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Ghost in The Shell: Innocence - Me need cheat sheet
Topic by: ChiyoDad
Posted: March 7, 2005 - 8:08 AM PST
Last Reply: March 22, 2005 - 12:07 PM PST

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author topic: Ghost in The Shell: Innocence - Me need cheat sheet
ChiyoDad
post #1  on March 7, 2005 - 8:08 AM PST  
I watched Ghost in The Shell: Innocence last week. I probably need to watch it again (and again, and again, and again). While it was visually stunning, some of its nuances (and profundity) escapes me. Let me know of any places where I can get the DVD at reduced cost.

I don't understand the relation between the hacker and the gynoid manufacturing plant. Why did Togusa have to hardwire the hacker's android body during their assault on the factory? Were the gynoids' sudden release into combat mode a flaw caused by the virus? Who launched the virus: Togusa, the hacker, or was it a systems malfunction?

And who hacked Batou in the first place when he shot off his arm?
kohnfused1
post #2  on March 8, 2005 - 4:50 PM PST  
Helllllooooooooo!!! (echo)


Well, sorry ChiyoDad, but there's your answer right there.

No one knows either. At least you're not alone, right. :)
ChiyoDad
post #3  on March 8, 2005 - 5:06 PM PST  
> On March 8, 2005 - 4:50 PM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Helllllooooooooo!!! (echo)
>
>
> Well, sorry ChiyoDad, but there's your answer right there.
>
> No one knows either. At least you're not alone, right. :)
> ---------------------------------


Jeez. The plot was so deep that nobody got it.
jross3
post #4  on March 8, 2005 - 7:04 PM PST  
> On March 8, 2005 - 5:06 PM PST ChiyoDad wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Jeez. The plot was so deep that nobody got it.
> ---------------------------------

I got a couple of the little quotes they kept persisting with, and I'm pretty sure that it was the evil people making the evil robots that hacked Batou.
But what does it really matter? It's pretty, it just has to look smart and everyone will love it!
ChiyoDad
post #5  on March 8, 2005 - 8:42 PM PST  
> On March 8, 2005 - 7:04 PM PST jross3 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> But what does it really matter? It's pretty, it just has to look smart and everyone will love it!
> ---------------------------------

Umm, ... ah, ... yeah. So, ... like ... how does that quote from Milton fit into the allegory of the devil?

(Feigns deep thinking.)
jross3
post #6  on March 8, 2005 - 10:56 PM PST  
> On March 8, 2005 - 8:42 PM PST ChiyoDad wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On March 8, 2005 - 7:04 PM PST jross3 wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > But what does it really matter? It's pretty, it just has to look smart and everyone will love it!
> > ---------------------------------
>
> Umm, ... ah, ... yeah. So, ... like ... how does that quote from Milton fit into the allegory of the devil?
>
> (Feigns deep thinking.)
> ---------------------------------

that is bizarrely funny when combined with your icon....
(picturing Chiyo-dad acting out ChiyoDad's post....)
NLee
post #7  on March 9, 2005 - 8:05 AM PST  
> On March 7, 2005 - 8:08 AM PST ChiyoDad wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I don't understand the relation between the hacker and the gynoid manufacturing plant. Why did Togusa have to hardwire the hacker's android body during their assault on the factory? Were the gynoids' sudden release into combat mode a flaw caused by the virus? Who launched the virus: Togusa, the hacker, or was it a systems malfunction?
>
> And who hacked Batou in the first place when he shot off his arm?
> ---------------------------------

Airight, since nobody else wants to step forward, here is my interpretation on the movie:

(*spoiler spoiler spoiler*)


The hacker (Kim) was working for the gynoid manufacturing plant. He was responsible for hacking into Batou's e-brain and caused Batou to shoot off his own arm. Kim knew that Batou and Togusa were hot on his trail, so he set up a virtual-reality trap to fake his own death. The plan failed because of the Major stepped in. Batou and Togusa dragged Kim's shell back to Section 9, and used it to gain entry to the Gynoid factory main computer (think of it as using someone's hand to foil a finger print scanner).

Why did the gynoids go into combat mode? For this you have to think of HAL in "2001: A Space Odyssey". Volker (the programmer who was later slaughtered by the yakuza) injected a virus into the gynoids. As in the original GitS, this virus is indistinguishable from soul, or "ghost" in the shell. Volker did this so that someone will investigate into gynoid malfunctions, and eventually free his daughter who was trapped in the manufacturing ship. When the ship's computer shut down and reboot to fend off the external attack, the virus took control of the gynoids so now they become fully self-conscious beings. Form this point on, they are just fighting to preserve their own souls.


