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The Convergence Begins
Topic by: hamano
Posted: March 14, 2006 - 2:49 PM PST
Last Reply: March 25, 2006 - 5:10 PM PST

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author topic: The Convergence Begins
hamano
post #1  on March 14, 2006 - 2:49 PM PST  
I'm sure some of you have followed my ravings comparing anime and Bollywood. Am I crazy? Or just ahead of the curve???!!!

The Grand Convergence is starting! Mwa ha ha ha ha! Ooh, I better copyright or trademark a superhero based on Ganesha right away...
hamano
post #2  on March 14, 2006 - 2:56 PM PST  
Oh, a note on something that appears at the bottom of that article... Osamu Tezuka (Astroboy, Black Jack) already published a graphic novel about the life of Buddha so Chopra and Deepak Jr. better be careful not to pull a Disney/Lion King thing...
Ursus
post #3  on March 15, 2006 - 8:20 AM PST  
I will now posit a theory as to why it won't work:

Cows and Breasts! Just Bear with Me...

We here in the West LOVE Beef... all things Beef from bloody, sorry, "tar-tar," to blackened. We eat it fried, broiled, barbequed, grilled, smoked, dried, and raw; through street vendors, drive-throughs, dumps, dives, fancy eateries, ball parks, and gas stations. WE LOVE BEEF!

The Japanese with their limited land mass available for cattle highly prize Beef amidst their sea-based diet (Kobe Beef is DE-Lish-US!). As such, Beef is, I would consider, a bit of a luxury item compared to its wide availability here in the US.

Besides being Beef-Fanatical, the Japanese (and this is a bit of a generalization, as is this whole post... but why stop now? :), and by Japanese I am refering to personal experience with Japanese Nationals and popular Japanese culture, love Breasts. If it is possible for an entire nation to be enamored with Breasts, then Japan is a "breast-man." (Pardon the crass humor)And, not just any breasts, but large breasts; from mid-sized to freakishly large, they've got it bad for the breast.

We here in the West, in addition to having an abundance of Beef are also blessed with an above average sample of above average bosoms... Do you see where I am going?

The cross-fascination of cultures between Japan and the US is inevitable. Like PBJ with a glass of milk they just go together. It is the love of Beef and Breasts that is the tie that binds us together.

But, what of India? The two greatest stumbling blocks between India and the West are religion and Cows... but, since when has the crushing of a native religion or people ever stopped the West, the US in particular, from making a buck? Never. However, India doesn't dig on Beef like we do (see Indian Religions) or at least to the same degree of excess. So, in this regard, India and the US are like a Vegan and a Carnivore trying to be friends... it ain't happening folks. Does India like breast? Well, I say, who doesn't, but I haven't the experience to base any wild/gross generalization on (but when has that ever stopped me).

However, all nations and people like money (with a few exceptions). As Chris Rock says, "americans worship money." Its true people, we do. So, greed may be the trump card that brings this strange date between the Vegan and the Carnivore to a "happy" ending. Money trumps Beef. Money trumps breasts. And for some people, Money trumps religion or is their religion.

Now, if you will excuse me, I am going to go eat a whopper while watching some NLEE approved porn.
hamano
post #4  on March 15, 2006 - 9:27 AM PST  
Well, as you know, real cowboys like their steaks well done, but I think that's just being "old fashioned" in these days post-Brokeback Mountain. I think as soon as JLo appeared on the pop-culture radar, the global trend is to appreciate a fine caboose rather than a monster cleavage.

Just look at the position we find Pamela Anderson in today... she's reduced to using her "assets" to humorously counterpoint her PETA campaign to stop KFC from "abusing" their chickens by endowing them with extra-meaty breasts.

