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ARowe asks - What's a really great Asian love story on film?
Topic by: hamano
Posted: December 21, 2004 - 8:36 AM PST
Last Reply: March 11, 2005 - 5:38 PM PST

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author topic: ARowe asks - What's a really great Asian love story on film?
hamano
post #1  on December 21, 2004 - 8:36 AM PST  
"Sex is Zero" is a really good Korean love story!
hamano
post #2  on December 21, 2004 - 8:51 AM PST  
Actually, I'm curious myself... My Sassy Girl didn't quite do it for me. I can't remember any Asian love story films on par with say, Amelie. At least not one that doesn't have a tragic or at least sad ending...

If we include sad endings, there are plenty... Raise the Red Lantern, Shitamachi, In the Realm of the Senses (well, sort of...), In the Mood for Love, The Lover... really excellent films, but if you're a sucker for a happy ending you want to stay away from them.

Just to make suggestions easier, maybe you can tell us which American or European films you liked that were what you call "great love stories," ARowe...

Hmm... how about Kurosawa's very early post-war film, Wonderful Sunday? It's kinda sappy, with a plea for audience participation Peter Pan-style. Love among the ruins of WW2... it's a socially meaningful film in that respect, helping to lift the hopes of a defeated people... memorable scenes are set among the rubble of a ruined city. Will young love triumph? Rent it and see...
lizzoqops
post #3  on December 21, 2004 - 9:15 AM PST  
> On December 21, 2004 - 8:51 AM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Actually, I'm curious myself... My Sassy Girl didn't quite do it for me. I can't remember any Asian love story films on par with say, Amelie. At least not one that doesn't have a tragic or at least sad ending...
>

Or a crazy ending like "House of Flying Daggers".

> If we include sad endings, there are plenty... Raise the Red Lantern, Shitamachi, In the Realm of the Senses (well, sort of...), In the Mood for Love, The Lover... really excellent films, but if you're a sucker for a happy ending you want to stay away from them.
>

In the Mood for Love is an amazing movie. 2046 is a great follow-up.

> Just to make suggestions easier, maybe you can tell us which American or European films you liked that were what you call "great love stories," ARowe...
>

This would be very helpful. If I posted mine, you'd see my problem with love stories.


> Hmm... how about Kurosawa's very early post-war film, Wonderful Sunday? It's kinda sappy, with a plea for audience participation Peter Pan-style. Love among the ruins of WW2... it's a socially meaningful film in that respect, helping to lift the hopes of a defeated people... memorable scenes are set among the rubble of a ruined city. Will young love triumph? Rent it and see...
> ---------------------------------

I hear that those Mei Ah discs are really hard to get through due to bad subtitles. I haven't actually watched them. Right now, it's the only way to see those movies on dvd (the ones not available on Criterion dvds)(Region 1).

This is a great love story.

And what about this?
hamano
post #4  on December 21, 2004 - 9:49 AM PST  
Oh, yeah, and how about the one where the tiny twins from Infant Island do the nasty with the entire Hanshin Tigers Baseball Team while Mothra watches? Mothra's wing wang grows to the size of Tsutenkaku Tower... How romantic!
markhl
post #5  on December 21, 2004 - 10:35 AM PST  
> On December 21, 2004 - 8:51 AM PST hamano wrote:
> If we include sad endings, there are plenty... Raise the Red Lantern, Shitamachi, In the Realm of the Senses (well, sort of...), In the Mood for Love, The Lover... really excellent films, but if you're a sucker for a happy ending you want to stay away from them.

Ooo.. then this opens up a can of worms in terms of korean fliks I know of. One that I can think of the top of my head is.. Scent of Chrysanthemums (not to be mistaken with Scent of Love). Similar in theme, this is where Christmas in August could've gone.. but didn't (not that that was a bad thing by any means). I can easily see people grouping these two together though. As a mature melodrama, I'm not sure if it'll ever make it over to the U.S. (torrents are around at the moment :) *wink*) Oh right. Bungee Jumpin of their Own is an atypical great romance that will leave a definite impression.

People (new to korean cinema especially) have been known to like Lover's Concerto and The Classic among others. I personally wouldn't call these great but I've seen pretty high reviews of these at the same time.

hamano. no comments on Love Letter and April Story? Speaking of Ozu (from the other board), check out One Fine Spring Day.. this director (Hur Jin Ho) has been commented to be similar in style to him before. Coincidentally, the aforementioned Christmas in August is by the same director although by his standards, Christmas... was probably considered to be mainstream :)
markhl
post #6  on December 21, 2004 - 10:36 AM PST  
I always did think Rodan was female.. and had her eyes on the big 'zilla..
hamano
post #7  on December 21, 2004 - 10:54 AM PST  
> On December 21, 2004 - 10:36 AM PST markhl wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I always did think Rodan was female.. and had her eyes on the big 'zilla..
> ---------------------------------

There was a male Rodan AND a female one, and some eggs as well!

