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New Season of Family Guy
Topic by: BLee2
Posted: April 30, 2005 - 9:16 PM PDT
Last Reply: May 18, 2005 - 10:44 AM PDT

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author topic: New Season of Family Guy
BLee2
post #1  on April 30, 2005 - 9:16 PM PDT  
Is it just be or does it look awful, and if not awful a shell of its former self. I think there is a 90% chance it should have stayed canceld.
Dcran1955
post #2  on April 30, 2005 - 9:26 PM PDT  
> On April 30, 2005 - 9:16 PM PDT BLee2 wrote:
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> Is it just be or does it look awful, and if not awful a shell of its former self. I think there is a 90% chance it should have stayed canceld.
> ---------------------------------

Yeah, it should have stayed cancelled. Nuff said.
jross3
post #3  on April 30, 2005 - 10:14 PM PDT  
You never know.... it could be allright.
But if "American Dad" is any indication..... Well, let's say I don't have high hopes for either show.

If the worst that is said about it is that it "lost the magic" of the old show, I'd call that beating the spread. The colors look really funky on the promos... but that's technology, I guess. Would it have killed them to match the original color scheme a little better? It's like watching a cartoon.... I mean, it's like watching a cartoon made with neon paint. Maybe it was...

Ooh, but I've got a bad feeling about it still. I really hope that the actual jokes are better than what they show in the promos, because..... well, I'm sure you've seen them. They really stink.
BLee2
post #4  on May 1, 2005 - 3:17 PM PDT  
I think american dad is fine, topical humor and social political commentary. That was allways i think the majic of family guy, the mix of topical and irreverent humor. Towards the last season and i am thinking the new season they seem to have left the delicate mix for pure irrevrence not only without grounding of the sharp social commentary but also with just inferior jokes. The premier episode of American Dad although not without dumb stchick or cheap sit-commy laugh is better then anything else on primetime network TV and beats the shitty last episodes of family guy. The new family guy with the same voice's and that pretty much all being the same as the early to mid episodes I'm not sure if they can even go that far.
BLee2
post #5  on May 1, 2005 - 3:20 PM PDT  
also is it just me or am i the only person on the greencine forums that is not into anime or hentia, and that rents actual movies?
woozy
post #6  on May 1, 2005 - 4:06 PM PDT  
What jross said. Exactly. Ditto. Uh-huh. Absolutely.
jross3
post #7  on May 1, 2005 - 6:53 PM PDT  
> On May 1, 2005 - 3:20 PM PDT BLee2 wrote:
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> also is it just me or am i the only person on the greencine forums that is not into anime or hentia, and that rents actual movies?
> ---------------------------------

Oh, no, there's plenty. That doesn't mean we wouldn't welcome you! (ha ha, always looking for new recruits)

You make a pretty good point. I'm not sure what put me off in the American Dad pilot... I feel like it was a lot of little things. Like the ex-nazi goldfish (so, let me get this straight: 1) they took the brain of a nazi and put it in a goldfish: credible. 2) Secret Service man keeps him as a pet: rather unlikey. 3: it's still alive (considering the lifespan of people and goldfish): not that likely at all)... And there was the way everything was pretty much right on the surface; there was no real depth to the humor (or it was too deep for me to get the real jokes... but somehow that seems unlikely in this case). I wasn't watching it really attentively, so maybe some of it slipped by me.

But back on to Family Guy, I'm glad to hear that they at least got the same voices back. A lot of the better jokes in Family Guy relied on their good acting (and it was good, mostly) and Stewie's voice in particular had a lot of really good moments, like his spoken-word performance of Rocketman in one of their trademark super-long cutscenes.

I really like Family guy as it is, or rather was. But it died, and dead things should generally stay dead. It's very rare for undead television to be good (look at Buffy) - and even when they are good, dead things start to stink after a while (look at Buffy).
A successful resurrection of Family Guy would be great, of course, but it's not very likely. If they screw up, it'll be an evil undead menace, sucking the blood of other network's ratings and leaving the unsuspecting viewers drained. It'll probably be too stupid to see the dawn coming, and when the viewers see the light they will pounce on this menace and send it back to the void from which it came..... probably.

So much for my reserved optimism.
woozy
post #8  on May 1, 2005 - 8:01 PM PDT  
> You make a pretty good point. I'm not sure what put me off in the American Dad pilot...

