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Akira Kurosawa
Topic by: Eoliano
Posted: January 11, 2003 - 7:49 AM PST
Last Reply: November 2, 2004 - 6:48 AM PST

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author topic: Akira Kurosawa
Eoliano
post #1  on January 11, 2003 - 7:49 AM PST  
Comments welcome!
Eoliano
post #2  on January 23, 2003 - 4:06 AM PST  
>> jaquestati wrote:

came across your kurosawa wish list..... i agree.... tho i'd add dreams.....

Dreams, among others, would be on that list if there was more room on the comments list.

>> have you seen this... but i wonder if greencine knows its out there?

You'll have to ask them if they are interested.

I happen to have that copy of The Bad Sleep Well, it not all that great, at least not when compared to the Criterion LD, which I have a copyof and have transferred to VHS. They haven't any plans for a DVD just yet, but they recently announced that there will be a DVD of Ikiru released later in the year.


Eoliano
post #3  on January 23, 2003 - 4:18 AM PST  
I have the BFI DVD of Throne of Blood. It's as good if not better than Criterion's LD.

You just need to buy an all region DVD player, and the world will open up for you as a colletor, then no borders or region codes will stand in the way.
Eoliano
post #4  on January 23, 2003 - 4:22 AM PST  
Wrong link! That was for the VHS - here is the link for the DVD:

> I have the BFI DVD of Throne of Blood.
jaquestati
post #5  on January 23, 2003 - 11:41 AM PST  
another one i wish would come out is STRAY DOG...... i've only seen it once.....

you would think there would be some money in releasing these things the way dvd sales have gone thru the roof this year:(

compaines finally started hitting fassbinder hard this past year or two..... (tho where is DESPAIR and ALI: FEAR EATS SOUL UP?)

i'm just sorta confused by the whole thing (realease) really..... when a show as obscure as SANDBAGGERS or STINGRAY! can get released... why is there no money in DESPAIR or DREAMS ? :(

dpowers
post #6  on January 24, 2003 - 4:39 AM PST  
> why is there no money in DESPAIR or DREAMS ? <

you know a telemarketer from worldcom asked me that same question just last night.
Eoliano
post #7  on January 24, 2003 - 7:24 AM PST  

> > why is there no money in DESPAIR or DREAMS ? <

> you know a telemarketer from worldcom asked me that same question just last night.

What did you tell them?

DESPAIR - Sadly, not Fassbinder's finest film. But it has got Bogarde, and Fassbinder's films are beginning to trickle out.

DREAMS - Not one of Akira Kurosawa's best, but it will eventually find its way on DVD.

Not all films will make it onto the format as quickly as you would like, tati, but patience notwithstanding, they will appear, and disappear, just as they did one the big screen.
dpowers
post #8  on January 24, 2003 - 8:03 AM PST  
>>> why is there no money in DESPAIR or DREAMS ? <
<<

>> you know a telemarketer from worldcom asked me that same question just last night. <<

> What did you tell them? <

the question was only apparent after involuntary analysis of the primary text. i answered it by hanging up.
Eoliano
post #9  on January 24, 2003 - 1:26 PM PST  

> the question was only apparent after involuntary analysis of the primary text. i answered it by hanging up.

Or in despair, you hung up and went into a dream.
jaquestati
post #10  on January 24, 2003 - 1:41 PM PST  
> DESPAIR - Sadly, not Fassbinder's finest film. But it has got Bogarde, and Fassbinder's films are beginning to trickle out.
>
> DREAMS - Not one of Akira Kurosawa's best, but it will eventually find its way on DVD.
>

yes despair is definately lower rung fassbinder but i have only seen it once and that was before i was such a big fan..... sorta hoping my memory of that one viewing isn't very kind to it :) :(

re dreams..... i gotta dissagree..... it's one of my favorites.... "the tunnel" and "Village of the Watermills", in particular....... i always wished that to be the last kurosawa we saw... a perfect ending in alot of ways....

more colorful even than RAN..... where he poured so much of it into the paintings and as great as RAN is i think he left alot of that on those pages/in those paintings like hitchcock was prone to do with his storyboards....(great book if you can find it.... think it only came out on the uk the RAN paintings that is..) to me Dreams was a great and logical next step...... and his more personal "art" went up on screen and not just into the pages of an obscure UK book.....and Dreams will look amazing if they do a decent dvd of it :) :(

movies are a personal thing.... but i used to own both movies and watched dreams with people maybe 10-15 times.... i have only seen ran twice..... great tho it is....

sidetracking- my personal Dreams movie theater story is a hoot......
i was going to like my 4th art school (savannah colege of art and design in savannah georgia) and i was thumbing thru the paper and came across a movie at the local multiplex along with all the ussual summer crap...... called DREAMS i did a double take as this was not a theater that EVER showed anythign remotely arty or obscure..... i even had to call up the theater and ask..... "ok DREAMS is this akira kurosawa's dreams?" "yea its some foreign movie." she replied and off i went to the bus stop ina state of shock....

i get there buy my ticket and go in..... as i am getting some popcorn and a diet coke.... i sorta notice these 2 kids (around 8 or 9 maybe 10 or 11 its hard to say) getting a hard time....... turns out they were dropped off by thier parents and there is nothing g rated for them to get into :(
and as i went into the dreams theater they were on the verge of getting thrown out/asked to call a relative.....

i get into the theater its 5 minutes before showtime.... and not a soul is in there.... a giant suburban thetaer and i am the only sould inside this screening room :( :)

stake out the best seat and sit back and wonder if they will actually run it :)

