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Need Help Identifying A Title
	Topic by: kegsy Posted: June 9, 2003 - 7:52 AM PDT Last Reply: July 21, 2008 - 5:01 PM PDT

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kegsy	post #1  on June 9, 2003 - 7:52 AM PDT   Hi, I need a little help identifying a movie i saw a couple of years ago. this is what i can remember about it. The movie is from Iran, and it's about 2 daughters, there father has never let them out of the house, there mother is blind, and one of the neighbours call social services and reports him, a female social workers turns up and forces the father to let the girls out to play. Hopefully someone will know the name of this film as it's a good movie. the movie is subtitles btw. Thanks Kegsy.
dwhudson	post #2  on June 9, 2003 - 9:25 AM PDT   Kegsy, could it be Apple?
kegsy	post #3  on June 10, 2003 - 5:01 AM PDT   yep thats the one, many thanks. now if only greencine or netflix would carry it.
dpowers	post #4  on June 10, 2003 - 7:54 AM PDT   > On June 10, 2003 - 5:01 AM PST kegsy wrote: > --------------------------------- > yep thats the one, many thanks. now if only greencine or netflix would carry it. > --------------------------------- kegsy is an ordinary videohound, but tonight kegsy will be dogged by a completely unexpected dilemma, a dilemma that can only exist... in THE MAKHMALBAF ZONE! no really, movies by samira makhmalbaf or her famous daddy are not making it to DVD in the USA in any great hurry despite their success on the art circuit and at festivals. i don't know the reason.
dwhudson	post #5  on June 10, 2003 - 9:24 AM PDT   I don't, either. We desperately need some company to see the wisdom in releasing a whole line of Iranian films with all the appropriate fanfare, prompting journalists to write long articles in the NYT and the LAT about this national cinema as a long-neglected insider favorite and generally creating the sort of buzz Bollywood's enjoyed in the last few years. With an entire line of them, they'd sell each other.
dpowers	post #6  on June 10, 2003 - 9:44 AM PDT   new yorker films did kandahar, and i think they did the apple, too. but they're not really a box set/collection kind of outfit. they pick up some of the best, best stuff. they're like the anti-miramax. here are some of their recent releases, with links to their whole catalog.
snafu	post #7  on June 10, 2003 - 10:49 AM PDT   The thing about Iranian movies is that they are mostly sad and involve little kids. I just can't watch iranian movies about dirt villages where people are looking for a pair of shoes anymore. It's not really the fault of the movie makers, they are stuck with idiotic censors and rules that prohibit them from making movies that explore different genres. It's just frustrating to see one side of Iran in all the movies. > no really, movies by samira makhmalbaf or her famous daddy are not making it to DVD in the USA in any great hurry despite their success on the art circuit and at festivals. i don't know the reason. > ---------------------------------
underdog	post #8  on June 10, 2003 - 10:52 AM PDT   > On June 10, 2003 - 5:01 AM PST kegsy wrote: > --------------------------------- > yep thats the one, many thanks. now if only greencine or netflix would carry it. > --------------------------------- We ordered THE APPLE for ya Kegsy. It will make a nice addition to our Persian film section. Take *that*, Netf***! :-) Keep checking in for it... C
kegsy	post #9  on June 10, 2003 - 1:27 PM PDT   woohoo nice one greencine. many thanks.
dwhudson	post #10  on June 11, 2003 - 5:45 AM PDT   > The thing about Iranian movies is that they are mostly sad and involve little kids. Snafu, I knew I'd just an excellent bit of writing somewhere that addressed this very issue, but for a day or two, I couldn't remember where it was. Suddenly, I remember. It was here. On the Film-Philosophy list, someone asks, " Why is so much good Iranian cinema so given to children as protagonists? Is it just a matter of politics or what else?" And Robert Koehler, a reviewer for Variety and a very sharp guy, explains how this is misconception came about - it's a quick, succinct read. Recommended!