I think Bollywood loves boobies as much as the next person, but neither do they produce freaks with scrawny abs punctuated by shallow bellybuttons and impoverished boy-like hips, thighs and butts! Characters in animation are also starting to buck the Hollywood Barbie Doll trend... just look at the heroines from The Incredibles and Madagascar! The female characters from Yomigaeru Sora ~ Rescue Wings and Mushi-shi are also refreshingly "normal" shaped, and the girls in Windy Tales are downright earthy!

And the old myth that vegetarians and meat lovers can't co-exist? Well Madagascar put and end to that once and for all, too, I think. We can all get along, and we can all love sushi! Just why do you think that in Japan an anime otaku's favorite dish is Beef Curry? I'm telling you, the Grand Convergence is nigh!
Ursus
post #5  on March 15, 2006 - 11:48 AM PST  
Pamela's unfortunate position... damn, I know there is a joke in there somewhere (ain't touchin' it)... has nothing to do with her bust, but lack of talent and taste (a-hem, Kid Rock, Tommy-Lee... did she lose a bet? Even after she got Hepatitis C... Smart she isn't.).

And, yes, the booty has come back into vogue. I personally have never found the tongue-depressor thin/waif/Herion-chic/vapid and shallow socialite tramp types attractive... EVER. Far from being attracted to them, I just want to yell at them to eat something, and not puke it up or jam a feeding tube through their nares into their stomach.

Attractive women eat, not starve. Period. Attractive women have curves. I will applaud India for so far avoiding this most regretable turn of western style. Being fit is one thing, being Skeletore's femail stunt-double is not sexy.

Antiquity aside (e.g. Kama Sutra), when was the last time you heard our resident adult afficienado NLEE rave about Indian porn? Never, that I recall. The element of sex must be their, not nesc. full-frontal hardcore not-legal-in-48 states sexuality, but, for the transition to occur. Sadly, India TV and cinema that I have seen is prudish to put it mildly. They make the amish look like "girls gone wild."

However, as a cache of history, folklore, mythology, etc., India is ripe for strip-mining by the "originality- challenged" and "idea-bankrupt" industry people who are too impatient to wait for the natural ebb and flow of creativity.

Now before y'all start heating that tar above room temperature or booking my one-way passage out of town on a lovely flat-bed railcar... I don't hate India or people of Indian ancestry. I love ya, honestly.

If their is any convergence I believe it to be only for the mining of intellectual content, or story points.

Ursus
post #6  on March 15, 2006 - 11:51 AM PST  
And damn-it! Now you made me hungry for beef curry... with a side of vegan perhaps ;)
lizzoqops
post #7  on March 15, 2006 - 3:13 PM PST  
Since money will buy you all the boobies and beef you need, the circle will be completed.
hamano
post #8  on March 15, 2006 - 3:38 PM PST  
> On March 15, 2006 - 3:13 PM PST lizzoqops wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Since money will buy you all the boobies and beef you need, the circle will be completed.
> ---------------------------------

Another example of carnivores and plant eaters living in harmony! Hakuna Matata! But how much booby does anyone need? Ichiro, the young protagonist of Hanada Shounen-shi...
woozy
post #9  on March 15, 2006 - 4:17 PM PST  
> But how much booby does anyone need? Ichiro, the young protagonist of Hanada Shounen-shi...
> ---------------------------------


Hmm, that picture reminds me of when I was seven years old and went hiking one day and got a few ticks in my scalp and I decided out of curiosity to let them grow to see how big they'd get. One month later, I found out; pretty darned big. And squishy.

Sigh, where's pooja when we need her? She'd have something intelligent, scathingly funny, and utterly pertinent to put this conversation on the right track it so desparately needs to be on.
artifex
post #10  on March 15, 2006 - 7:23 PM PST  
> On March 15, 2006 - 9:27 AM PST hamano wrote:
> Well, as you know, real cowboys like their steaks well done, but I think that's just being "old fashioned" in these days post-Brokeback Mountain. I think as soon as JLo appeared on the pop-culture radar, the global trend is to appreciate a fine caboose rather than a monster cleavage.

