 - 1:17 PM PST fdguarino wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On January 12, 2004 - 12:22 PM PST larbeck wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > HJobgen, from your icon, I bet you live life heroically and life it with style!
> > ---------------------------------
>

Hee-hee, I do what I can! :)

> I think it is a great Utena icon!
>
> - FDGUARINO
> ---------------------------------

Thank you!

IronS
post #17  on January 13, 2004 - 2:25 PM PST  
> On January 13, 2004 - 4:24 AM PST hamano wrote:
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> icky eeeeew! icky icky ICK ICK ICK!
>

For once it's not me who is going on about the ickiness of something. ;)
I don't think it's VD but TB and a permanent case of hives (my skin would look like that when I have an allegic reaction to wine but it wouldn't last that long in my case).

> Take my initial advice! Pretend Kenshin is only made up of the TV show to the end of the Kyoto arc and the original OAVs. You'll be much better off!
> ---------------------------------

The very last episode of the Kyoto arc foreshadows Samurai X: Reflection although it seems that the writers decided on the most tragic results. I like the very last episode of the TV series during which Kenshin and Kaoru reach an understanding of sorts.
hamano
post #18  on January 13, 2004 - 2:42 PM PST  
> On January 13, 2004 - 2:25 PM PST IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
I like the very last episode of the TV series during which Kenshin and Kaoru reach an understanding of sorts.
> ---------------------------------

I liked the one where they're travelling and they run out of money and Kaoru is asked to pose for an artist! Was that after the Kyoto Arc?

IronS, I thought in that LAST episode, K and K finally got lucky and quietly humped in that house by the beach, not "reach an understanding of sorts"...although I had to rewatch it 3 times to make sure that's really what happened. Chart the looseness of Kaoru's yukata through the night... Maybe Ken-chan went out for a smoke afterwards...
hamano
post #19  on January 13, 2004 - 2:44 PM PST  
> On January 13, 2004 - 2:25 PM PST IronS wrote:
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> my skin would look like that when I have an allegic reaction to wine
> ---------------------------------

Does that itch? Or hurt? Poor IronS... but icky, eeeew, ick ick!
markhl
post #20  on January 13, 2004 - 2:57 PM PST  
oh my... hamano.. forgot about the Spoiler Alert huh? Still, it's not as bad as SOMEONE's (who shall remain nameless) momentous post about NGE ...

Well in any case, I think the last OVA was quite interesting because of the different perspective. Kaoru comes out from behind the shadows and we see things from her perspective. I thought that and the more pensive mood were nice changes despite some of the weaknesses of it. Even if they don't stand too well on their own, sometimes closure movies/ovas after epic series like Macross '84 - Do you remember love, Kimagure Orange Road - I want to return to that day, and the last Kenshin OVA are necessary. It allows me to get past the absorbing series with a sense of contentment - kind of like organizing and putting photographs of a trip or event..

Despite having watched them but I can't say that I recall a sense of conclusion between Kenshin and Kaoru from the last few TV episodes (of course, the RK lost me by the middle of the last season so I could've just missed it just watching casually) IronS. Hmm.. did either of you shed any tears during the "firefly" scene? melodramatic and a bit cliche perhaps but I still remember that one vividly (even with the prematurely senile brain that I seem to have developed). I almost feel a tear coming on now...
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