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Parental Advisory Warnings??
Topic by: Battie
Posted: April 18, 2005 - 11:18 AM PDT
Last Reply: April 21, 2005 - 6:27 PM PDT

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author topic: Parental Advisory Warnings??
Battie
post #1  on April 18, 2005 - 11:18 AM PDT  
Grrr...since when do mangas come with those black and white Parental Advisory - Explicit Content warnings?? A manga a bought (not hentai or yaoi, lol) had a sticker, and the next volume had it PRINTED on the cover! *mutter* Now if I actually read it in public (which is unlikely, but still), I get to flash that lovely warning. >_< As if manga and anime didn't need more stereotyping, eh?

Parental advisory. *snort* I'd have been seriously P.O.ed if the sticker on the earlier volume didn't peel off really easy without leaving residue.


Battie
hamano
post #2  on April 18, 2005 - 12:35 PM PDT  
Aw... what are you worried about? You're a grown up! You're old enough that you should probably take your own parental advisory stickers to put on the kiddie manga you're reading, just so you won't seem totally uncool!

^_^
jross3
post #3  on April 18, 2005 - 12:53 PM PDT  
What Hamano said. It's a badge of honor!

The question is, what series had the sticker that it made you upset? I believe Mahoromatic has them, and justly so - the last volume had a full-color illustration of a naked Minawa on one of the first pages. And it wasn't shrink-wrapped, which is mind-boggling considering the ones they do wrap for less (maybe someone took the wrapper off to peek inside - what a horrible thing! I'd never do that, really!).
But I believe Psychic Academy had one as well, and I think that it's a stretch there. There's a lot of blatant fan service, but nothing so explicit as to justify shrink-wrapping or printing a warning label on the cover.

Maybe Tokyopop is just covering itself from unfriendly fire. (that's assuming yours was from them... I don't recall seeing any stickers on other manga, except Berserk (which again is proper labeling, in my opinion))
hamano
post #4  on April 18, 2005 - 1:53 PM PDT  
If they put an advisory on them but don't shrink wrap them, it's just temptation, isn't it? How could anyone resist? It's entrapment!
Battie
post #5  on April 18, 2005 - 2:02 PM PDT  
> On April 18, 2005 - 12:53 PM PDT jross3 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> What Hamano said. It's a badge of honor!
>
> The question is, what series had the sticker that it made you upset? I believe Mahoromatic has them, and justly so - the last volume had a full-color illustration of a naked Minawa on one of the first pages. And it wasn't shrink-wrapped, which is mind-boggling considering the ones they do wrap for less (maybe someone took the wrapper off to peek inside - what a horrible thing! I'd never do that, really!).
> But I believe Psychic Academy had one as well, and I think that it's a stretch there. There's a lot of blatant fan service, but nothing so explicit as to justify shrink-wrapping or printing a warning label on the cover.
>
> Maybe Tokyopop is just covering itself from unfriendly fire. (that's assuming yours was from them... I don't recall seeing any stickers on other manga, except Berserk (which again is proper labeling, in my opinion))
> ---------------------------------

Just didn't realize that the Parental Advisory label had gone so far as to be stuck onto mangas. Actually...I didn't even realize Berserk had them, lmao! I just went and peeled them off. :P Funny thing...only #5 and #6 had the stickers. So, it's a relatively recent thing..I'd like to know why.

It's the Bastard series, which I finally got after a year or two of saying, "The next time I have money..." And the stickers don't annoy me as much as that the most recent volume (released this month I think? Unless it's a second edition) is actually PRINTED with the thing. No sticker. >_< Viz is the pub (and I actually LIKE Viz). Bastard isn't for kids...but I don't think it deserved a printing of the label. :P It already had a "Rated M for Mature" warning on it. >_<

I guess my fury is because the label is there at all (since when are the warnings required on books?). What with all the conservative political stuff going on, I'm a little leery of watch groups nagging companies about their not-for-kids products. :( Some companies have gone so far as to remove too risque products. >_< Not many, but some.

Which reminds me...you should see some of the discussions on some groups I'm on. Women are up in arms the moment stuff like that is mentioned, lol. Prolly cuz they all read "erotic" romance.