snafu	post #11  on June 11, 2003 - 8:45 AM PDT   A very nice write up, could have used a bit more spacing in there but still very nice. It still doesn't address the sad part of the iranian cinema but I see you guys have Baran and Kandahar two films I've wanted to see very cool. > On June 11, 2003 - 5:45 AM PST dwhudson wrote: > --------------------------------- > > > The thing about Iranian movies is that they are mostly sad and involve little kids. > > Snafu, I knew I'd just an excellent bit of writing somewhere that addressed this very issue, but for a day or two, I couldn't remember where it was. Suddenly, I remember. It was here. > > On the Film-Philosophy list, someone asks, " Why is so much good Iranian cinema so given to children as protagonists? Is it just a matter of politics or what else?" And Robert Koehler, a reviewer for Variety and a very sharp guy, explains how this is misconception came about - it's a quick, succinct read. Recommended! > ---------------------------------
Gradalis	post #12  on June 11, 2003 - 11:01 AM PDT   Thanks ever-so-much for Koehler's succinct take on the export of Iranian films. He is keenly aware of distorted perceptions created by the relatively finite exposure to a country's cinematic output. This plays into a particular problem I have with film distribution in America, the limits of which are quite clear (particularly since the late-1960s). As I see it (and, naturally, you are invited to disagree), the motion pictures that surface in theatres here are largely quite similar, in structure and content, to the work we are already quite familiar, albeit with an added cultural layer that suggests a "difference" that really does not exist (and, more than anything, serves to show how alike we are). For instance, much as I am fond of Satyajit Ray's films, his early work was championed by the critics and, in-turn, rewarded by the public. His later (and I argue "better") work, such as THE ADVERSARY, was shunned by the taste-makers. As such, I wager that few have seen it and yet, with this film, Ray was playing with narrative in a way that is generally only credited to the French (namely Godard, and I mention this with full knowledge that the most inventive work was really occurring outside of Paris -- in Lodz, Prague, Tokyo and elsewhere). If you look to Ray's still later work, into the 1980s, he reverted to the style of his earlier pictures, re-seeking an audience in the West that crafted his celebrity. An audience, unfortunately, that was essentially no longer interested in work outside of its own borders. I do not wish to tire you with a lengthy description of how this continues to not-so-subtly effect film production around the world but I find the results to be very disturbing. opinionatedly, Jonathan Marlow
dpowers	post #13  on June 11, 2003 - 12:05 PM PDT   there's a strong desire now for common experience, common goals. the public space is where we'd rather live and we value each other for how well we make it all feel necessary and real. all the stories, like everything else, have to be prêt-à-porter. i bought into the "it's the distributors' fault" thing for a while, but, look around. look at what people are wearing. ten million people with "old navy" on their chests, another ten with the swoosh. i think this is a reaction to talk shows and too much court TV. (!) yes, i do, really... too much thinking about how people see us when our difference, our individuality is showing.
wdrazo	post #14  on June 12, 2003 - 5:58 AM PDT   > On June 11, 2003 - 12:05 PM PST dpowers wrote: > --------------------------------- > there's a strong desire now for common experience, common goals. the public space is where we'd rather live and we value each other for how well we make it all feel necessary and real. all the stories, like everything else, have to be prêt-à-porter. > > i bought into the "it's the distributors' fault" thing for a while, but, look around. look at what people are wearing. ten million people with "old navy" on their chests, another ten with the swoosh. > > i think this is a reaction to talk shows and too much court TV. (!) yes, i do, really... too much thinking about how people see us when our difference, our individuality is showing. > --------------------------------- Heaven forbid we have any differences whatever. I mean, I mean, it's unAmerican.
Gradalis	post #15  on June 12, 2003 - 12:18 PM PDT   I wouldn't blame the distributors. I hardly fault the programmers at various theatres around the country. I similarly do not take issue with the audience, either (in the "they're only making movies that people want to see" argument, seemingly applied to every art/entertainment form). Strangely, despite the conservatism of most producers, I also do not accuse those controlling the purse-strings for the sorry state of motion pictures. Instead, I incriminate the writers and directors responsible for the dreck that litters the landscape. Whatever happened to a little risk-taking with the narrative form? While I do not subscribe to the Ray Carney school of film criticism, I fear that my opinions in this area might be starting to slightly mirror him.
dpowers	post #16  on June 13, 2003 - 2:07 AM PDT   > I incriminate the writers and directors responsible for the dreck that litters the landscape. Whatever happened to a little risk-taking with the narrative form? < do you mean, by numbers of movies made that take risks, or numbers of seats filled to attend risky movies? oh forget it, that's a terrible question. but "a little risk-taking" is too vague. huh hmm. risk-taking. no, i don't care about risk-taking. i'm starting to feel like, if you really want to follow something through, the risks come and go with the work. maybe this is all one big sexual dysfunction. unable to come, we try and try and try...
underdog	post #17  on June 13, 2003 - 1:28 PM PDT   Btw, I said this on the other discussion before but will repeat it here. We thought we had THE APPLE ready to rent but, alas, it turned out to be a bootleg. :( Those dirty rats selling bootlegs! Anyway, it's not officially available here in the States, and New Yorker Films, the official rights-holder, hasn't moved towards releasing it yet. When it arrives, I assure you will snatch it up! Craig P Associate Editor GreenCine craig@greencine.com
FGaipa	post #18  on July 13, 2008 - 8:26 PM PDT   Hoped this would be a general thread. 2003!? Anyway, a couple of years back I read a reference to a film billed as a "Canadian 'Heathers,'" recorded then lost the reference. Reviewer raved it was as good as ours. New edition of the American blurbed by Mick Lasalle in the Chronicle today reminded me. But "Canadian heathers" is a one-hit Google buster, the plant not a film. Can anyone point me to this Canadian wonder? (Not a game like recent sorta similar threads elsewhere. I actually do not know.) fg
hamano	post #19  on July 14, 2008 - 5:43 AM PDT   Recent Canadian film? Prom Wars.
underdog	post #20  on July 14, 2008 - 3:45 PM PDT   > On July 13, 2008 - 8:26 PM PDT FGaipa wrote: > --------------------------------- > Hoped this would be a general thread. 2003!? > This thread is more recent actually. But I would say Cinenaut's guess is as good as any... can't think of anything else.

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