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Bishoujo! yay!
Topic by: jross3
Posted: April 11, 2005 - 5:43 PM PDT
Last Reply: April 17, 2005 - 11:29 PM PDT

author topic: Bishoujo! yay!
jross3
post #1  on April 11, 2005 - 5:43 PM PDT  
When you talk about a "bishoujo" game, it's usually a dating sim, and frequently pornographic. That's not what I'm talking about, though.
Since Ahogue actually said he wanted to know about bishoujo anime and manga (even if it was kind of a rhetorical question), can I help but impart my knowledge? Of course not, but there's quite a lot to cover. Surely there's some folks out there that can help?
jross3
post #2  on April 11, 2005 - 5:44 PM PDT  
Well, where to start? I'll just go over some of the good and bad:

(I'm rating "good" and "bad" by comparatively good and bad stories and art. Some shows think that it's enough to have a bunch of women with impossibly large breasts and lots of bouncing. .... I disagree, but maybe there's an expert on these out there somewhere.)

Good: Mahoromatic. In one way, it's your typical "that guy is too damn lucky" show - he already has three good-looking girls vying for his attention (and one overly-busty teacher who simply lusts after him), and then he gets a hot live-in-maid that bathes with him. Now, the maid is actually a robot that has worked to preserve the peace of Earth by fighting both the armies of Earth and a mysterious alien organization. And for some reason Mahoro feels obligated to work as Suguru's maid....

Good: Ai Yori Aoshi. Another "why does this guy have all the luck?" show. Aparently Kaoru made an impression on pretty girl Aoi when they were both children, and she's been living her whole life waiting to marry him - unknown to Kaoru, who had left the family that had arranged their marrage. Then suddenly she shows up on his doorstep and wants to do just about everything for him.... It deals with their relationship pretty seriously (didn't I talk about this one in the Seinen thread a little bit?) but there's no shortage of fan service, either - by the end of disc 1, they move into a big mansion and before long it starts filling up with other hot women (most of them with one eye on Kaoru, of course).

Not that good (but decent): Chobits. Lots of filler in the story, but the art is pretty good. The manga version is very good, and superior in both story and art.

As for manga:

Good: Love Hina. There's an anime, but from what I saw on the first disc I much prefer the manga. Straightforward harem series: good art, good story. It doesn't especially add a lot to the harem genre, but it's quite influencial and very well done.

Fairly Good: Psychic Academy. Part of the Harry Potter craze of magical boy animes and mangas (see also: Negima; pretty good, but since they're all so young I can't quite call it a "bishoujo" manga or the Morality Cops will be onto me) - this one has a lot more fan service than Harry Potter, though. They work hard to fit all the fan service in: If there are no boys in the scene, 100% of the time the girls will be changing, bathing, or in the school-uniform night-wear. The story isn't riveting, but it's fairly original. The characters are all pretty interesting, and it's pretty well drawn.

.... there's more. Of course. There's a lot more, but I don't have my manga shelf in sight from here so I can't really give you a good representation of what I know. There's a good list for fan-service animes. You might check that out, too.
hamano
post #3  on April 11, 2005 - 9:46 PM PDT  
Hey, shouldn't we talk about which shows have the most beautiful female characters? If we're just gonna talk about hotness, since 90% of manga/anime is aimed at sex starved Japanese male teens, almost EVERY female character except for the ones who are busu are by definition HOT bishoujo! The industry revolves around defining female tropes or archetypes and mixing them up in various combinations.

If we're gonna talk about sheer beauty, I don't think Mahoro qualifies... she's too cute, and OLD.

I believe "bishoujo" actually refers to beautiful pre-pubescent female characters... that's a bit creepy, so we'll open it up to older characters as well, neh? But strictly speaking a bishoujo is a slim pale-skinned lolita, like Hazuki in Tsukuyomi Moon Phase or Tomoyo in Cardcaptor Sakura.

OK, my vote goes to Tomoe from the Kenshin OVAs for "most beautiful"... but if we're gonna go for an entire CAST then we'd have to go with Marimite... Oh, that doesn't count because it's a shoujo title?

My current favorite bishoujo is Haydee from Gankutsuou...

Oh, and we already had that discussion about Ideal Anime Girlfriends...
jross3
post #4  on April 11, 2005 - 11:02 PM PDT  
Back at home now; I've got a better look at the source material :-)

I'm not so sure, I think Mahoro qualifies for some recognition. She's got a lot going for her, if you ask me :-P besides, she's like nine years old! She's too young, if anything!

Hamano, are you sure you're not confusing bishoujo with moe? That would be confusing for poor ahogue :-) We could go and discuss the prettiest moe girls, but the lurkers around here would think we're creepy :-)
And even if you don't think so, a mature woman can certainly be pretty (don't worry, I won't say anything to your wife). There's Hubb's wife in Wolf's Rain (first example that comes to mind) - quite pretty. Yuuko in xxxHolic is worth a second look (and I wouldn't want to guess at her age, either.. especially if she knew Clow Reed).

hmm......

I can't just narrow it down to who I think is the best-looking girls in anime, so I'll just list some more series that will fill the bill.

Galaxy Angel - light comedy and a group of five women (or three women and two young girls). Covers five basic bases of bishoujo. It's really centered around visual comedy, so I'd say this qualifies as much for Bishoujo Anime as anything else would.

