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What's so great about...?
Topic by: ahogue
Posted: July 23, 2006 - 10:23 AM PDT
Last Reply: August 4, 2006 - 12:09 PM PDT

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author topic: What's so great about...?
ahogue
post #1  on July 23, 2006 - 10:23 AM PDT  
Been wondering why everyone likes something so much, when to you it looks like a big pile of crap? Unload your aesthetic angst and connect (in an entirely negative and hopefully acrimonious way -- it's too quiet around here) with other anime lovers who think your taste sucks. What could be more fun?

And, anyway, maybe you'll learn something.

Okay, me first.

Since I've started watching anime I've tried quite a few series which I hated after the first episode, most of them generally well-reviewed. Let's see...

Noir, with that terrible, derivative music and silly action

Read Or Die OVA, the most overrated saturday morning ripoff of the super friends (or is that wonder twins? justice league? whatever) that I've ever seen, with dialogue and artwork to match.

And, of course, Wings of the Honneamise.

But for all of these I can figure out why people might like them. Noir...well, there's no accounting for taste, especially musical taste, and anyway few anime fans can resist pretty girls with large...guns. Ahem.

And Read or Die, well, as bad as the dialogue and as ugly as the show was its premise was original and fun.

And Wings of the Honneamise is old, I can give it that.

But the one I'm really wondering about right now...and I'm genuinely curious about this...is Crest of the Stars. Based, admittedly, on only one episode, I was shocked at how much I disliked this show considering that I don't think I've met a single person who didn't love it.
Ursus
post #2  on July 23, 2006 - 1:53 PM PDT  
*gasp* How dare you speak such ill of ROD OVA! *double gasp!* I owe it so much; every time I try to get out they (anime) keep pulling me back in! Any comparison is like that of apples and tripe; not being a child of the early 70's I can't speak with much authority upon the ol' Justice League and such, but from what I've seen there really is no comparison.

But seriously, for fear of being cast out or labeled a pariah and stoned-to-death, old-school style, out in the village square, I shall chime in.

The first episode of Noir was good, especially the opening battle in the unfinished building. Great! The rest, as well as the ending, not so much.

Having watched all of the "Banner of/Crest of" series I must say that it is an acquired taste; not wholely bad, just not my bag, thus not one of my favorites. I imagine the cats who enjoy Dr. Who (in all of his various incarnations) as well as the books of Asamov and others really dig it; this however, is not to my taste, which is OK. Live and let live, I say. No harm.

"Wings of..." I haven't seen nor is it my queue; not that I have time with all the other titles clamoring for my attention. I haven't appraised its worth yet, so I can't speak to it.

There are many shows which I don't enjoy that others adore with fervent passion. I don't share their passion but I understand their love, and this is alright. A persons temperment and humor greatly influences their likes and dislikes, we all can't be expected to agree nor love the same things all of the time. What a boring life that would be. No?

I've got to stop my self from blathering on, so I shall stop now.
hamano
post #3  on July 23, 2006 - 6:36 PM PDT  
Crest/Banner of the Stars had some of the most mesmerizing use of different forms of Japanese speech including social level and status I've ever encountered. Just listening to the characters chatting was worth the price of admission. This is totally lost in the translations, whether it was the subtitles or the dubs, so the popularity of the show to Americans is a bit puzzling to me also. But if there was ever such a thing as keigo porn, Crest of the Stars was it. Ayako Kawasumi was excellent as the voice for Lafiel... she does keigo better than anyone (also as Mahoro on Mahoromatic).

As for Noir, I thought the music and the voice acting were the BEST parts... I could've done without the rest. Yuki Kajiura has a talent for writing incidental music, I think, and it's hard to go wrong with the voice actors who were hired to do the main cast of characters.

The trouble with Kajiura is that she doesn't write enough music... the repetitive use of the same motifs in similar situations hurts her music I think...

ROD has some major flaws... I thought Yomiko would be more capable even without her "magic" paper powers based on the knowledge she gained from all that reading she does, but this didn't seem to be the case. She couldn't even figure out who the bad guys were... it seemed that the writers' imaginations didn't really reflect a love of books...

Wings of H... I hated it. I can't figure out why it has such good word of mouth.

