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Hellsing
Topic by: Lithium
Posted: January 16, 2004 - 10:42 PM PST
Last Reply: April 19, 2005 - 8:29 AM PDT

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author topic: Hellsing
Lithium
post #1  on January 16, 2004 - 10:42 PM PST  
I was just wondering if anyone has been able to rent this series from greencine. I've had them in a personal series cue for like a couple of months now at the top of my list but I've only got the first dvd so far. Anyone been able to catch these?
jeffs
post #2  on January 17, 2004 - 12:21 PM PST  
Yeah, I rented the entire series back in August. Not much of a delay either between the first and last.

> On January 16, 2004 - 10:42 PM PST Lithium wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I was just wondering if anyone has been able to rent this series from greencine. I've had them in a personal series cue for like a couple of months now at the top of my list but I've only got the first dvd so far. Anyone been able to catch these?
> ---------------------------------

hamano
post #3  on January 17, 2004 - 2:44 PM PST  
Me, too. I rented the entire series from GreenCine over a 2 week period, from the last week of May through the first 2 weeks of June, 2003. Back then I was still on a 2 out plan, so I guess I was really lucky...
scottyg
post #4  on January 17, 2004 - 3:02 PM PST  
Hellsing was the first anime I rented from Greencine, last fall, and I got all 4 discs within 3 weeks I think. It was most excellent, BTW.
Lithium
post #5  on January 18, 2004 - 9:34 PM PST  
Thats weird. They still havent sent me any since I got the first dvd over a month ago.
hamano
post #6  on January 19, 2004 - 5:57 AM PST  
Hmmm.... we all rented Hellsing BEFORE the personal series thing came into existence... I didn't even put all the titles in my queue... I just added the next Hellsing DVD each time I sent one back. That means I didn't have ANY Hellsing (or Berserk for that matter) title sitting on my queue for weeks or even days on end.

Maybe this just means that GC's Hellsing inventory is down from lost/broken discs, or there's now more demand?
larbeck
post #7  on January 19, 2004 - 7:50 AM PST  
I think someone has been talking. I heard it was GOOOOD.

Now you will NEVER get it! NEVER!

muuhahahahahaha!
fdguarino
post #8  on January 19, 2004 - 12:58 PM PST  
I own a set of Hellsing DVDs and while it is one of my favorites, I've always put in the "could have been great" catagory instead of the "is great" cat'. I think the concept is very cool and the script is pretty good, but the art work is only fair and the story line has some pretty big holes. It, like Berserk, come to an rather abrupt "out of money so let's wrap it up" type ending. I guess it was not popular enough in Japan. Still, I do recommend it as it is entertaining.

-FDGUARINO
dpowers
post #9  on January 19, 2004 - 2:41 PM PST  
2D anime is overrated. real vampire killers do it 3D
hamano
post #10  on January 19, 2004 - 3:03 PM PST  
> On January 19, 2004 - 2:41 PM PST dpowers wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> 2D anime is overrated. real vampire killers do it 3D
> ---------------------------------

Hugh Jackman looks pretty cool, but Buffy's much cuter. Besides, the central character in Hellsing is Arucard, that's Dracula spelled backwards, the ultimate vampire with almost infinite powers. I think that's what I found the weakest about Hellsing. Every time Arucard faced a new, stronger foe, all he had to do was recite a spell unlocking one more level of self-inhibition and voila, he'd be the strongest again. If the hero is TOO invincible the story stops being fun...
hamano
post #11  on January 19, 2004 - 3:15 PM PST  
OOOPs!!!! Sorry Lithium! SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT! Don't read any of the above if you are Lithium!
hamano
post #12  on January 19, 2004 - 3:20 PM PST  
OK, I sent a warning e-mail to Lithium, who's the only one on this thread who hasn't seen Hellsing past volume 1 yet.
jross3
post #13  on January 19, 2004 - 3:52 PM PST  
> On January 19, 2004 - 3:03 PM PST hamano wrote:
> Besides, the central character in Hellsing is Arucard, that's Dracula spelled backwards, the ultimate vampire with almost infinite powers. I think that's what I found the weakest about Hellsing...-*spoiler cut*-
> ---------------------------------

Well, Alucard's real power is being cool. From all the movies and anime I've seen, I think Alucard's the single coolest vampire - or vampire hunter, even - that I've yet seen. Let's face it, they just can't kill him because they aren't as cool. It doesn't matter how powerful they are. The enemies are all cool, but Alucard's cooler. He even got a pretty cool English dub - which is good for him, 'cuz he'd have been in trouble if he sounded stupid, and then things would have really changed.
Alucard's coolness is the whole cool root system that holds the great cool tree of Hellsing up, because one of the cool things about Hellsing is that the vampires are the good guys. Well, sort of anyway. But you want Alucard and his side to win, when they're really bad bad people. Why? Because they're cool! They should win! So you root for their team! That's why I was so able to enjoy the show. Sure, it's a bit of a killjoy that Alucard's so powerful that nobody can ever kill him, but he's cool enough to keep it fun when he wins, and that's what's important. (case and point: his finishing move in the last fight scene. Pretty cool.)

Alucard even sounds cool; say it: "Alucard". It's some kind of cool fated coincidence that Dracula spelled backwards still makes a really cool name for a cool vampire. Cool, huh?
hamano
post #14  on January 19, 2004 - 4:10 PM PST  
I thought the show was sorely lacking in the area of fan service, which, considering the kind of show Hellsing was, would not have been out of place and would have benefitted the show considerably. I mean, what the heck, didn't Seras Victoria ever need to take a bath? She should have gone for a good steam instead of moping so much over a little bowl of blood. Actually, it would have been funny if Seras started stalking that bossy Integra for a little suckie on her neckie.

