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Rahxephon is better than Neon Genesis...much better
Topic by: KPman1
Posted: September 11, 2004 - 6:09 AM PDT
Last Reply: December 5, 2004 - 1:33 PM PST

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author topic: Rahxephon is better than Neon Genesis...much better
KPman1
post #1  on September 11, 2004 - 6:09 AM PDT  
Neon Genesis is OK, but Rahxephon is completely absorbing. There are a lot of similarities, but the devil is in the details and Rahxephon does a lot better job with them.

NGE fans wallow under the weight of my wisdom.
hamano
post #2  on September 11, 2004 - 8:11 AM PDT  
Yeah, in exactly the same way that Dual is better than Argentosoma!
roadwarrior
post #3  on September 11, 2004 - 10:44 AM PDT  
> On September 11, 2004 - 6:09 AM PDT KPman1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Neon Genesis is OK, but Rahxephon is completely absorbing. There are a lot of similarities, but the devil is in the details and Rahxephon does a lot better job with them.
>
> NGE fans wallow under the weight of my wisdom.
> ---------------------------------


Not to mention being absolutely beautiful from a visual perspective.

R.
Catullus
post #4  on September 11, 2004 - 12:08 PM PDT  
hmm actually agree with you on this one.

Rahxephon Advantages:

1) No Shinji
2) No stupid power cords attached to giant robots of death
3) Better Animation
4) Way better music
5) Awesome voice acting
6) More interesting story (NGE was pretty much fight stupid angel after stupid angel and the eps focused more on that til the end when it wrapped it up in one of the worst tv show endings ever)
AFleming
post #5  on September 13, 2004 - 5:05 AM PDT  
OMG, I want you all to come to my next anime club meeting and explain this to the really loud obnoxious guy who constantly complains about how RahXephon is just a rip off of Eva during the viewing. Jebus man, SHUT-UP! Argh. Lets hear him say that to Ayato's face! Ayato could fart and Shinji would DIE! I really like both shows. My stance is: well, there are similarities (hey, that's what a genre is after all), but RahXephon is a well done rip-off.
DBooher
post #6  on September 13, 2004 - 9:51 AM PDT  
> On September 13, 2004 - 5:05 AM PDT AFleming wrote:
> ---------------------------------
RahXephon is a well done rip-off.

Yup.

roadwarrior
post #7  on September 13, 2004 - 12:48 PM PDT  
> On September 13, 2004 - 9:51 AM PDT DBooher wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On September 13, 2004 - 5:05 AM PDT AFleming wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> RahXephon is a well done rip-off.
>
> Yup.
>
>
> ---------------------------------

Everything is a rip-off of something else, when reduced to its basic elements. As it says in the Judeo-Christian bible (somewhere), "There is no new thing under the sun."

R.
hamano
post #8  on September 13, 2004 - 12:56 PM PDT  
I kinda want to see Ayato smother Shinji with farts....
DBooher
post #9  on September 13, 2004 - 1:03 PM PDT  
> On September 13, 2004 - 12:48 PM PDT roadwarrior wrote:
> ---------------------------------


>
> Everything is a rip-off of something else, when reduced to its basic elements. As it says in the Judeo-Christian bible (somewhere), "There is no new thing under the sun."
>
Yes.
But they're not all "Well done."
Which was my point.

JBellows
post #10  on September 13, 2004 - 3:00 PM PDT  
Sometimes, the student becomes the master. And sometimes, just sometimes, the teacher can learn something from the student. And maybe, just maybe, when I got off my high, I will find my car. Oh wait. I don't have a car. Its all a dream. It never really happened because my life is being written by Hideaki Anno...as...we...speak!

And really, wasn't Excel Saga just a better rip off of the secret command center conspiracy anime than either Rax or NGE?

> On September 13, 2004 - 9:51 AM PDT DBooher wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On September 13, 2004 - 5:05 AM PDT AFleming wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> RahXephon is a well done rip-off.
>
> Yup.
>
>
> ---------------------------------

JBellows
post #11  on September 13, 2004 - 3:07 PM PDT  
The Christian Knights Society is an improvement on the American Nazi Party, a rip off still but a much better organization, actually garnering public support and getting funding. But their bake sales suck. Those angel food cakes (get the pun, Angels, huh huh?) are always stale. And I always get thrown out when I yell, "Hey, look, Buddhists!" (Skin heads, swastika, chants, put it together.) Now I'll never go to a free BBQ.---This is coming from a guy who went to a Jewish party dressed in an SS uniform. On Halloween. They loved it. (SS uniform courtesy of Halloween Direct on Market...they still open or only during Halloween?)

> On September 13, 2004 - 5:05 AM PDT AFleming wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> OMG, I want you all to come to my next anime club meeting and explain this to the really loud obnoxious guy who constantly complains about how RahXephon is just a rip off of Eva during the viewing. Jebus man, SHUT-UP! Argh. Lets hear him say that to Ayato's face! Ayato could fart and Shinji would DIE! I really like both shows. My stance is: well, there are similarities (hey, that's what a genre is after all), but RahXephon is a well done rip-off.
> ---------------------------------

KPman1
post #12  on September 13, 2004 - 4:01 PM PDT  
The structure of the two animes is very similar, but the characters, relationships, and themes are just as important (maybe more) and the two shows have significant differences in that respect. Also, Rahxephon is visually very distinct from NGE.

Otherwise you wouldn't need to watch the shows. You could just read a one or two sentence summary: Teen driven mechas fight enemies. There's some teenage issues like angst and alienation...You know.