I'd have to say that for me the most over-rated show ever is Neon Genesis Evangelion. I thought Dual was better.

And Slayers and Tenchi... I just don't get the appeal...
hamano
post #4  on July 23, 2006 - 6:40 PM PDT  
Oh, and this show should be fired from the Anime Cannon, with a trajectory calculated to take it straight into the cesspool....
Ursus
post #5  on July 23, 2006 - 9:53 PM PDT  
*GASP!*
I too thought EVA has always been a tad over blown (I thought Rax. was better) but lacked the testicular fortitude (thats for you Shiori... where ever you may be) to say that aloud without being set upon like a wounded deer by otaku jackles.

Yes, Dual is wonderful; but then, twist of the knife at my back, you strike at my "request" vulnerability.

Pay no attention to that last part, people. Hammy's just been drinkin' is all :)

Desert Punk is great! The fansub blows, the english Dub rules!
Ursus
post #6  on July 23, 2006 - 9:58 PM PDT  
What's so great about Desert Punk? What a great question. Why not click and find out.
jross3
post #7  on July 23, 2006 - 10:52 PM PDT  
What's so great about Noir? not a whole lot, unfortunately.

What's so great about ROD? Lots. She stops bullets with paper. If that doesn't do it for you it's just not your kind of show.

What's so great about Crest of the Stars? "space opera". They have really complex relationships in very unusual circumstances. IN SPACE. People that like the series latch on to one or both of those two traits. CotS was great for me, and I liked BotS1, but I got bored before I finished BotS2. The whole thing felt very dry to me in a way, which was fine for the first two series but just wore on me in the third.
Battie
post #8  on July 24, 2006 - 12:25 AM PDT  
Same here...couldn't get into Eva. Or the tv series for umm...Escaflowne.
Ursus
post #9  on July 24, 2006 - 7:54 AM PDT  
But what of the OVA for Escaflowne, dear Battie?
hamano
post #10  on July 24, 2006 - 9:41 AM PDT  
> On July 24, 2006 - 7:54 AM PDT Ursus wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> But what of the OVA for Escaflowne, dear Battie?
> ---------------------------------

Er... there is no OVA of Escaflowne (just a movie), Ursus. Unless you mean this one...
Ursus
post #11  on July 24, 2006 - 11:04 AM PDT  
Nice Try...
jeffs
post #12  on July 24, 2006 - 1:51 PM PDT  

OMG, how dare you not like Wings...oh wait I hated it too. Er, is it really that well liked?

You didn't like ROD? I mean it wasn't OMG great, but it was still pretty cool, and I grew up with Superfriends, Justice League and the Wonder Twins.

Crest and Banner are on the slow side, but giving up on it after just one episode? It does move at a crawl, but I really like the series (but I do seem to remember the first episode not being that good)

It's so good to know that I'm not the only one that didn't like Escaflowne. I thought I was broken.

The ones I don't understand:

Akira (maybe it was groundbreaking)
Hellsing (bad fights, and bad ending)
GITS movies (boring philosophical rantings, but the series is great)
Utena (Maybe I didn't look deep enough into it, but I still don't like it)
Ursus
post #13  on July 24, 2006 - 7:30 PM PDT  
Utena. Thank you. I knew there was one I had forgoten.

If David Lynch had travelled back in time with Meatloaf to the early 80's to make an animated rock opera, why then you'd have Utena. I'm pretty open-minded, but that is some f-ing weird shit, and I not talkin' about just the "hook-ups," *wink, wink*. That show gives me the hebede-bejeebes -not unlike the first (and only) time I "saw" The Crying Game; I had to sleep with the lights on! Just kidding about the lights thing, but you see my point.

Load that baby into the anime cannon for a one-way ride at escape velocity out of this solar system!
hamano
post #14  on July 24, 2006 - 7:44 PM PDT  
> On July 24, 2006 - 7:30 PM PDT Ursus wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> If David Lynch had travelled back in time with Meatloaf to the early 80's to make an animated rock opera, why then you'd have Utena.

See, to me that would be interesting, certainly more so than Meatloaf by himself. And he was one of the actors in the Rocky Horror Picture Show! He was *this* far away from Susan Sarandon, for chrissake!

