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Shounen-ai vs Yaoi
Topic by: AFleming
Posted: February 13, 2005 - 12:16 PM PST
Last Reply: April 14, 2005 - 7:44 PM PDT

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author topic: Shounen-ai vs Yaoi
AFleming
post #1  on February 13, 2005 - 12:16 PM PST  
So, what's the exact difference? I had assumed that shounen-ai, or "boys love" was basically romance manga/anime between guys be they gay or straight. Yaoi is a bit more *explicit*. Anyone want to clarify?
hamano
post #2  on February 13, 2005 - 4:01 PM PST  
I always thought that yaoi was a subgenre of shounen-ai... There's probably some website that explains all that...
fdguarino
post #3  on February 14, 2005 - 8:12 AM PST  
We should also ask the question what is the difference between shoujo-ai and yuri?
NLee
post #4  on February 14, 2005 - 9:25 AM PST  
> On February 13, 2005 - 12:16 PM PST AFleming wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> So, what's the exact difference? I had assumed that shounen-ai, or "boys love" was basically romance manga/anime between guys be they gay or straight. Yaoi is a bit more *explicit*. Anyone want to clarify?
> ---------------------------------

"shounen-ai" is the first stage. "YAOI" is the sound they made when they actually did it.
hamano
post #5  on February 14, 2005 - 10:01 AM PST  
I wonder if there's another category for mangas where old geezers fall in love with each other...
NLee
post #6  on February 14, 2005 - 10:04 AM PST  
hama-woozy-no-ai?
kohnfused1
post #7  on February 14, 2005 - 11:27 AM PST  
> On February 13, 2005 - 4:01 PM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I always thought that yaoi was a subgenre of shounen-ai... There's probably some website that explains all that...
> ---------------------------------

There's a subgenre, Why?
jross3
post #8  on February 14, 2005 - 12:37 PM PST  
> On February 14, 2005 - 11:27 AM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On February 13, 2005 - 4:01 PM PST hamano wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I always thought that yaoi was a subgenre of shounen-ai... There's probably some website that explains all that...
> > ---------------------------------
>
> There's a subgenre, Why?
> ---------------------------------

you can never have too many sub-genres. I don't understand the distinction either, so don't worry if you're...
kohnfused1
post #9  on February 14, 2005 - 3:04 PM PST  
> On February 14, 2005 - 12:37 PM PST jross3 wrote:
-------------------------------
> >
> > There's a subgenre, Why?
> > ---------------------------------
>
> you can never have too many sub-genres. I don't understand the distinction either, so don't worry if you're...
> ---------------------------------

No wonder I'm ...
deathbyzen
post #10  on February 15, 2005 - 6:39 AM PST  
My understanding is that shounen-ai is just romantic type stuff between boys where kissing and hugging is as far as it goes. Yaoi is hardcore gay sex.
DBooher
post #11  on February 15, 2005 - 8:44 AM PST  
I agree with deathbyzen.

shounen-ai contains lemon (kissing and stuff) only. Yaoi contains lemon and lime (kissing and whoohoo!).
kohnfused1
post #12  on February 15, 2005 - 2:31 PM PST  
> On February 15, 2005 - 8:44 AM PST DBooher wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I agree with deathbyzen.
>
> shounen-ai contains lemon (kissing and stuff) only. Yaoi contains lemon and lime (kissing and whoohoo!).
>
> ---------------------------------

So, what does orange mean? (If lemon and lime, then is that 7-up>?)
Cosplayer
post #13  on February 15, 2005 - 4:11 PM PST  
Ya no what i've always wondered...sometimes girls watch anime cuz the guys are hot, ang guys watch anime cuz the girls are hot, I wonder if guys ever wathch anime cuz the other guys are hot...
jross3
post #14  on February 15, 2005 - 7:16 PM PST  
> On February 15, 2005 - 4:11 PM PST Cosplayer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Ya no what i've always wondered...sometimes girls watch anime cuz the guys are hot, ang guys watch anime cuz the girls are hot, I wonder if guys ever wathch anime cuz the other guys are hot...
> ---------------------------------

Bishounen! Yay! ha ha!
zapomar
post #15  on February 18, 2005 - 11:10 AM PST  
BL or Boy's Love is a genre of women's comics the encompasses both Yaoi Shounen-ai.

Yaoi - Strictly speaking, m/m stories, usually in cartoon format, drawn by fans using Other People's charas. This fan-drawn yaoi is found in fan publications called doujinshi (dj- see below.) Yaoi is an acronym for 'yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi': no mountain (ie peak; climax), no point, no meaning. As the acronym suggests, fannish yaoi tends to emphasize the sex over the emotions and can do without plot entirely. Yaoi takes any kind of relationship and sexualizes it.