It tried too hard, I thought. The humor wasn't really that fresh (we were all used to family guy so we were used to surreal shocking humor). Also it's easy to make fun of a fascist goverment family very different from real life. The brilliance of Family guy was that it was a surfacely recognizable typical cartoon family but in it's typical appearance utterly sick and bizzaar things happend and they always surprised us (or me at least). I still giggle at the rerun of "Eight is enough" where the father slaps the **** out of his daughter. To discover an ooze squirting alien is addicted to junk food doesn't have the resinance of a suburban housewife knowing the street value of cocaine and sending the neighborhood pervert to traumatize the sixteen year old girl who humiliated her daughter.

>> I feel like it was a lot of little things. Like the ex-nazi goldfish (so, let me get this straight: 1) they took the brain of a nazi and put it in a goldfish: credible. 2) Secret Service man keeps him as a pet: rather unlikey. 3: it's still alive (considering the lifespan of people and goldfish): not that likely at all)...

It was an east german goldfish. And he was "silenced" simply because the US didn't want a commie country to win the olympics. It was supposed to be funny because it was bizaar but it was too bizaar and contrived. Brian the talking dog was bizaar enough but also somehow believable (if a dog *could* talk, isn't it reasonable that he'd be an urbane 50s throwback and more intelligent than the rest of the family).

>And there was the way everything was pretty much right on the surface;

Yeah, that's what I thought too.
jross3
post #9  on May 1, 2005 - 9:41 PM PDT  
> On May 1, 2005 - 8:01 PM PDT woozy wrote:
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> It was an east german goldfish. And he was "silenced" simply because the US didn't want a commie country to win the olympics. It was supposed to be funny because it was bizaar but it was too bizaar and contrived. Brian the talking dog was bizaar enough but also somehow believable (if a dog *could* talk, isn't it reasonable that he'd be an urbane 50s throwback and more intelligent than the rest of the family).

Thanks; like I said, I wasn't paying too much attention (that's a relatively kind way of saying I was a little bored). But even if he was "silenced" during the cold war, which is much more recent than WW2, he should be dead. His character couldn't last more than a season or two... but I'd be fine with that. He annoys me. (not that I'm against that sort of thing... but yeah. "Contrived". That's a good word.)
It's also sort of ironic that the dog is the most developed character. He's the most intelligent (not that that's saying a lot), but he also has a past. He had a chronic drinking problem, he was even hooked on coke for one episode, and he eventually left the house and started making porn (favorite moment in the whole show: Stewie desperately rushes out to say goodbye... Brian rolls down the window... and Stewie spits on his nose. Oh, their rivalry was one of my favorite parts of the show). On a couple episodes, they go into his past and talk about his mother (and his related abandonment issues) and how he came into the household. He's also a skilled stage actor.
Brian the Dog is the deepest character in the show. Under different circumstances, I'd say that that doesn't show a lot of hope for a show, but in this case it sort of works out.

And what was the best thing about the show? Mayor Adam West. "So if I do this, you'll stop stealing my water?"
woozy
post #10  on May 1, 2005 - 10:45 PM PDT  
> It's also sort of ironic that the dog is the most developed character. He's the most intelligent (not that that's saying a lot), but he also has a past.

Well, to me it was part of the humor that he was always a dog even if it was at odds with his being an intelligent developed character. I loved the line where he goes to find his mother and the farmer says "Daisy had lots of puppies. Which one were you?" and Brian answers "I was the one who could talk" and the farmer says, "Oh, now I remember!" Or when he saw a psychologist, but because he's a dog rather than having human problems of self esteem or chain smoking or whatever its problems with peeing inside. Neither of those would have worked if there was some explanation about how he had had his brain transplanted.
vexkitten
post #11  on May 1, 2005 - 11:38 PM PDT  
> On May 1, 2005 - 3:20 PM PDT BLee2 wrote:
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> also is it just me or am i the only person on the greencine forums that is not into anime or hentia, and that rents actual movies?
> ---------------------------------
Funny you should mention it...
kohnfused1
post #12  on May 2, 2005 - 11:51 AM PDT  
> On May 1, 2005 - 3:20 PM PDT BLee2 wrote:
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> also is it just me or am i the only person on the greencine forums that is not into anime or hentia, and that rents actual movies?
> ---------------------------------

Yes, it's just you......"Conform!"
ALittlefield
post #13  on May 3, 2005 - 6:37 AM PDT  
My roommmates have inflicted FAMILY GUY on me several times, and I've always thought that it was just a badly drawn, blatant rip off of THE SIMPSONS; furthermore, some of the voices are ear shredding (the teenage son is particularly horrible), the humor is often childishly crude (toilet jokes galore), and the dad is utterly repulsive! Homer has a certain sweetness to him despite his utter stupidity, but Peter makes fun of the handicapped, randomly threatens his daughter with a tire iron, and considers using a baby as a shield during a hold up. None of which I find funny. And the episode that Fox banned that featured him wanting to hire a jewish accountant (and singing a song called "I need a Jew")was beyond the pale.....now if Fox would just bring back FUTURAMA...
kohnfused1
post #14  on May 3, 2005 - 11:47 AM PDT  
> On May 3, 2005 - 6:37 AM PDT ALittlefield wrote:
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.....now if Fox would just bring back FUTURAMA...
> ---------------------------------