Hmmm... don't you think ARowe wants recommendations that are IN the GC catalog, markhlie?
ARowe
post #8  on December 21, 2004 - 11:13 AM PST  
> On December 21, 2004 - 10:54 AM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On December 21, 2004 - 10:36 AM PST markhl wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I always did think Rodan was female.. and had her eyes on the big 'zilla..
> > ---------------------------------
>
> There was a male Rodan AND a female one, and some eggs as well!
>
> Hmmm... don't you think ARowe wants recommendations that are IN the GC catalog, markhlie?
> ---------------------------------

You guys are wonderful, I will tell all my friends about this forum I have learned more about Aisan films in the last 24 hours that I have in the last 2 months. keep up the good work. Thank You hamano. By the way I saw Oasis, very interesting, I think the ending could have been better, but a good film over all, I just finished watching the road home, The way home scent of green papaya all good

ARowe
post #9  on December 21, 2004 - 11:16 AM PST  
> On December 21, 2004 - 11:13 AM PST ARowe wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On December 21, 2004 - 10:54 AM PST hamano wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > > On December 21, 2004 - 10:36 AM PST markhl wrote:
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > I always did think Rodan was female.. and had her eyes on the big 'zilla..
> > > ---------------------------------
> >
> > There was a male Rodan AND a female one, and some eggs as well!
> >
> > Hmmm... don't you think ARowe wants recommendations that are IN the GC catalog, markhlie?
> > ---------------------------------
>
> You guys are wonderful, I will tell all my friends about this forum I have learned more about Aisan films in the last 24 hours that I have in the last 2 months. keep up the good work. Thank You hamano. By the way I saw Oasis, very interesting, I think the ending could have been better, but a good film over all, I just finished watching the road home, The way home scent of green papaya all good
>
>
> ---------------------------------

received you PM Hamano. Tks... any one seen Memories of Murder? I read it was one of the highest grossing films in Korea
markhl
post #10  on December 21, 2004 - 12:10 PM PST  
> On December 21, 2004 - 11:16 AM PST ARowe wrote:
> received you PM Hamano. Tks... any one seen Memories of Murder? I read it was one of the highest grossing films in Korea


yes.. but you should be cautious in how you approach it. Popularity in Korea is difficult to directly translate to here. Memories... captures something different to the korean audience. It's still pretty good without it but it (and others like it like Attack the Gas Station) loses some of its undertones.. Romantic comedies seem to translate very well to here though it would appear?

Hamano.. It's just too hard to hold myself back with just the titles in the GC catalog. I prefer to let the name of the titles get out at least so people may remember them and watch long after markhl has passed on from this earth... Also, maybe some of these can make their way into the "request" system as they are released - which is part of the problem..

Another Q hamano.. why are Japanese DVDs so expensive? I know things over there are more expensive but even the "japanese version" ones are consistently about 50% more expensive than even newer release DVDs here..
ARowe
post #11  on December 21, 2004 - 12:41 PM PST  
> On December 21, 2004 - 12:10 PM PST markhl wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On December 21, 2004 - 11:16 AM PST ARowe wrote:
> > received you PM Hamano. Tks... any one seen Memories of Murder? I read it was one of the highest grossing films in Korea
>
>
> yes.. but you should be cautious in how you approach it. Popularity in Korea is difficult to directly translate to here. Memories... captures something different to the korean audience. It's still pretty good without it but it (and others like it like Attack the Gas Station) loses some of its undertones.. Romantic comedies seem to translate very well to here though it would appear?
>
> Hamano.. It's just too hard to hold myself back with just the titles in the GC catalog. I prefer to let the name of the titles get out at least so people may remember them and watch long after markhl has passed on from this earth... Also, maybe some of these can make their way into the "request" system as they are released - which is part of the problem..
>
> Another Q hamano.. why are Japanese DVDs so expensive? I know things over there are more expensive but even the "japanese version" ones are consistently about 50% more expensive than even newer release DVDs here..
> ---------------------------------

Just to make suggestions easier, maybe you can tell us which American or European films you liked that were what you call "great love stories," ARowe

I have not seen to many American or European great love stories, I would have to base the Great Love stories from the Indian films I have seen, such as Devdas, Mujhse Dosti karoge, Dil se.. Na tum Jaano Na Hum and.Mr. & Mrs. Iyer. The first 3 titles mentioned can be found right here ar GC.

lizzoqops
post #12  on December 21, 2004 - 4:32 PM PST  
I liked Asoka. Devdas was way too much for me. I haven't watched Dil Se, but I need to. I liked "Bollywood Hollywood" too, though I suspect that one is a movie that's much better with a crowd.

Not out on Region 1 yet but soon to be: Onibi: The Fire Within.

How about this? It turns into a heartbreaking love story.
hamano
post #13  on December 21, 2004 - 5:07 PM PST  
OK, it looks like you like the really soapy ones. On DVD here, most of the good Japanese stuff like that is anime. Isn't Whisper of the Heart coming out soon on DVD?

markhl, things in Japan are expensive because the consumer market there is tightly controlled, unlike it is here in the US. For example, there are structures in place to protect mom&pop stores from rampant discounting by big chain stores, to prevent what Wal-Mart has done to so many Midwestern towns.