Akira, Hellsing TV, and GitS movies I totally agree with jeffs. I'd add Lain and Witch Hunter Robin.
Battie
post #15  on July 24, 2006 - 8:04 PM PDT  
> On July 24, 2006 - 1:51 PM PDT jeffs wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Akira (maybe it was groundbreaking)
> Hellsing (bad fights, and bad ending)
> GITS movies (boring philosophical rantings, but the series is great)
> Utena (Maybe I didn't look deep enough into it, but I still don't like it)
> ---------------------------------

Hellsing I wouldn't call cannon-worthy, but the tv series was pretty...Eh for me. The first OVA, however, was pretty good.
jeffs
post #16  on July 24, 2006 - 8:50 PM PDT  

I didn't much care for lain the first time I watched it either, but for some reason I watched it again when tech tv showed it. I liked it a lot more the second time around.

I think what bothers me about Hellsing is that it had promise. It wasn't that bad, but I thought it could have been great.
Ursus
post #17  on July 25, 2006 - 9:41 AM PDT  
> On July 24, 2006 - 8:50 PM PDT jeffs wrote:
>
> I think what bothers me about Hellsing is that it had promise. It wasn't that bad, but I thought it could have been great.
> ---------------------------------

Exactly! Which is why I'm psyched to the gills over the OVA for Hellsing-can't wait.
Ayato4me
post #18  on July 27, 2006 - 4:54 PM PDT  
It's funny because I think it has become such a cliche to be an EVA hater! It's like *everyone* is doing it these days. I guess to be a *real* anime afficionado, you've got to be too cool for EVA.

But anyway, I'd watched anime before and was a fan of Akira in the 1990's, the other's I saw around that time were "ok" but nothing special. I admit that at that time, my city wasn't graced with the best anime out there. I've seen a lot of older anime since then that was good, but we were at the mercy of whoever ordered the crap that they rented in the local video stores. It wasn't until my husband showed me a fansub of EVA that I became a true anime fan. I watched it all at one sitting the first time. There are other animes that I've felt the urge to watch more often, but EVA still remains one of my favorite (I'd have to be a bit of a masochist to want to go through those emotions more than the 3 occasions that I've watched it).

As to why it appeals, well, it was basically the first anime that I had seen that had such a deep and complicated plot. Having had a long term relationship with a Jewish guy who was into the Occult, I had studied a lot of Kabbalah back in college. So I automatically picked up on all the religious symbolism in the series which I found really interesting. Plus the whole emotional exploration of the main characters struck a cord with me (I was a neurotic kid too, what can I say?). Then there is the fact that the art is cool (kinda dated now, but still good) the music is great, and the story is complicated and interesting. I think it is pretty brilliant to make three main characters that are at the same time so very interesting yet so unlikable. Honestly, at the end, I don't really care that bad things happen to them, yet I'm totally entranced watching it. The first time I watched EVA, I was speechless for hours afterwards. But then I had zero expectations for the series because I had never heard of it at the time, nor had I kept up with any sort of anime that had come out since the early 1990's.

Anyway, just my 3 cents worth.
Ayato4me
post #19  on July 27, 2006 - 5:02 PM PDT  
LAIN! I knew there was some anime that I really disliked enough to make it cannon fodder. I found it very pretentious. It's one thing to actually have a complicated plot (like EVA or RahXephon) but quite another to just pretend to by making things really convoluted and then having the additude that "it's dumb to think that a story should explain everything." That's just silly. I expect that if I watch a show enough times, it should make sense. Otherwise it's just incoherent ramblings like what passed for "art films" in the 1960's. Bleh. Not for me.

On top of that, LAIN was BOR-ing.
hamano
post #20  on July 27, 2006 - 5:19 PM PDT  
> On July 27, 2006 - 4:54 PM PDT Ayato4me wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> It's funny because I think it has become such a cliche to be an EVA hater! It's like *everyone* is doing it these days. I guess to be a *real* anime afficionado, you've got to be too cool for EVA.

I just want to remind everyone that as the resident "anime geezer" I remember not liking EVA way before it became fashionable to hate it! I bet you children were still in your diapers...

So, have you checked out Jin and Jou in Innocent Venus yet?
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