I concur, make it so.
DBooher
post #15  on May 3, 2005 - 11:58 AM PDT  
Oh the blasphemy running rampant in this thread is KILLING me! I love Family Guy. I love how it pokes fun at current events and pop culture. It's like a couch potato version of the Daily Show after ten bong hits.
The new season. I cried. Sheer happiness. The first episode was a wee much, like they were trying too hard to be at the level they were at when they were canceled--which should have never happened. But it was still funny and I was still LMAO. So I was happy with it. Not a big fan of American Dad though. And Futruama isn't one of my favorites either but I still like it. Fry just makes me so...GAH.
woozy
post #16  on May 3, 2005 - 1:15 PM PDT  
> On May 3, 2005 - 11:58 AM PDT DBooher wrote:
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> Oh the blasphemy running rampant in this thread is KILLING me! I love Family Guy.

Heh, heh. Me too. Hmm, why on earth didn't it occur to me to tape it while I'm away?

I usually like ALittleFields reviews and taste in entertainment. It's funny but his description of Family Guy is *so* spot on that that's exactly why I love it for all the reasons he cited.

Speaking of the "I need a Jew episode". As the writers said on the DVD, "Look, Peter's an idiot. He expresses these views because he is an idiot." To *not* show it when it's offensive to jews when they've so frequently made fun of blacks, handicapped, and everything else is kind of weird. Also when they *did* air it the changed the song lyrics for "by me he'd be adored, even they they killed my lord" which is hilarious in it's idiotic offencivenes, to the supposedly less offensive "by me he'd be adored, I don't think they killed my lord" which isn't as funny and, in fact, is offensive that an idiot like Peter would think enough to conclude they didn't but not think enough to realize giving credence to the idea at all by denying it is reprehensible. But then again, I was extremely pissed off when Time made Mayor Guiliani, man of the year in 2001, rather than Osama bin Laden too. (Are they saying, it'd be too upsetting to make bin Laden Man of the Year in 2001 but it wasn't too upsetting to make Hitler man of the year in 1938? Frekin' hypocrates.)
SonjaBlue
post #17  on May 3, 2005 - 7:54 PM PDT  
BLee2 wrote:

>...is it just me or am i the only person on the greencine forums that is not into anime or hentia, and that rents actual movies?<

Isn't it possible that you may be over generalizing a bit?

jross wrote:

>...dead things should generally stay dead. It's very rare for undead television to be good (look at Buffy) - and even when they are good, dead things start to stink after a while (look at Buffy).

>...it'll be an evil undead menace, sucking the blood of other network's ratings and leaving the unsuspecting viewers drained. It'll probably be too stupid to see the dawn coming, and when the viewers see the light they will pounce on this menace and send it back to the void from which it came..... probably.

Why, quirky jross -- I couldn't help but notice your candor. Are you sure this is your soapbox? ;)
BLee2
post #18  on May 4, 2005 - 2:33 AM PDT  
Isn't it possible that you may be over generalizing a bit?

no, that doesnt seem possible at all to me.


And East Germans were soveit communists not nazi facist, don't know if anyboyd ellaberated on that for Jross.

Anybody who thinks the I need a jew episode is anti-semitic either A hasnt seen it B is an itiot or C all of the above

Im not about to read through this whole thread so i read three things and responded... and im not anit-anime im just pro normal film, you know for normal people.
ALittlefield
post #19  on May 4, 2005 - 6:34 AM PDT  
> On May 4, 2005 - 2:33 AM PDT BLee2 wrote:
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> Anybody who thinks the I need a jew episode is anti-semitic either A hasnt seen it B is an itiot or C all of the above


Uh oh, I guess that makes me B....but at least I can spell idiot.
woozy
post #20  on May 4, 2005 - 5:12 PM PDT  
> Uh oh, I guess that makes me B....but at least I can spell idiot.
>


Play nicely! Play nicely folks! But, um, Bee2, your spelling ability did veer radically in your last post. Is everything okay? You can tell me. I know for a fact you aren't the first to post to these boards while intoxicated. (Meat pies? Why on earth would I have thought any-one would be interested in hearing about my meat pie recipes?)

ALittleField, I know you didn't like the "I need a jew" episode but did you really think it was anti-sematic? Remember, "Peter is an idiot" (repeat as nescessary).
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