The US tends to protect consumers, but the Japanese tend to protect companies... they pay the consumers' paychecks, after all. Also, the Japanese market is about half the size of the US market, so the economy of scale is probably less.

Well, I'm not an economics guru, so that's about all I know. I'm sure there are good reasons for the cost of living in Japan to stay relatively high....

Are things cheaper in Korea than they are here?
markhl
post #14  on December 21, 2004 - 9:35 PM PST  
> On December 21, 2004 - 5:07 PM PST hamano wrote:
> markhl, things in Japan are expensive because the consumer market there is tightly controlled, unlike it is here in the US. For example, there are structures in place to protect mom&pop stores from rampant discounting by big chain stores,

So what's the incentive for companies to do better against each other? Is it hard for new companies to break into an "established" territory of a large company? This type of pattern was at the heart of the mess that Korea was in when they hit rock bottom and needed all that IMF fund, etc. etc.. I'm not sure what's better.. I think you just pick your poison whichever economic system you're on...


> Are things cheaper in Korea than they are here?

Hmm.. I suppose it depends.. I remember looking into korean DVDs (to be purchased there by an acquaintance) and they're roughly about the same price as those on yesasia. If you want "unofficial" versions, it's pretty easy to find places to buy them dirt cheap I'm sure.. I don't get the feeling that these are as rampant as I've heard in China where for $2 (or maybe less?), they'll copy the DVD and print out a cover and give it to you on the spot.
markhl
post #15  on December 21, 2004 - 9:38 PM PST  
Hmm.. will add those titles to the queue ARowe. I just haven't been able to get into the right frame of mind to watch/appreciate Bollywood movies so far. I can't seem to get past the musical/singing/dancing element of it. I don't think I "get" it yet. Good thing there's a nice GC primer (if I recall correctly) when I'm ready to start that phase...
hamano
post #16  on December 21, 2004 - 10:06 PM PST  
> On December 21, 2004 - 9:38 PM PST markhl wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Hmm.. will add those titles to the queue ARowe. I just haven't been able to get into the right frame of mind to watch/appreciate Bollywood movies so far. I can't seem to get past the musical/singing/dancing element of it. I don't think I "get" it yet.

Oh, yeah? Do what I did.

First watch Lagaan... This is pretty much exactly like a typical sports anime plot, so if you understood Hikago or Princess Nine you'll get it for sure.

Then watch Ghost World followed by Gumnaam. Then you'll get it. Man I almost had a transcendental experience, seeing how Ms. Kitty's end in Gumnaam reflected Charlie's fate in the last episode of LOST... You'll see how Bollywood films really relate to everything that goes on in our own society!

Before Lagaan and Ghost World came along, I confess I only watched Mira Nair and Satyajit Ray films. Those were "artsy"... But now I've awakened to the mystery and allure of Bollywood, and all I want to do is get to know that sweater girl in the poster for Bollywood Hollywood a little better.... er make that a LOT better... OK, Bollywood Hollywood isn't really a Bollywood film at all, I realize, but still.... that sweater (is it angora?)....
kamapuaa
post #17  on December 21, 2004 - 10:36 PM PST  
In my contentious way, I disagree with half the thread. "Amelie" was a great love story? It was a great movie, but she didn't actually, you know, talk to the guy, in the entire fucking film. "She Loves Me, She Loves Me Not" had Amelie's romance more or less pegged.

There's plenty good happy Asian romances - talking about art films isn't fair. Art films world-wide tend to have sad endings. Although "Chungking Express" is (to my mind) better than "Amelie." And Sammi Cheng's movies are trifles but often a lot of fun and very in the American rocom mode - "Needing You," "Love on a Diet," & "Summer Holiday" are all worth checking out. (I admit I love the concept of capitalist romances and wish there was an American equivalent.)

Also, while I love most of the primers, the Bollywood Primer here isn't very good and the recommendations are odd & pedestrian - recommending "Kaho Naa Pyaar Hai" is a real head-scratcher, it didn't get good reviews or business, and it certainly wasn't influential. If you like romantic comedies, check out "Kal Ho Naa Ho," if you like snootier movies, check out "Bombay." And, Bollywood romance is 0% like "Whispers of the Heart."
hamano
post #18  on December 21, 2004 - 11:12 PM PST  
Hey, look everyone! kamapuaa says he AGREES with half of this thread! Yay!

^_^
hamano
post #19  on December 21, 2004 - 11:28 PM PST  
> On December 21, 2004 - 10:36 PM PST kamapuaa wrote:
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> Bollywood romance is 0% like "Whispers of the Heart."
> ---------------------------------

Oh, what are you talking about? Of all the Studio Ghibli films, Whispers of the Heart is the one that is the MOST like a Bollywood romance! With the possible exception of Pompoko!
kamapuaa
post #20  on December 21, 2004 - 11:30 PM PST  
Ha! That is some kind of record for me.

And I meant to say "He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not." Not she.
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