I don't get it. If you have a fine piece of steak, the last thing you want to do is cook all the flavor out of it. Of course, I'm hardly a cowboy, though I'm a Texan, because I like things like steak tartare and sushi.

Oh, and for lesser quality beef, country-fried steak, with mashed potatoes, gravy, corn on the cob, maybe some baked beans. That sounds more like cowboy food.
hamano
post #11  on March 15, 2006 - 7:57 PM PST  
> On March 15, 2006 - 7:23 PM PST artifex wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I don't get it. If you have a fine piece of steak, the last thing you want to do is cook all the flavor out of it.

This is what I heard when I did an interview with a buncha real-life working cowboys in Wisdom MT... "We see enough of'em on the hoof so we don't want anything that looks so... bloody. What we see when we doctor them is enough of that. We don't want our steaks to look like it might get up and crawl off the plate..."

There was a cafe and a saloon in Wisdom, and both of them served steaks, but me and my crew were the only ones who ever ordered them rare or medium-rare.
woozy
post #12  on March 15, 2006 - 11:08 PM PST  
Okay, we've got cowboys, Indians, and Japanese converging in some way none of us are capable of understanding. I had a friend who once worked for three years as a cowboy cook. Not too much to say on that subject except that Lipton Onion Soup Pot Roast and Mayonaise cake are yummy if done right. Indians like boobies and sex as much as Americans and Japanese except they are very romantic and subtle and delicate about it. Japanese and Americans, when they like something like to poke and prod at it until it abandons them with great irritation.

Let me know when the convergence happens. Now if they also combine skin flix, pet care, and Pacific Island Singing in the convergence, I'll be there.
Ursus
post #13  on March 16, 2006 - 8:50 AM PST  
Ok...

To Hamano: That is far too many Breasts, bordering on the ridiculous; but it wasn't Shakespeare soooo the authors probably didn't care. In addition, not knowing what unfortunate maledy has befallen that poor lad, I shudder to think of whom he ran a-foul of. It could just be a case of getting too much of what you wish for... in spades!

Having been to Wisdom MT, a charming place (I believe they are featured in Zaggot's) and VERY Montana-minus-progress, they do order well-done. I, personally, never order over med.-rare... cause I am a Carnivore, and I LOVE meat (NOT a word, NLEE, NOT a word. Just CYA :)

To Artifex: Now you got me hungry for Chicken-Fried Steak w/gravy... Hmmmm... Speaking of which, if you ever find yourself on I-90 heading West to Seattle, stop in at a cafe in Ellensburg called the "Blue Grouse." They have a very good Chicken-Fried Steak.

To Lizzoqop: Yes, wealth is indeed the key to many doors... many, wonderful, wonderful doors, but I digress.
artifex
post #14  on March 16, 2006 - 12:19 PM PST  
hamano: ok, I see the point, there. My mom won't eat anything that looks like recognizeable chicken parts, sometimes, and certainly doesn't like talking about them. When she was a kid, of course, she had to chase chickens down and kill them.

> On March 16, 2006 - 8:50 AM PST Ursus wrote:
> Having been to Wisdom MT, a charming place (I believe they are featured in Zaggot's) and VERY Montana-minus-progress, they do order well-done. I, personally, never order over med.-rare... cause I am a Carnivore, and I LOVE meat (NOT a word, NLEE, NOT a word. Just CYA :)

On the other hand, I'm not :) I eat vegetarian when I can, and lots of chicken and fish. But if you take me to a steakhouse, and I'm tired of chicken, I'll go for a small, high-quality piece of beef that I'm going to enjoy.

> To Artifex: Now you got me hungry for Chicken-Fried Steak w/gravy... Hmmmm... Speaking of which, if you ever find yourself on I-90 heading West to Seattle, stop in at a cafe in Ellensburg called the "Blue Grouse." They have a very good Chicken-Fried Steak.