So there you have it. Simple, isn't it?
ChiyoDad
post #8  on March 9, 2005 - 8:21 AM PST  
> On March 9, 2005 - 8:05 AM PST NLee wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On March 7, 2005 - 8:08 AM PST ChiyoDad wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
>
> So there you have it. Simple, isn't it?
>
> ---------------------------------


You could have just told us that "Rosebud" was Batou's sled.
:D
kohnfused1
post #9  on March 9, 2005 - 10:11 AM PST  
I agree with NLee's interpretation, and yet, I'm still ...
NLee
post #10  on March 9, 2005 - 10:18 AM PST  
> On March 9, 2005 - 10:11 AM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I agree with NLee's interpretation, and yet, I'm still ...
> ---------------------------------

Ever considered changing your name so that you won't be ...?
kohnfused1
post #11  on March 9, 2005 - 11:00 AM PST  
> On March 9, 2005 - 10:18 AM PST NLee wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On March 9, 2005 - 10:11 AM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I agree with NLee's interpretation, and yet, I'm still ...
> > ---------------------------------
>
> Ever considered changing your name so that you won't be ...?
> ---------------------------------

Why? It's the only state of mind I'm sure of.
gianmh
post #12  on March 9, 2005 - 11:38 AM PST  
The director stated that movies should not be understood,just vaguely felt.

Or something like that.
ChiyoDad
post #13  on March 9, 2005 - 12:07 PM PST  
> On March 9, 2005 - 11:38 AM PST gianmh wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> The director stated that movies should not be understood,just vaguely felt.
>
> Or something like that.
> ---------------------------------

Well, it feels flat, circular, smooth and plastic (except on the printed side). I'm not sure that helps.
kohnfused1
post #14  on March 9, 2005 - 2:22 PM PST  
> On March 9, 2005 - 12:07 PM PST ChiyoDad wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On March 9, 2005 - 11:38 AM PST gianmh wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > The director stated that movies should not be understood,just vaguely felt.
> >
> > Or something like that.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> Well, it feels flat, circular, smooth and plastic (except on the printed side). I'm not sure that helps.
> ---------------------------------

I didn't know you read braille. Good for you!
Cosplayer
post #15  on March 9, 2005 - 3:09 PM PST  
Ghost in teh shell is too confusing, and it's boring as well. Give up.
jross3
post #16  on March 9, 2005 - 4:21 PM PST  
> On March 9, 2005 - 3:09 PM PST Cosplayer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Ghost in teh shell is too confusing, and it's boring as well. Give up.
> ---------------------------------

But... but.... Killer zombie robots! Come on!
ChiyoDad
post #17  on March 9, 2005 - 4:47 PM PST  
> On March 9, 2005 - 4:21 PM PST jross3 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On March 9, 2005 - 3:09 PM PST Cosplayer wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Ghost in teh shell is too confusing, and it's boring as well. Give up.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> But... but.... Killer zombie robots! Come on!
> ---------------------------------

Not to mention all those cool quotes from classical literature that they keep throwing around!
kohnfused1
post #18  on March 10, 2005 - 11:36 AM PST  
> On March 9, 2005 - 3:09 PM PST Cosplayer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Ghost in teh shell is too confusing, and it's boring as well. Give up.
> ---------------------------------

Imagine how I felt watching it.
NLee
post #19  on March 10, 2005 - 12:10 PM PST  
> On March 10, 2005 - 11:36 AM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On March 9, 2005 - 3:09 PM PST Cosplayer wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Ghost in teh shell is too confusing, and it's boring as well. Give up.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> Imagine how I felt watching it.
> ---------------------------------

The difference is that you actually enjoy being in that state of mind.
kohnfused1
post #20  on March 10, 2005 - 2:37 PM PST  
> On March 10, 2005 - 12:10 PM PST NLee wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On March 10, 2005 - 11:36 AM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > > On March 9, 2005 - 3:09 PM PST Cosplayer wrote:
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Ghost in teh shell is too confusing, and it's boring as well. Give up.
> > > ---------------------------------
> >
> > Imagine how I felt watching it.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> The difference is that you actually enjoy being in that state of mind.
>
> ---------------------------------

It's almost euphoric......(head implodes!)
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