Shounen Ai - A genre of professional comics, intended for girls (shoujo manga), that flourished in the 1980's but is now no longer produced. The word means 'boy's love' but is not the same as BL-boy's love. Tends to be about boy's love but not about boy's sex. Strong emphasis on the emotions and the angsts. Uses original characters, naturally.
zapomar
post #16  on February 18, 2005 - 11:14 AM PST  
Shoujo-ai is the f/f equivalent of shounen-ai.
Yuri is the f/f equivalent of yaoi.
zapomar
post #17  on February 18, 2005 - 11:21 AM PST  
Yaoi is equivalent to 'slash' in English but with certain cultural differences. Most slash uses characters from live-action tv shows. Most yaoi uses characters from cartoon series (anime), video games, and comics (manga), in that order. (Note also that the cartoons and comics are almost invariably shounen ie those aimed at a young male audience. These have more male characters and less canonical romance than the female stuff.) Slash looks for evidence in the original series that two charas are devoted to each other before sticking them in bed together. Yaoi will pair charas together regardless of how they feel about each other. Slash is overwhelmingly text-based: 98% of it is short stories. Yaoi is largely visual: about 90% of it is in comic format. (Later edit: in the last few years the popularity of text m/m stories has increased in Japan, and in Asia generally. Now the proportion of text djs is much higher.)

In its broad sense yaoi has come to be used (incorrectly, of course) by us westerners to mean m/m comics in general, whether series-based and amateur, or original and professional. Several factors led to this blurring of the vocabulary, the most basic one being that when the West was first buying m/m manga and doujunshi, the Japanese themselves had no clear-cut word for 'professional manga with m/m content featuring original characters.' It was called June or tanbi, sometimes, but both words were problematic. Finally the term BL (the acronym for boisu rabu, but not the same thing as shounen ai at all) came to be used as an umbrella word in the late 90's.
AFleming
post #18  on February 18, 2005 - 1:50 PM PST  
zapomar, are you from cotrj from A4? You're response was very familiar. Maybe all dirty yaoi reading girls think alike, lol.

Actually, I know exactly what the difference in the genres are, but I made a post about this on cotrj to politely start a conversation so that *other* people, who were using the terms interchangably, would learn what they meant without ME looking like a know-it-all. I actually made this post in case hamano or one of the other know-it-alls (I mean that in the nicest way possible!) on here had any interesting special insight into the subject (though hammy hasn't been biting lately! *sniff, sniff*). Sorry, hamano, you are generally my final resource on all things Japanese! It's too difficult not to exploit you since, not only are you Japanese, but you're also extremely intelligent so I can trust that anything you say is well-researched! I'm such a terrible friend!
zapomar
post #19  on February 18, 2005 - 2:02 PM PST  
> On February 18, 2005 - 1:50 PM PST AFleming wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> zapomar, are you from cotrj from A4? You're response was very familiar. Maybe all dirty yaoi reading girls think alike, lol.
>
> Actually, I know exactly what the difference in the genres are, but I made a post about this on cotrj to politely start a conversation so that *other* people, who were using the terms interchangably, would learn what they meant without ME looking like a know-it-all. I actually made this post in case hamano or one of the other know-it-alls (I mean that in the nicest way possible!) on here had any interesting special insight into the subject (though hammy hasn't been biting lately! *sniff, sniff*). Sorry, hamano, you are generally my final resource on all things Japanese! It's too difficult not to exploit you since, not only are you Japanese, but you're also extremely intelligent so I can trust that anything you say is well-researched! I'm such a terrible friend!
> ---------------------------------
I see.
AFleming
post #20  on February 18, 2005 - 3:53 PM PST  
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to seem like I didn't appreciate your response. Thank you for the information! I actually wasn't familiar with "slash", so I've definitely learned something new!

> On February 18, 2005 - 11:14 AM PST zapomar wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Shoujo-ai is the f/f equivalent of shounen-ai.
> Yuri is the f/f equivalent of yaoi.
> ---------------------------------

You know, I almost never hear ppl use the term "shoujo-ai". Mostly I've heard it refered to as "yuri" no matter how benign. I guess this is maybe cause yuri and shoujo-ai is a lot more rare than yaoi and shounen-ai. Someone on cotrj says that:

"Ironically, the term shonen-ai is not used as often in Japan; the wasei-eigo construction Boys Love (?????? boizu rabu but usually rendered as English, occasionally spelled Boy's Love or Boys' Love, or abbreviated BL) has largely displaced it, due to associations of the original term with pederasty or pedophilia (which were not borrowed into English usage). (This is doubly ironic, since the similar English term boylove has the exact meaning Boys Love was coined to avoid.). "

I don't have much information about what terms are *actually* used in Japan in such instances. Do you have any further info on that?
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