GREEN CINE Already a member? login
 Your cart
Help
Advanced Search
- Genres
+ Action
+ Adult
+ Adventure
+ Animation
+ Anime
+ Classics
+ Comedies
+ Comic Books
+ Crime
  Criterion Collection
+ Cult
+ Documentary
+ Drama
+ Erotica
+ Espionage
  Experimental/Avant-Garde
+ Fantasy
+ Film Noir
+ Foreign
+ Gay & Lesbian
  HD (High Def)
+ Horror
+ Independent
+ Kids
+ Martial Arts
+ Music
+ Musicals
  Pre-Code
+ Quest
+ Science Fiction
  Serials
+ Silent
+ Sports
+ Suspense/Thriller
  Sword & Sandal
+ Television
+ War
+ Westerns


Public Discussions

topics
GreenCine Movie Talk
TV
By popular demand, a forum devoted to Mr. Philo T. Farnsworth's remarkable invention.
93

IS? STAR? TREK? DEAD? and what of it
Topic by: dpowers
Posted: January 20, 2006 - 4:29 PM PST
Last Reply: January 23, 2006 - 2:35 PM PST

author topic: IS? STAR? TREK? DEAD? and what of it
dpowers
post #1  on January 20, 2006 - 4:29 PM PST  
i began my life shortly after captain kirk did. as i look at the calendar i find that a pair of things to be true about star trek:

1) it will be 40 years this september since its first television appearance. (wikipedia timeline.)

2) maybe that's all it gets - purpose and plans for future variations both unclear. there are rumors and allegations about a new movie to show next year - but - "out of gas" seems like the right phrase.

would anyone like to write a eulogy?
Cinenaut
post #2  on January 20, 2006 - 4:45 PM PST  
Yes, it's pretty dead right now. Other science fiction shows like Firefly and Battlestar Galactica seem to be giving it a run for its money. People involved with the franchise have said that it needs to lie fallow for a while.

Star Trek Now Under "CBS Paramount Television"
hardcle
post #3  on January 21, 2006 - 6:53 AM PST  
I'd hardly call it dead. It's certainly more alive now than in the time between TOS cancellation and the first movie. There's enough content out there now that you could watch an hour every day for almost two years without seeing a repeat. That's a lot. TNG episodes are on two different cable channels and Spike TV shows five hours of DS9 and TNG every weekday.

If you're looking for the kind of stories that Star Trek used to tell, look to what the former Trek writers and producers are doing now. The most notable is Battlestar Galactica which comes from Trek veteran Ronald D. Moore. Although it's been cancelled, Threshold (a good show IMO) came from former Trek writers and producers Andre Bormanis and Brannon Braga. Brent Spiner also starred.

If you want shows in the Star Trek universe, check out some of the fan produced shows. I've watched a couple of episodes of New Voyages, and it's not bad. George Takei and David Gerrold are even getting involved with future episodes. I've heard of some others, but I haven't checked them out.

So it's not dead. Resting maybe, but not dead.

Yes, I am a fan.
hamano
post #4  on January 21, 2006 - 8:14 AM PST  
I think the clue is in here somewhere... Gotta figure in the states of Republican VS Democratic majorities in the House and Senate during those years but I don't have time right now. But if a Democrat becomes the next president, Star Trek should make a comeback after or toward the end of his/her presidency.

Johnson, Lyndon 1963-69
"Star Trek" (1966) [TV-Series 1966-1969]
Nixon, Richard 1969-74
Ford, Gerald 1974-77
Carter, Jimmy 1977-81
Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979)
Reagan, Ronald 1981-89
Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984)
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986)
"Star Trek: The Next Generation" (1987) [TV-Series 1987-1994]
Bush, George H.W. 1989-93
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989)
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991)
Clinton, William J. 1993-2001
"Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" (1993) [TV-Series 1993-1999]
Star Trek: Generations (1994)
"Star Trek: Voyager" (1995) [TV-Series 1995-2001]
Star Trek: First Contact (1996)
Star Trek: Insurrection (1998)
Bush, George W. 2001-present
"Enterprise" (2001) [TV-Series 2001-2005]
Star Trek: Nemesis (2002)
dpowers
post #5  on January 21, 2006 - 9:37 AM PST  
don't forget the animated series from the 70s. i watched that too. it was probably responsible for me thinking yamato was cool and then 15 years later, realizing that pokemon, not the updated batman cartoons, was the future.
jross3
post #6  on January 21, 2006 - 11:22 AM PST  
For me, it's not quite dead - but it's certainly not what it once was.
I only became aware of the series "Enterprise" when I heard news of its cancellation. It really wasn't getting a lot of publicity in my little sphere of perception. Since then I've managed to catch a couple re-runs on some network... (CBS? If I could remember I'd try and find out when it shows) . . . . but I have pretty low expectations. I have a few dvds from that queued either here or at Netflix, and hopefully my fandom can overcome any shortfallings in the show - haha.
I do catch the reruns of DS9 and TNG on Spike and more recently on G4; I've seen them all, but I don't mind seeing them again from time to time.