Actually, thinking back over Vampire Hunter D and Shingetsutan Tsukihime, I think vampire anime in general may have squandered many chances for good fan service. There are whole subgenres of live action vampire films that have explored vampire sexuality, lesbianism, and nakedness, from The Hunger to Vampiros Lesbos....
larbeck
post #15  on January 19, 2004 - 4:34 PM PST  
> On January 19, 2004 - 3:20 PM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> OK, I sent a warning e-mail to Lithium, who's the only one on this thread who hasn't seen Hellsing past volume 1 yet.
> ---------------------------------

Actually, I have seen a single frame myself. But that's okay, I won't any new slots available in my queue until Kanzaki Akari becomes the Cosmo Beauty.

I really do love that opening song though!
fdguarino
post #16  on January 19, 2004 - 6:07 PM PST  
SPOILER ALERT.

The reverse spelling of Dracula is nothing new. Son of Dracula (1943) used it as well. I noticed that the DVD case spells it Arucard, but it is pronounced Alacard in the anime. I can only guess that they did not want to make it too obvious.

I want to go in to detail about what I felt was wrong with the series since I didn't want to do a bunch of spoilers for those who haven't seen it yet. But I'll block this so:

One of the big problems is that in every fight Alacard lets himself get beat up/torn apart/decapitated, just to recover and win. This gets old by the end of the series.

Too many cases where one character is just standing around watching while the others fight for their lives and/or get killed.

One of the main problem is that the non-vampire members of Hellsing are pretty much useless red-shirt cannon fodder blood banks for the vampires. How did they survive before the got Alacard? I think there is a couple of shots where they actually kill a vampire instead of Alacard, Seras or Walter, but not enough to convice me that they have any real skill at it. I would think that a organization dedicated to the hunting of vampires would actually be able to kill a few without having to always resort to their ace in the hole.

In once episode, Walter comments to Seras that she should avoid daylight, but in later episodes, both her and Alacard are walking/running around in daylight. Consistancy is important to me.

Oh well, I guess I just a sucker for vampire stories :-).

-FDGUARINO



fdguarino
post #17  on January 19, 2004 - 6:08 PM PST  
What about the scene with Integra and Carmilla? That wasn't enough?


> On January 19, 2004 - 4:10 PM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I thought the show was sorely lacking in the area of fan service, which, considering the kind of show Hellsing was, would not have been out of place and would have benefitted the show considerably. I mean, what the heck, didn't Seras Victoria ever need to take a bath? She should have gone for a good steam instead of moping so much over a little bowl of blood. Actually, it would have been funny if Seras started stalking that bossy Integra for a little suckie on her neckie.
>
> Actually, thinking back over Vampire Hunter D and Shingetsutan Tsukihime, I think vampire anime in general may have squandered many chances for good fan service. There are whole subgenres of live action vampire films that have explored vampire sexuality, lesbianism, and nakedness, from The Hunger to Vampiros Lesbos....
> ---------------------------------

jross3
post #18  on January 19, 2004 - 9:59 PM PST  
> On January 19, 2004 - 6:07 PM PST fdguarino wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> SPOILER ALERT.
>
> One of the big problems is that in every fight Alacard lets himself get beat up/torn apart/decapitated, just to recover and win. This gets old by the end of the series.

Well, if you were immortal, it would be boring to use more power than really necessary to kill your enemies over countless centuries. It'd be like swatting flies for all eternity. Alucard plays with them then kills them, like a cat plays with a mouse. We've all seen this before. It lacks the life-or death intensity, or when it does it's anti-climatic when they inevidably get serious and make with the death... But Alucard does it so well that I can't be mad at him! Sorry if I'm so biased :-)

>I would think that a organization dedicated to the hunting of vampires would actually be able to kill a few without having to always resort to their ace in the hole.

That's an easy one. If they held back too much they'd suffer casualties. With vampires on the front lines taking any hits, no casualties (or if there are, they're vampires, and it saves you some trouble later maybe)

> In once episode, Walter comments to Seras that she should avoid daylight, but in later episodes, both her and Alacard are walking/running around in daylight

Well, they say too much sunlight is bad for you. I suppose if you live forever you should avoid it as your total exposure will increase indefinately until the end of time, and try living out eternity with skin cancer. Sounds like a pain. Maybe it works like that for vampires in this anime. It's a lot more convienant for the studio then having them burst into flames, ya know?

hamano
post #19  on January 20, 2004 - 5:49 AM PST  
> On January 19, 2004 - 6:08 PM PST fdguarino wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> What about the scene with Integra and Carmilla? That wasn't enough?

Compared to the scenes between Susan Sarandon and Catherine Deneuve (and her body double) in The Hunger? No, not nearly enough. Those scenes with Integra was just a nasty little tease.

I'm tending to agree with jross that the whole character, and the show itself, boiled down to a matter of style...That line of thought suckered me into buying the entire SoulTaker series, which personally I think is way cooler than Hellsing. But when you have shows that hinge on style, it sinks or swims depending on the viewer's personal tastes. Hellsing just didn't make the grade for me, I guess, but for people who like that kind of attitude, graphics and music, the show would give a lot of mileage.
dh22
post #20  on January 20, 2004 - 7:10 AM PST  
> On January 20, 2004 - 5:49 AM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
But when you have shows that hinge on style, it sinks or swims depending on the viewer's personal tastes. Hellsing just didn't make the grade for me, I guess, but for people who like that kind of attitude, graphics and music, the show would give a lot of mileage.
> ---------------------------------

I absolutely agree. And it did work for me.
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