Read or Die probably counts for something, too; it's an almost all-girl cast, and as Hamano said, most anime girls are one kind of bishoujo or another. It also has one very femenine-looking boy, but that's a point for another thread.
hamano
post #5  on April 11, 2005 - 11:21 PM PDT  
Actually, I think strictly applied, "bishoujo" is a subset of moe... moe includes spunky young girls like Nurse Witch Komugi, and the cosplay girl in Ultimate Girl. However, they are not "bishoujo". To be "bishoujo" you have to be moe-age, but also with a delicate classic beauty that is obvious to others who behold her. Short haired tomboys need not apply!
NLee
post #6  on April 12, 2005 - 11:37 AM PDT  
I used to think that "bishoujo" means young girl (shoujo) who happens to be "bi". That's probably because the theme of "sisterly-love" is so common in animes.

Noriko from Gunbuster certainly qualities as a bishoujo - she's young, she's pretty, and she's definitely "bi", too.
ahogue
post #7  on April 12, 2005 - 11:44 AM PDT  
JRoss3, I'm beginning to see what you mean about being tired or categorical distinctions. It seems that there isn't a single anime concept that actually has an accepted definition!

I will eventually pick up one of these harem thingies (purely out of scholarly interest, of course), but sounds like I'll have to watch them when my GF isn't around.
NLee
post #8  on April 12, 2005 - 12:35 PM PDT  
> On April 12, 2005 - 11:44 AM PDT ahogue wrote:
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> I will eventually pick up one of these harem thingies (purely out of scholarly interest, of course), but sounds like I'll have to watch them when my GF isn't around.
> ---------------------------------

It should be safe to watch some classic harem animes such as "Tenchi Muyo OVA" or "Saber Marionette J" with your GF. But if she doesn't like it, well, just remember that some things are more important in life...
ahogue
post #9  on April 12, 2005 - 12:58 PM PDT  
> On April 12, 2005 - 12:35 PM PDT NLee wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On April 12, 2005 - 11:44 AM PDT ahogue wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I will eventually pick up one of these harem thingies (purely out of scholarly interest, of course), but sounds like I'll have to watch them when my GF isn't around.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> It should be safe to watch some classic harem animes such as "Tenchi Muyo OVA" or "Saber Marionette J" with your GF. But if she doesn't like it, well, just remember that some things are more important in life...
>
> ---------------------------------

Well, I'm not saying she'd toss me out on my ear or anything...more like I might feel a little embarrassed. :)
hamano
post #10  on April 12, 2005 - 2:01 PM PDT  
> On April 12, 2005 - 11:44 AM PDT ahogue wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> JRoss3, I'm beginning to see what you mean about being tired or categorical distinctions. It seems that there isn't a single anime concept that actually has an accepted definition!

I recently stumbled upon a site that analyses media by "tropes"... one of the areas they cover is anime. "Tropes" are like characteristic archetypes...

TV Wiki Anime Trope Page
jross3
post #11  on April 12, 2005 - 2:40 PM PDT  
> On April 12, 2005 - 2:01 PM PDT hamano wrote:
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> TV Wiki Anime Trope Page
> ---------------------------------

I like how they link sailor-suit girls to lolita-complex. That's a pretty well-made page, there, thanks for the link.
NLee
post #12  on April 13, 2005 - 8:11 AM PDT  
> On April 12, 2005 - 12:58 PM PDT ahogue wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Well, I'm not saying she'd toss me out on my ear or anything...more like I might feel a little embarrassed. :)
> ---------------------------------

You can use the excuse commonly found in harem animes:

"But honey, I can't help it if my body is so honest..."
ahogue
post #13  on April 13, 2005 - 8:48 AM PDT  
> On April 13, 2005 - 8:11 AM PDT NLee wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On April 12, 2005 - 12:58 PM PDT ahogue wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Well, I'm not saying she'd toss me out on my ear or anything...more like I might feel a little embarrassed. :)
> > ---------------------------------
>
> You can use the excuse commonly found in harem animes:
>
> "But honey, I can't help it if my body is so honest..."
> ---------------------------------

Oh yeah, that would work great! What was I thinking??
kohnfused1
post #14  on April 14, 2005 - 10:03 AM PDT  
On days I'm not feeling all to well, I like to...
>
> "But honey, I can't help it if my body is so honest..."
> ---------------------------------

Oh my!!! I've been censored!
Cosplayer
post #15  on April 14, 2005 - 5:34 PM PDT  
You guys...I'm a girl, and I am turned not...into these things the same way as you...but I think the most likeable, pretty girls in series is the girl, while everybody else has lipstick, big boobs, high heels, short skirts, they're just pretty and decent, and lovable. There's one of thos in ROD. She's a blonde with darker skin. I really like her.
IronS
post #16  on April 17, 2005 - 11:29 PM PDT  
> On April 14, 2005 - 5:34 PM PDT Cosplayer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> they're just pretty and decent, and lovable. There's one of thos in ROD. She's a blonde with darker skin. I really like her.
> ---------------------------------

That's Wendy Earhart. She works for Mr. Joker and sort of looks after Junior. She writes reports, too, poor girl.

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