But really... I agree that the world needs to take a break from making money on Star Trek. We need to let this franchise go into dormancy for a few years. A movie or two would be fine - maybe even good (hopefully better than the last two...) - but hopefully they don't try to force life back into the Star Trek lisence.
Hopefully in the next ten years or so some new and creative minds will get into making something new and interesting. That would be nice, I think.

It will make a comeback at some point. It might never be as big as it has been, but it will be back. One thing is certain - in this world, no franchise as big and lucrative as Star Trek will ever be allowed to die.
(at least not until we've explored our entire galaxy; after that, a new sci-fi show would almost certainly need to take place in another galaxy, and the name "Galaxy Quest" has already been taken.)
hamano
post #7  on January 21, 2006 - 9:04 PM PST  
> On January 21, 2006 - 9:37 AM PST dpowers wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> don't forget the animated series from the 70s. i watched that too.

The only thing I remember from that show, which I actually did watch every week, was that one episode had some kind of space monster or dinosaur or something that had Godzilla's roar. Back then I didn't know that it could be a homage, so I just thought, "Hey they stole Godzilla's voice!"

> it was probably responsible for me thinking yamato was cool and then 15 years later, realizing that pokemon, not the updated batman cartoons, was the future.

But you're wrong! Batman Beyond, and the other recent Batman updates, ARE the future! Just look at The Big O and that new show Ergo Proxy... There's some cross fertilization before that, too, with Battle Angel Alita I think. Anyway, that retro Batman look bled to shows like Heat Guy J and Solty Rei. It's descended from yer sci-fi noir cyberpunk so it's nothing new, but certainly more "future" than atrocious boy candy like Pokemon. Good art is good art.
hardcle
post #8  on January 21, 2006 - 10:06 PM PST  
Does this mean Enterprise would have succeded if Al Gore had been sworn in as President? (as he should have)

> On January 21, 2006 - 8:14 AM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I think the clue is in here somewhere... Gotta figure in the states of Republican VS Democratic majorities in the House and Senate during those years but I don't have time right now. But if a Democrat becomes the next president, Star Trek should make a comeback after or toward the end of his/her presidency.
>
hamano
post #9  on January 22, 2006 - 6:21 AM PST  
> On January 21, 2006 - 10:06 PM PST hardcle wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Does this mean Enterprise would have succeded if Al Gore had been sworn in as President? (as he should have)

Yes. Had Gore won, they would have time-warped the entire ship into the future (post-Voyager) where the Enterprise would have plodded along on these little adventures where Captain Archer's quaint old-fashioned solutions to life's problems would have held him in good stead. "Enterprise" would have been able to avoid the disastrous "America after 9/11" Xindi story-arc, the kind of thing better left to shows like "24."

Also, a Gore victory would have led to more magazine pictorials with Jolene Blalock. Really, that show needed more female characters. I mean, Captain Picard practically had his own little harem on "Next Generation" that he started to share with his First Officer midway through the series.

