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Fantastic Children?
Topic by: ahogue
Posted: January 22, 2007 - 6:06 PM PST
Last Reply: January 25, 2007 - 8:12 PM PST

author topic: Fantastic Children?
ahogue
post #1  on January 22, 2007 - 6:06 PM PST  
I can't remember if this has been discussed, and a quick search didn't turn up anything obvious. I'm just curious if anyone's seen any of Fantastic Children? Judging from the cover the animation looks a bit crappy and childish, but the story line sounds intriguingly odd. Just curious whether it's worth checking out.
hamano
post #2  on January 23, 2007 - 6:56 AM PST  
I saw the whole thing. For me it was like a better version of Now and Then, Here and There. My main problem with NTHT was that there was a somewhat improbably insane dictator who was the bad guy. I know he was supposed to be some kind of Hitler figure, but I didn't buy it.

Fantastic Children has a very similar serious and somewhat sad feeling to it. There are also a few elements very reminiscent of Please Save My Earth. I enjoyed Fantastic Children but it's far from being one of my favorite shows. For me the ORIGA song at the end was the real winner, a song I still listen to a lot. There's a version of it in Russian, too.

Another positive thing was the show concludes definitively... I don't think you can fault this show for being open-ended or having a rushed/bad ending.

The character designs are a bit quirky, but you get used to it pretty quick.

I won't go out of my way to recommend this show to everyone, but fans of sombre and thoughtful anime shows will probably like it. Get your hands on the Russian version of the ED song, though. You won't be sorry.
hamano
post #3  on January 23, 2007 - 7:05 AM PST  
I DID recommend Fantastic Children to you in that discussion where you were disappointed about Princess Tutu! Lately the discussion search on GreenCine has been malfunctioning I think. I would do a search for a previous discussion and the search engine would return lots of irrelevant hits, but none on the posting I was looking for. Especially true for searching under "message" and "exact match". I hope some staffer is reading this and can cajole the techs into looking into it. My thought is that in the process of improving the movie search engine something went wrong with the discussion search, but that could be wrong.

I noticed this when dpowers started his "Which movie would you spend a year in?" game and I was trying to find the game we had a few months ago that was similar.
hamano
post #4  on January 23, 2007 - 7:19 AM PST  
Oh, here's the original "ahogue/Fantastic Children" thing... I'd say it's time you gave it a spin!
ahogue
post #5  on January 23, 2007 - 10:38 AM PST  
> On January 23, 2007 - 7:19 AM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Oh, here's the original "ahogue/Fantastic Children" thing... I'd say it's time you gave it a spin!
> ---------------------------------

Oh, I knew it sounded familiar. Okay, I'm moving that up along with Hikaru no Go (which has enough disks out now that if I pace myself I might not need to wait forever for later disks) now that I'm done with Genshiken and Elfen Lied. About to start the fourth disk of Battle Athletes as well, so now is the moment of truth where that series is concerned (according to its fans, I mean).

I finally decided to give Buffy a spin recently and that's been eating into my anime time. It's the most brilliant piece of unabashed schlock I've ever seen. Gabriel Garcia Marquez crossed with Vincent Price and Valley Girls. Love it. Only gave it a chance finally because Firefly was so good.

It seems that the majority of forum systems out there have search engines that range from spotty to broken. Not sure why that is, that sort of search algorithm is not so hard to write, methinks.
hamano
post #6  on January 23, 2007 - 1:02 PM PST  
> On January 23, 2007 - 10:38 AM PST ahogue wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I finally decided to give Buffy a spin recently and that's been eating into my anime time. It's the most brilliant piece of unabashed schlock I've ever seen.

Oh, well, that's certainly a worthy pursuit, much more so than Fantastic Children or even Princess Tutu. In the end I thought Buffy was a better show than X-Files, even if the brilliance of the show was dulled somewhat after the stupendous second season. I wish the series had a stronger finish, but finishing things off properly is probably Joss Whedon's weakest side... he seems to want things to go on forever.

I think in the last couple of seasons Buffy had used up all its creative energy. The mojo was there only with quirky episodes like the "Buffy Musical"

If your interest in Buffy begins to wane you might want to try Xena: Warrior Princess.
ahogue
post #7  on January 23, 2007 - 4:24 PM PST  
> On January 23, 2007 - 1:02 PM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On January 23, 2007 - 10:38 AM PST ahogue wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I finally decided to give Buffy a spin recently and that's been eating into my anime time. It's the most brilliant piece of unabashed schlock I've ever seen.
>
> Oh, well, that's certainly a worthy pursuit, much more so than Fantastic Children or even Princess Tutu. In the end I thought Buffy was a better show than X-Files, even if the brilliance of the show was dulled somewhat after the stupendous second season.
----

I was not an avid fan of X-Files, but I think I saw enough of it to agree with you. X-Files was a very well done show, but had none of the surprising depth that Buffy does.

