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I Want to Kick ADV in the Face.
Topic by: EmpressStephanie
Posted: December 28, 2004 - 8:53 AM PST
Last Reply: January 16, 2007 - 3:29 PM PST

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author topic: I Want to Kick ADV in the Face.
EmpressStephanie
post #1  on December 28, 2004 - 8:53 AM PST  
So first it was Super Gals... I sat on the edge of my seat for 26 epsiodes... only to have NOTING happen. Why is it that nothing happened? Because Super Gals is a 2 season anime and ADV licensed the whole anime and only printed one season. Making it virtually impossible to see the second season because subbers drop it. They claim that the second season will come out sometime next year but that rumor has yet to be confirmed and at this point all we can do is hope.

Now Kaleido Star another 2 season anime is meeting the same fate. I'm totally sick of that happening. You get into an anime, you get to caring about the characters and then you get no closure. I can understand the business aspect of it, why do 2 seasons when the first season might not do well. But still it's frustrating for fans. I'm just venting because I'm bitter.
jross3
post #2  on December 28, 2004 - 10:21 AM PST  
Similar story for Saiyuki. in this case, ADV only lisenced the first two seasons (of an anime that may never even end, for all I know). Just incidentally, Geneon lisenced the next part, Saiyuki Reload. I have my doubts about it, of course.... and you should too. ADV's version had a pretty good dub. I don't think Geneon would be able to get the same cast and crew together for it (but I can hope).
Catullus
post #3  on December 28, 2004 - 11:46 AM PST  
Now you know why I hate them so much ^_^

Id rather stab them in the face but kicking works too.
markhl
post #4  on December 28, 2004 - 12:31 PM PST  
Hmm.. ADV is a decent company with quite a few good people in my opinion. Perhaps I'm cutting them some slack because they started bringing things over before all these other companies even realized that anime would sell in the US. This happens with international films too and various hollywood studios. Unless a company starts collecting foreign intellectual property for remake/distribution and just lets it sit on the shelf for a while, we probably should be a little more understanding..

Hmm.. maybe it's the holiday season. It's benevolent markhl today..
AFleming
post #5  on December 28, 2004 - 1:27 PM PST  
> On December 28, 2004 - 12:31 PM PST markhl wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Hmm.. ADV is a decent company with quite a few good people in my opinion. Perhaps I'm cutting them some slack because they started bringing things over before all these other companies even realized that anime would sell in the US. This happens with international films too and various hollywood studios. Unless a company starts collecting foreign intellectual property for remake/distribution and just lets it sit on the shelf for a while, we probably should be a little more understanding..
>
> Hmm.. maybe it's the holiday season. It's benevolent markhl today..
> ---------------------------------

Nah... ADV sucks! Mwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
AstroNerdBoy
post #6  on December 28, 2004 - 1:34 PM PST  
ADV has been doing a lot of license hoarding over the past couple of years. They've been trying to keep everyone else from scoring titles in part because of their Anime Network. I think they just want to corner the anime market. Fortunately, other companies have been able to score good titles too. FUNimation, which does have dub troubles, has the superior subtitles and they scored two canon Tenchi titles which is cool. ^_^
RandomEvent
post #7  on December 28, 2004 - 1:54 PM PST  
> On December 28, 2004 - 1:34 PM PST AstroNerdBoy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> ADV has been doing a lot of license hoarding over the past couple of years. They've been trying to keep everyone else from scoring titles in part because of their Anime Network. I think they just want to corner the anime market. Fortunately, other companies have been able to score good titles too. FUNimation, which does have dub troubles, has the superior subtitles and they scored two canon Tenchi titles which is cool. ^_^
> ---------------------------------

I actually like FUNi when they're not doing Dragonball crap

As for ADV I can't say I'm real impressed.
jross3
post #8  on December 28, 2004 - 2:34 PM PST  
In ADV's defense, their DVDs are always well designed. Good menus and such, and the cases usually look pretty nice. They always include a lot of previews (although I have often really disliked the way they do a lot of their previews....), and their extras are usually pretty good - in the case of Saiyuki, there were extensive cultural background notes and info on the classic Saiyuki and the characters. I've never been that fond of the line-art galleries, but I don't think I've seen more than a few ADV discs without them. I'm certainly glad that ADV publishes anime... it's the "not publishing" thing that bugs me. I didn't even know there was a second season of Super Gals until just now...
jross3
post #9  on December 28, 2004 - 2:35 PM PST  
And I really, really liked the easter egg hunt on that one Excel Saga disc. I've never had so much fun navigating a DVD menu.
Catullus
post #10  on December 28, 2004 - 5:11 PM PST  
so a couple of you want to defend adv? good luck with that one, next up why not try defending Scott Peterson as a good human being.

Basically adv is a company full of complete *******'s who enjoy waiting til the 25 episode before licensing madlax and then threatening to sue anyone who would dare to release 26 (hahaha adv i downloaded it from animefin anyway), thus making fansubbers and fans who respect licenses wait a year or two to finish the series. (i don't even like madlax but thats the kind of company adv is)
ug
Yeah basically if you are an anime fan, particularly a fansub anime fan, you will hate adv with a burning passion, they are the great unholy satan.