Heh, I um...made myself better by buying an "I Love Yaoi" bag. >:D It was a weekly special...I was seduced.
Battie
post #6  on April 18, 2005 - 2:08 PM PDT  
> On April 18, 2005 - 1:53 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> If they put an advisory on them but don't shrink wrap them, it's just temptation, isn't it? How could anyone resist? It's entrapment!
> ---------------------------------

LOL! No, no...it's only entrapment when there's an advisory and a very sexy couple on the front (m/f or m/m...or f/f, if you prefer)! Then it's like..."weeeee! MINE!"
NLee
post #7  on April 18, 2005 - 2:31 PM PDT  
> On April 18, 2005 - 2:02 PM PDT Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Heh, I um...made myself better by buying an "I Love Yaoi" bag. >:D It was a weekly special...I was seduced.
> ---------------------------------

This is so unfair! If a girl is seen carrying an "I Love Yaoi" bag, everybody thinks it is cute. But what if a guy is seen wearing a T-Shirt that says "I Love Schoolgirl Lesbian Sex"? He will be arrested for sexual harassment!
hamano
post #8  on April 18, 2005 - 7:33 PM PDT  
> On April 18, 2005 - 2:31 PM PDT NLee wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> This is so unfair! If a girl is seen carrying an "I Love Yaoi" bag, everybody thinks it is cute. But what if a guy is seen wearing a T-Shirt that says "I Love Schoolgirl Lesbian Sex"? He will be arrested for sexual harassment!

Well, I guess YOU'll just have to make do with an "I Love Yaoi" bag like Battie, NLee...
kamapuaa
post #9  on April 19, 2005 - 12:06 PM PDT  
> This is so unfair! If a girl is seen carrying an "I Love Yaoi" bag, everybody thinks it is cute. But what if a guy is seen wearing a T-Shirt that says "I Love Schoolgirl Lesbian Sex"? He will be arrested for sexual harassment!

They make "I love Hentai Anime" shirts, it's all about the code words! I saw it in an ad for j-list.
Cosplayer
post #10  on April 19, 2005 - 12:53 PM PDT  
>There's a lot of blatant fan service, but nothing so explicit as to justify shrink-wrapping or printing a warning label on the cover.

The saranwrap means hentai? Oh...I get it now.
Cosplayer
post #11  on April 19, 2005 - 1:04 PM PDT  
I think it's good that they have lables like that. You can do whatever you want, but I learned what s and m is from Chobits, and it wasn't fun. Mangas especially need these lables. By looking at the cover and reading the back, you still don't know what you're in for. I opened Video girl ai, the back said guy falls in love with robot, cover had a girl on the front, and the first thing I saw was "Do you think we should take our clothes off?" It was scary.
jross3
post #12  on April 19, 2005 - 1:29 PM PDT  
> On April 19, 2005 - 12:53 PM PDT Cosplayer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> >There's a lot of blatant fan service, but nothing so explicit as to justify shrink-wrapping or printing a warning label on the cover.
>
> The saranwrap means hentai? Oh...I get it now.
> ---------------------------------

No, saran wrap is random, and determined by lottery. There's fan service, but no hentai-type stuff in Psychic Academy. The most perverted mind belongs to a psychic rabbit, so it's quite a mild title. I don't think I've seen it shrink-wrapped at all (except maybe once.... but not at my local bookstore), but I think it has the sticker.
jross3
post #13  on April 19, 2005 - 1:42 PM PDT  
> On April 19, 2005 - 1:04 PM PDT Cosplayer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I think it's good that they have lables like that. You can do whatever you want, but I learned what s and m is from Chobits, and it wasn't fun. Mangas especially need these lables. By looking at the cover and reading the back, you still don't know what you're in for. I opened Video girl ai, the back said guy falls in love with robot, cover had a girl on the front, and the first thing I saw was "Do you think we should take our clothes off?" It was scary.
> ---------------------------------

Here's one word Cosplayer shouldn't learn:
S&M is short for sodomasochism (which may in turn be a combination of sodomy and masochism) - I don't know if I'm spelling that right, but it's not a word I use too often (for reasons obvious enough to those ofyou who know it) - and I'm not the hentai master around here, so I may be mistaken alltogether.
Chobits isn't an example.... it's a pretty princess parade in comparison :-)
That's not a normal part of everyone's vocabulary, so "S & M" is often misused to describe other things. The "club" in Chobits was just a cheap live-video porn internet site. What they were looking for from Chii doesn't approach S&M or even appeal to the same group (most of the time).
Minoru's house has more S&M potential than that...... A harem of sexy robots? If it were hentai, I'd know where that was going. But it's not (and minoru's just a little kid!), so no dirty thoughts, you perverts!
NLee
post #14  on April 19, 2005 - 1:48 PM PDT  
> On April 19, 2005 - 1:04 PM PDT Cosplayer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
... I opened Video girl ai, the back said guy falls in love with robot, cover had a girl on the front, and the first thing I saw was "Do you think we should take our clothes off?" It was scary.
> ---------------------------------

Oh come on! How can "Video Girl Ai" be scary to you? It is a classic by the great Masazaku Katsura. For a manga aimed at the male youth audience, some amount of fan service is expected. However, they are done in good taste, and no real sex ever happened between the main characters. The story is about as sweet and as romantic as it possible can be (from a guy's point of view, at least).