Now you tell me... I lived in Portland for almost 2 years, and hung out in Seattle at least once a month, and wandered east at least 4 times. :)

I think that after someone buys me a winning lottery ticket, I'll have to go up and visit Montana some summer. And some of the other places you and hamano talk about. Who'd have thought I'd get travel ideas from a movie rental board?
Ursus
post #15  on March 16, 2006 - 1:54 PM PST  
Inspiration can come from the most unlikely of places...
hamano
post #16  on March 16, 2006 - 2:10 PM PST  
> On March 16, 2006 - 12:19 PM PST artifex wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Who'd have thought I'd get travel ideas from a movie rental board?

I've traveled to many places I've seen in films, and the "road movie" is a time honored genre, so I would've thought the idea would be natural. Even working in documentaries, I found that directors and cameramen were inspired by films, and wanted to duplicate a shot they saw in a movie or film a scene in a way that was familiar from a movie. "Where can we go to get that shot of the Space Needle where we can pan over to Mt Rainier?" "Where can we get a shot of a field and a barn like the one in Witness?" I found that movies made up a visual dictionary whose vocabulary spanned languages and cultures. Even between locations, just chatting while we drove from one city to another, we'd look around and someone would say something like, "Hey look how straight this road is! Remember Vanishing Point?" "Let's get a shot of an 18 wheeler disappearing into the mirage on the hot pavement!" "What for?" "Because it would look cool! Director-san will figure out a way to use it, right?" "OK, let's do it... get the telephoto zoom lens!"

Once, at the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota, I got a speeding ticket for going TOO SLOW on the highway!
Ursus
post #17  on March 17, 2006 - 5:12 PM PST  
TOO SLOW???

Was it Boobies?

^______^ (Hammy's grin at Sturgis; ear-to-ear baby!!!) :)
hamano
post #18  on March 24, 2006 - 7:47 AM PST  
Well, getting this thread back on topic, another sign that the Convergence is taking place...

The use of AR Rahman's famous song Chaiyya Chaiyya at the beginning of Spike Lee's new film, Inside Man. This first appeared in the famous Bollywood film Dil Se and then was recycled for the Andrew Lloyd Webber musical Bombay Dreams. So is this Spike's nod to Ghost World, or a sincere part of his attempt to be culturally relevant again?

I don't think Spike would make a gesture like that as an offhand joke or just to be weird. Something is definitely happening!

Anyway, JGereben said Inside Man is "great fun" and that's certainly in keeping with the spirit of Bollywood.
Ursus
post #19  on March 24, 2006 - 5:08 PM PST  
> On March 24, 2006 - 7:47 AM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I don't think Spike would make a gesture like... just to be weird. Something is definitely happening!<
>

Are you willing to bet the house on that? Spike is kind-of a wierd cat, and a tad "back-burner" in the indie/innovation dept. of film in my recent memory, not to the effect he had in the early 90's. I'm tempted to chalk it up to "buzz," until I see/hear otherwise.

However, Hammy, as you live close to them "intellectual" types back-east, and I here am surrounded (outside of Missoula) by the fine residents of Montucky or Kentucy-West (depending on where you are) aren't as cultured -not to say that any one area has a lock on rubes or bafoonery. Where was I going with this... ah, yes. I am slowly acquiesing to your "convergence theory," about 60/40 against...

Keep up the fine work, Hammy, and you may just find a convert yet : )

The true test, I believe, will be when Indian cricket matches are televised Monday nights opposite american football. Or, I could be wrong... it wouldn't be, nor shall it be the last time : )

I'm rambling... I going to stop now.
Eoliano
post #20  on March 24, 2006 - 7:50 PM PST  
Spike Lee is a very hip New Yorker and grew up surrounded by music (his father being a jazz bassist/composer), so I imagine that he is a very savvy dude and quite knowledgable when it comes to music. And besides, Bombay Dreams did have a run on Broadway, so it's not as if Rahman's song Chaiyya Chaiyya is unknown to anyone other than a few Bollywoodniks.
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