1 minute to showtime i hear a rustle and see the 2 kids coming in the back..... my guess is they talked to the parents on the phone and said there is a pg film here will you let them see that? or just decided hey pg let em go......

i'd already seen reviews of dreams and kne this was gonna be intersting (if only for the little 8 year olds :) :(

5 minutes into "Sunshine Through The Rain" i start to hear mumblings.... the mumblings turn into all out talking.... the talking continues and my wonderful and unexpected chance tyo see my first kurosawa film on the big screen is slipping away from me word by word :( giggle by giggle.....

i give it another 3-4 minutes of fuming then i explode.....

i stand up turn around and staring at the little kids with thier hands full of m and m's and popcorn looking like deer caught in the headlights frozen and silent..... i yell at the top of my lungs as angry as i can muster and thats pretty angry... "SHUT THE FUCK UP...... puasing and then alittle less loud "AND WATCH THE MOVIE."

they are about 10 rows behind me..... as i turn to sit back down i hear and then see dozens of m and m's cascading down the floors past me....... i still remember and love that particular sound....... :)

i'm not ussually mean....... but that day i was...... and not a peep was heard from them the rest of the movie..... no doubt traumatized for life..... i often wonder what they thought of the actual movie...... :) they left during the credits, which i never do so i didnt get the chance to ask them :) :(

sigh...... memories......

io often wonder how dreams got released there and then..... no doubt lucas and spielbierg played a hand/muscle somewhere i imagine....

Eoliano
post #11  on January 24, 2003 - 6:10 PM PST  
>> more colorful even than RAN...

Colorful, yes. But Dreams has not got the depth, nor is it as emotionally or dramatically charged as Ran.
jaquestati
post #12  on January 24, 2003 - 9:17 PM PST  
> On January 24, 2003 - 6:10 PM PST Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> >> more colorful even than RAN...
>
> Colorful, yes. But Dreams has not got the depth, nor is it as emotionally or dramatically charged as Ran.
> ---------------------------------

i can't agree.....

and for what its worth....

i have......

and i have seen other people sob during parts of Dreams... where as Ran...... admiting i have not seen it as much or shown it to as many.... doesnt really get anybody going either way..... great and awe inspiring spectacle that it is :) :( its just not as personal.....
Eoliano
post #13  on February 3, 2003 - 6:31 PM PST  
>> and i have seen other people sob during parts of Dreams... where as Ran......

I fail to understand how crying could measure the emotional impact of a film.
dpowers
post #14  on February 3, 2003 - 11:03 PM PST  
common question #25:
I fail to understand how crying could measure the emotional impact of a film.

while crying was once used to measure emotional impact of entertainment, more accurate methods are now used, and it is in the careful processing of the tears in the lab, after the movie is over, that the modern moviegoer can come to appreciate the depth of a movie.

once the tears have reached the lab, total volume of tears is measured, but is not included in the calculations of emotional impact unless complete fluid intake data is available for the test subject.

following that, the tears are carefully separated into four sets.

set one is frozen immediately for later comparison.

set two is tested for mineral content and density, which results in a highly accurate estimate of the movie's dramatic purity.

set three is vibrated at extremely high frequency to determine the emotional resonance of the movie.

set four is electrified, and patterns in the current are read by nano-precision instruments. the complexity of these patterns and of the crystallization they induce are given both dynamic and multidriven ruan-chaplin scores, to indicate the range of emotional response.

DRC and MRC scores are then adjusted according to standard practice. the adjusted total ruan-chaplin result is then returned to the movie theater. in most cases the film is simply burned on receipt of the results; in some cases, the projector is also demolished.

[your time is important! has this answer your question? (yes) (no)]
dwhudson
post #15  on February 4, 2003 - 7:13 AM PST  

> [your time is important! has this answer your question? (yes) (no)]

Not really, but it did make me laugh, so that's hardly time wasted.
Eoliano
post #16  on February 4, 2003 - 9:08 AM PST  
>> while crying was once used to measure emotional impact of entertainment, more accurate methods are now used, and it is in the careful processing of the tears in the lab,

William Castle tried to use a gimmick to make audiences cry with Lacrym-O, although it wasn't very successful. It worked via invisible electronic rays emanating from various locations throughout the theater that dilated the tear duct, thereby producing actual tears. Packages of tissue were distributed to ticket holders as they entered the theater.

After his other gimmicks such as Illusion-O, Emergo and Percepto, he would try anything to get an audience response.


dpowers
post #17  on February 4, 2003 - 10:21 AM PST  
swinging away from kurosawa

> William Castle tried to use a gimmick to make audiences cry with Lacrym-O ... After his other gimmicks such as Illusion-O, Emergo and Percepto, he would try anything to get an audience response. <

joe dante and company used his gimmickry nicely to offer (comic) perspective on the cuban missile crisis matinee. the setup of the theater for the premiere of "mant" is very detailed, funny, nostalgic, and suitably diversionary from the anxiety du jour.

and back to kurosawa

kurosawa even did something like this, shooting high and low in black and white for that one moment of visual WOW at the climax. you could look at as a cheap trick but the rest of it had been so hard-boiled, a little levity was well deserved.
dpowers
post #18  on February 4, 2003 - 10:22 AM PST  
high and low.
dpowers
post #19  on February 4, 2003 - 10:25 AM PST  
>> has this answer your question? (yes) (no) <<

> Not really, but it did make me laugh, so that's hardly time wasted. <

i wasted nearly fifteen seconds this morning, intentionally. i just let them slide right out of my grasp and splash on the floor. it felt really good!
Eoliano
post #20  on February 6, 2003 - 5:23 PM PST  
Attention jaquestati!

Kurosawa's Dreams is scheduled for a March 18th release on DVD .
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