Rip off is a an overly used term used too broadly and loosely. If I was to use it like that, I could say things like all mysteries are a rip off of Edgar Allen Poe stories. Spiderman and Blade are a ripoff of Superman. Quentin Tarrantino, George Lucas, Akira Kurosawa are merely ripoff artists. Tolkien ripped off ancient stories and most fantasy writers ripped off Tolkien.

There's a big difference between borrowing elements, adapting something, and merely ripping it off. Similarities between a previous work doesn't even mean the new work has no or less value. It simply means that someone has infringed upon the author's rights. When a work is distinct enough, or when enough time has passed, or when the author of the new work purchases a license ripping off shouldn't be an issue.

Rahxephon not only builds upon NGE, but it isn't even close to violating NGE's copyright.
Domitalk
post #13  on October 9, 2004 - 12:48 AM PDT  
no f-in way
Domitalk
post #14  on October 9, 2004 - 12:50 AM PDT  
the point is that eva was a breakthrough. the first of its kind. you can't compare rahxephon becuase thats like saying bladerunner was as good as star wars becuase everythign has already been done and the follow ups could improve on it. no it is about ingenueity, for doing something that no one dared to do though rahxephon was a great anime neon genesis was a breakthrou
KPman1
post #15  on October 9, 2004 - 2:08 AM PDT  
> On October 9, 2004 - 12:50 AM PDT Domitalk wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> the point is that eva was a breakthrough. the first of its kind. you can't compare rahxephon becuase thats like saying bladerunner was as good as star wars becuase everythign has already been done and the follow ups could improve on it. no it is about ingenueity, for doing something that no one dared to do though rahxephon was a great anime neon genesis was a breakthrou
> ---------------------------------

I can compare Rahxephon to Neon Genesis and I even have a good reason. A lot of people on line make comments about how flawless Neon Genesis is, that Rahxephon didn't bring in anything new and important, and that in any event Neon Genesis is the better anime.

However, you make a strong case that regardless of which one is better, Neon Genesis is more influencial and innovative.

My point was that being the first isn't the same as being the best or even necessarily any good. I guess were on the same page.

Bladerunner by the way was better than Star Wars, but Bladerunner may owe as much or more to movies labeled as film Noir as it does to Star Wars.

Also, I can always play devil's advocate (or even more so in my case) and ask how you define first. Which should we define as first Mobile Suit Gundam or Rahxephon? Which was first Hidden Fortress or Star Wars?


Ayato
post #16  on October 14, 2004 - 7:31 AM PDT  
> On September 11, 2004 - 6:09 AM PDT KPman1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Neon Genesis is OK, but Rahxephon is completely absorbing. There are a lot of similarities, but the devil is in the details and Rahxephon does a lot better job with them.
> ---------------------------------

YES. This man is correct-a-mundo
NLee
post #17  on October 14, 2004 - 9:03 AM PDT  
When the NG Evangelion series first came out in 1995-1996, I saw the first two episdoes on VHS tape and was completely hooked. Never before have I seen a "giant-robt" anime that explores such a wide range of human emotions. Never before have I seen such lean, mean, fighting machines (Back then, all giant robots are supposed to look like, well, robots). Never before have I heard such excellent classical music soundtracks in an anime (not counting Macross Plus, which I haven't seen at that time)....

I went to great length to search for the other episodes. Some of the episodes were downloaded from FTP sites (Al Gore hasn't invented Internet back then). Others I have to buy on VCDs while visiting Cailfornia. Finally, I collected the complete series. It is indeed the most powerful series I have ever seen, but the ending leaves much to be desired.

Then finally, I got my hand on the movie edition "End of Evangelion". I sat infront of my computer to watch the poor quality VCD version. To this day, I still know who's right and who's wrong, but the ending scared me forever. It was violent. It was disturbing. It was, above all, unforgetable.

Fast forward to 2003. I saw the first disc of Rahxephen. It is not bad. Lots of borrowed elemnts from EVA. Lots of CGI. Lots of Jazz music. Lots of the typical anime characters. Yeah yeah been there done that. I lost interest and cannot force myself to finish the second disc. Maybe this series could be better than Evangelion, but I'll never know.
hamano
post #18  on October 14, 2004 - 9:20 AM PDT  
Well, I'm a Darwinist not a Creationist, so although I agree with NLee that NGE was the first "Holy S**t" Giant Robot anime show, evolution is the key to happiness.

RahXephon was OK, but the ultimate is Gunbuster 2! This is the culmination of the process that took us through NGE, Gunbuster1, FLCL, Dual, RahXephon, GadGuard, and Big O! Well, it's not so good if you're into bishies, so maybe AFleming should stay with RahXephon... but for now, Gunbuster 2 rules!
NLee
post #19  on October 14, 2004 - 9:41 AM PDT  
> On October 14, 2004 - 9:20 AM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> RahXephon was OK, but the ultimate is Gunbuster 2! This is the culmination of the process that took us through NGE, Gunbuster1, FLCL, Dual, RahXephon, GadGuard, and Big O!
> ---------------------------------

Except that Gunbuster was made in 1988, seven years before Evangelion. In fact, it was directed by a young Anno Hideaki - before he developed his depression/suicidal tendency in EVA.

What's your fetish with "Big O", anyway?
hamano
post #20  on October 14, 2004 - 9:56 AM PDT  
> On October 14, 2004 - 9:41 AM PDT NLee wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Except that Gunbuster was made in 1988, seven years before Evangelion.

I'm talking about Gunbuster 2 (Toppu wo nerae 2!), the GAINAX 20th Anniversary Project, now being released in Japan (and on fansubs)!!

> What's your fetish with "Big O", anyway?

It was really really funny. Also funny was how some people couldn't see the humor in it.... Gunbuster 2 is hilarious, too.
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