If you can be offened even by "Video Girl Ai", then for goodness sake, don't ever peek into "I's" (Masazaku Katsura's latest manga). You'll die from nose-bleed!
IronS
post #15  on April 19, 2005 - 2:00 PM PDT  
> On April 19, 2005 - 1:42 PM PDT jross3 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Here's one word Cosplayer shouldn't learn:
> S&M is short for sodomasochism (which may in turn be a combination of sodomy and masochism) - I don't know if I'm spelling that right, but it's not a word I use too often (for reasons obvious enough to those ofyou who know it) - and I'm not the hentai master around here, so I may be mistaken alltogether.
>

Actually, S&M is short for sadomasochism (a combination of sadism and masochism which, given the two, meshes rather well).
woozy
post #16  on April 19, 2005 - 4:15 PM PDT  
Since when have Sadism (nothing to do with Sodomy), from the writing of the Marquis de Sade, meaning to derive pleasure from causing pain, been a black-outable word? I've always called and all the adults of my childhood, the bully who likes to burn ants and throw stones at puppies a sadist. It's a perfectly acceptable word. Likewise masochist, one who enjoys pain, and I've always called and all the adults of my childhood always called the underachiever with low self-esteem that seemed to go out of his way to sabatoge any good time (usually me, sigh....) a masochist. It's a perfectly acceptable word.

And saran wrap, that reminds me of the joke about the mother who comes home to find her daughter ... oh, wait, that joke *IS* black-out-able... ...in... you know, it's not a very good joke and this isn't the appropriate forum... (It's a good thing it is physically impossible for Cosplayer to highlight text for another four years..)
Darkangel
post #17  on April 19, 2005 - 4:29 PM PDT  
My 2 digital cents!

S&M can mean (depending on who you are talking to)

Sex and Marriage [implies sex-style games and is the lowest on the "oh no run away" scale and isn't really correct. More of the "don't scare the vanilla people" school of thought.]

or

Slave & Master [Generally implies just what it says.]

Sadist & Masochist really doesn't apply here I believe. Although the concepts are intertwined as S&M generally involves "pain play" at some level.

The whole concept here probably fits easier into the phrase BDSM.

BDSM = Bondage.Discipline.Dominance.Submission.Sadism.Masochism as sort of interchangeable.

BTW: How do you put the black highlights in words?

And... if you're gonna read a book like that in public, why not just buy / make a book cover? I do that sometimes.

L8r
kamapuaa
post #18  on April 19, 2005 - 5:17 PM PDT  
> Since when have Sadism (nothing to do with Sodomy), from the writing of the Marquis de Sade,

And Masochism comes from Leopold Ritter von Sacher-Masoch, who wrote "Venus in Furs," which the Velvet Underground picked up on. Actually it's pretty fun, a quick read and a kind of satire on Victorian romances (I'm not quite sure how intentionally). It's a free read off the Gutenberg project.

Justine, by the Marquis de Sade, is fun to flip through. I don't know if I could make it all the way through.
Battie
post #19  on April 19, 2005 - 8:32 PM PDT  
You guys are all nuts. >_< LOL!

You're right about the book cover thing. But...eh...I have some. Dun like 'em. You must also realize I'm in the Bible Belt. ^_^ Lucky moi! *pierces self some more in an effort to horrify neighbors* Not.

Again, my issue is more about the fact that it's there at all. The "M for Mature" should be enough. :P

You also have to ask yourself what the explicit content is. Sex? Nudity? Violence? Language? All of the above? So the warning doesn't really help except to warn off the younger buyers. For those of us who buy books that have explicit content (like what you talked about, Cos), it doesn't help to tell us what's objectionable. I had a discussion with the owner of a publisher once about the value of ratings that don't distinguish what *exactly* the rating is for. If you say the warning can be for sex, nudity, or graphic violence...well, which is it? Perhaps nudity doesn't bother me as much as violence, eh?

As for S&M....Yeah. Think I'll sit that discussion out. :P Been there, done that. ^_^

Is Cos really fourteen? *arches a brow*
woozy
post #20  on April 19, 2005 - 9:18 PM PDT  
> > You also have to ask yourself what the explicit content is.

I worked for a web page of a game company once. One thing I had to do was write a program so non-members and members under eighteen couldn't see our pages for the games rated M or higher. What were our pages? They were descriptions of the games, developer information, and three of four screenshots. Now the *games* maybe had mature content but our descriptions and screenshots never did. So why did they have to be restricted, I asked. My answer, an incredulous stare, because the games are rated M, of course!

In other words, in-explicit acknowledgement of the existence of something that has explicit content is in itself explicit. So therefore the following is okay for everyone over eighteen but if Cosplayer were to read it, I'd be guilty of corrupting her: There is a magazine called Playboy which was started by Hugh Hefner but is now managed by his daughter. Good thing she is too young to know how to highlight text.

Sometimes it's easier just not to question.
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