I just finished the second season and images from it have stuck with me for weeks. Weeks! And then Angel comes back after thousands of years in hell, so degraded that he's little more than a snarling animal! There's just something so monumental about that, that's like Miltonic stuff right there.

As I was going through the season I started to tire of watching Buffy and Angel making out all the time -- I actually thought the show was tanking for a few episodes. But in hindsight all that has taken on an uncomfortable, distantly familiar air about it. I eventually realized that it had reminded me of the feeling of being in love at that age, of feeling so intensely and yet knowing that unthinkable doom could not be far away. Not entirely pleasant and very surprising indeed.

And how many TV shows have ever had such an effect on me? None that I can recall, except perhaps one or two exceptional animes.

The first few scripts (written by Whedon, no less) of the third season were bad missteps, but the several episodes since then have been much better. So far, awful beginning notwithstanding, the third season seems to be more polished and less variable. There are fewer peaks and troughs, but of course the peaks so far have more than redeemed the troughs, so this is not necessarily an improvement.


>I wish the series had a stronger finish, but finishing things off properly is probably Joss Whedon's weakest side... he seems to want things to go on forever.

Indeed, I read somewhere recently that he is continuing the series in comic book form.


> If your interest in Buffy begins to wane you might want to try Xena: Warrior Princess.
> ---------------------------------

Is Xena really comparable? I saw a few episodes when it was aired and thought it looked pretty awful. Then again, at that time I would likely have had the same reaction to any random episode of Buffy I'd have come across.

As with anime I can't get any of my (corporeal) friends to appreciate Buffy. It is a kind of snobbery, no doubt, an unintentional kind. An unfortunate inability to look beyond a schlocky surface.

But Xena? Really?
hamano
post #8  on January 23, 2007 - 8:54 PM PST  
> On January 23, 2007 - 4:24 PM PST ahogue wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Is Xena really comparable? I saw a few episodes when it was aired and thought it looked pretty awful. Then again, at that time I would likely have had the same reaction to any random episode of Buffy I'd have come across.

In terms of serious academic attention from popular culture scholars Xena ranks right up there with Buffy and X-files, I think. Check out:

Buffyverse all things philosophical site... especially the existential scoobies section

Whoosh.org back issues for Xena studies... Whoosh has published articles and essays pertaining to Xena continuously from 1996 to 2004 or so...

> As with anime I can't get any of my (corporeal) friends to appreciate Buffy. It is a kind of snobbery, no doubt

Well, that's why you come here, right?
^_^


> But Xena? Really?

Really. Especially if you used to like Asterix and Obelix comics around the time you were taking Latin in high school. Of course it helps if you have a good appetite for campy lesbian humor. Hercules, the Kevin Sorbo series that Xena spun off from, was also a lot of fun, but ultimately Xena had more of a cultural impact. It may help you to know that Xena and Hercules were both produced by Sam Raimi and his gang of friends from the Evil Dead days... there are many guest appearances by Bruce Campbell.
ahogue
post #9  on January 25, 2007 - 5:46 PM PST  
> On January 23, 2007 - 8:54 PM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> In terms of serious academic attention from popular culture scholars Xena ranks right up there with Buffy and X-files, I think. Check out:

Hm, I always assumed that was just from the Queer Studies contingent.


> > It may help you to know that Xena and Hercules were both produced by Sam Raimi and his gang of friends from the Evil Dead days... there are many guest appearances by Bruce Campbell.
> ---------------------------------

Ah, why didn't anyone say so? I can hear my GPA quaking in fear.
hamano
post #10  on January 25, 2007 - 8:12 PM PST  
> On January 25, 2007 - 5:46 PM PST ahogue wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On January 23, 2007 - 8:54 PM PST hamano wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > In terms of serious academic attention from popular culture scholars Xena ranks right up there with Buffy and X-files, I think. Check out:
>
> Hm, I always assumed that was just from the Queer Studies contingent.

Hence the mention of the campy lesbian humor quotient. But I think the academic interest is from the pop-culture, post-feminism, and gender politics contingents.

I mostly tried to ignore the appearances of Bruce Campbell and Sam Raimi's brother Ted, both of whom I find annoying. In terms of the series they're about as relevant as Fred Schneider was in the B-52's... disposable to some, essential to others...

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