Also ADV licenses some good anime, but they also license crap like sister princess, ufo princess warukyure and divergence eve and in 2 of the 3 cases just sit on the license and never release it. Or in the case with DNangel take forever to do so.

It should be noted that I hold adv and the Riaa in the same regards (althoh I dont even listen to american music because to be honest I think 99% of it sucks badly) because they are so heavy handed with their threats and the suing and lawyers. Basically its worse with ADV cuz they are so damn slow in releasing anime and they expect you to wait a year or more after the show finishes in Japan before you can even watch it all. I would understand the delays if they did a good job dubbing it, but american dubs are a whole other realm of suckitude, hell I could get a group of people and do a better job dubbing the whole thing in 2 weeks.

Too bad for adv that all there tactics can't stop the determined anime fanatic.
markhl
post #11  on December 28, 2004 - 5:39 PM PST  
errr... 'tis the season to be joll... y...
markhl
post #12  on December 28, 2004 - 5:54 PM PST  
But... you guys do realize that ADV is a company and not a philanthropic organization right? :)

As much as I endorse fansubbing groups and enjoy their works, I don't think it's possible to argue "what's right" with a company that owns the licensed product. As much as the timing sucks, etc.. etc.. how can you, in the end, fault a company for protecting its investment? Fansubbing operates in a grey area where the laws are a bit ambiguous in light of new technology but ultimately laws will definitely be altered in favor of the company. I can't imagine telling a neighbor that I have a right to use their car because they don't use it enough on the weekends?

You guys are making ADV sound like Microsoft or something :)... hmmmm...
EmpressStephanie
post #13  on December 28, 2004 - 6:44 PM PST  
Well actually... I really don't see what the economic purpose is of waiting forever to release things. I guess if they are trying to cleanse the net of downloads before they release something so people are forced to buy it... that's one thing but like with Super Gals you CAN'T download it anywhere (I can't even find bootlegs) and the first season did fairly well so why not just release it instead of dicking people around. I did find a bootleg for the second season of Kaleido Star but I don't like that series enough to purchase it... but I still really want to see it. :|

Pfft, I slapped my neighbor for not using his car enough and then I took it from him. That'll teach him to be wasteful. : )
AFleming
post #14  on December 29, 2004 - 8:35 AM PST  
Or how they licensed FMP! Fumoffu in May of last year and still haven't released it. (Hilary Haag is supposed to do Testorossa.) Apparently there is a third series coming out in Japan in 2005 (according to ANN). Cool, I wonder if we will ever get any closure?
markhl
post #15  on December 29, 2004 - 9:34 AM PST  
> On December 28, 2004 - 6:44 PM PST EmpressStephanie wrote:
> Well actually... I really don't see what the economic purpose is of waiting forever to release things.

The delay is probably more related to getting all of the cast to record the dubs and stuff. The translation is the easy part. I imagine that tracking down the VAs can be tough since most, if not all, have other (more important) careers. Having said this, they probably acquire more than they can realistically handle so the lesser titles go on the shelf. It'd be nice if they sold the rights to another company quicker...


> Pfft, I slapped my neighbor for not using his car enough and then I took it from him. That'll teach him to be wasteful. : )

:O ... yes maam! *chuckle*
EVILteddie
post #16  on December 29, 2004 - 3:21 PM PST  
Well as bad as ADV can be sometimes, just be happy they are, for the most part, keeping series intact in bringing them stateside. What if Funimation was the leading company in licsensing anime?

All companies have faults, but ADV is doing a good job I say.
AFleming
post #17  on December 29, 2004 - 4:02 PM PST  
> On December 29, 2004 - 3:21 PM PST EVILteddie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Well as bad as ADV can be sometimes, just be happy they are, for the most part, keeping series intact in bringing them stateside. What if Funimation was the leading company in licsensing anime?
>
> All companies have faults, but ADV is doing a good job I say.
> ---------------------------------

They DID do RahXephon. But because of their decent dub, I've never had the urge to watch the subs. I'm probably missing out! Those bastards!
DBooher
post #18  on December 29, 2004 - 5:38 PM PST  
I KNOW!!! I was so upset about Super Gals ending nowhere and I'm in the middle of Kaleido Star!!!! Oh that's it. It's go time. I'm all for the kicking of ADV's face. Be sure to wear heavy klinker combat boots with spiked tips. Or get the boots that dude had in Dusk till Dawn...u know the pair.
EmpressStephanie
post #19  on December 29, 2004 - 8:16 PM PST  
T_T Bah... I'm in the middle of Kaleido Star too which is why I'm so bitter about this. Dang it. Plus I NEED to know if Ran ends up with Second Place. This is a travesty it really is. How am I supposed to be a fan girl if they keep doing this kind of stuff.
hamano
post #20  on December 29, 2004 - 8:40 PM PST  
Wha? There's more Super GALS??? Damn you ADV! Now I gotta go get the DVDs in Japan and sub them myself...

And what's with icons@greencine.com and support@greencine.com? They converted my animated icon into a .bmp file of all things... what's going on, underdog?
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