Taking all the positive elements from the previous shows and other hit TV programs I like, I think the next Trek series should be set on the Enterprise-Maru, a fabulous cruise ship with a regular run between Deep Space Nine and Puerto Vallarta. The Enterprise-Maru is captained by Data's brother B-4, and his interactions with his crew and the weekly batch of new passengers teach him a lot of lessons about humanity. Many of the episodes revolve around the big swimming pool, the saloon/lounge, and of course the Holodeck, a hoary old plot device sorely missed in "Enterprise". And they sell Tribbles in the gift shop! Lots of Tribbles! Just don't get them wet, don't let them out in bright light, and don't feed them after midnight!
Yowanda
post #10  on January 22, 2006 - 9:10 AM PST  
> On January 22, 2006 - 6:21 AM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> Taking all the positive elements from the previous shows and other hit TV programs I like, I think the next Trek series should be set on the Enterprise-Maru, a fabulous cruise ship with a regular run between Deep Space Nine and Puerto Vallarta. The Enterprise-Maru is captained by Data's brother B-4, and his interactions with his crew and the weekly batch of new passengers teach him a lot of lessons about humanity. Many of the episodes revolve around the big swimming pool, the saloon/lounge, and of course the Holodeck, a hoary old plot device sorely missed in "Enterprise". And they sell Tribbles in the gift shop! Lots of Tribbles! Just don't get them wet, don't let them out in bright light, and don't feed them after midnight!
> ---------------------------------

I do believe there was a Saturday Night Live sketch about The Next Generation as a cruise ship several years ago. Quite humerous.

And I do still watch TNG and DS9 when I have nothing better to do/watch on a weekday afternoon.
kohnfused1
post #11  on January 23, 2006 - 10:02 AM PST  
Yes.

The writers have moved on... and so should we.

As everyone else had mentioned, maybe in another couple of years, when some big shot exec decides there's still "water in the well" we'll we see another resurrection. Sounds like a working title to me, "Star Trek: Resurrection".
DLeonard
post #12  on January 23, 2006 - 2:30 PM PST  
> On January 22, 2006 - 9:10 AM PST Yowanda wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>
> I do believe there was a Saturday Night Live sketch about The Next Generation as a cruise ship several years ago. Quite humerous.
> ---------------------------------

Was that the infamous SNL when William Shatner was guest host? Somewhere around 1986.
The opening skit was Shatner telling a room full of trekkies to "get a life!" That was classic.

I seem to remember the other sketch was the Enterprise had been turned into a restuarant and Dana Carvey played Khan who shows up with a health inspector. It was pretty funny, but not the comedic gold of the Trek convention sketch.
rmarkd
post #13  on January 23, 2006 - 2:35 PM PST  
I don't think Star Trek is dead. In hibernation maybe, but not dead. Sci-Fi is showing new Battlestar Galactica and though I haven't seen it, I hear it gets great reviews.

My opinion is that the current "look and feel" of Star Trek just got old and played out. When ST:TNG ended, people wanted something like ST:TNG, but not exactly like it. They got ST:DS9 which started out bad, but in the end (the big war with the Dominion) got really good. That ran its 7 year course and then came along ST:Voyager. Again, fans wanted something similar, but different. Unfortunately (IMO) Voyager didn't work out and instead of working on the writing, they showed whatshername in tight outfits trying to be a female Data. The stories got old, but ST:V managed to do their 7 years although that ending episode was horrid!

ST:Enterprise shouldn't have been created. ST producers just got greedy and figured they could sell anything with a formula of lasers + sex + alien race humor regardless if there was any story or if the characters were 3 dimensional. They say ST:E got better near the end, but I didn't see that.

You make a Star Trek too similar and it just seems derivative -- why watch a ST:TNG wannabe? If you make it too different, it just doesn't feel like Star Trek -- why not just call it something different entirely.

So, you let the series rest for a few years, maybe a couple decades, then revive it. The stories feel fresh, it takes on it's own personality (ST:TNG and ST:TOS were very different beasts) and you HOPE that the writing is there. ST:TNG almost failed because the writing early on was lame.

As for the ST Movies, any trekkie (or trekker) knows the Star Trek even "good"/odd "bad" trend. Star Trek 10 (Nemesis) broke that trend in an unfortunate way, although I thought Star Trek 9 (Insurrection) was really good. No more movies with the TNG crew. They might have done something with the DS9 crew, but they pretty much finished the story with the ending episode (IMO, the best ending episode in all the Trek Series). Oh well.

Bottom line, I don't think Star Trek is dead. In hibernation maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a whole new crew at some point.





about greencine · donations · refer a friend · support · help · genres
contact us · press room · privacy policy · terms · sitemap · affiliates · advertise

Copyright © 2005 GreenCine LLC. All rights reserved.
© 2006 All Media Guide, LLC. Portions of content provided by All Movie Guide®, a trademark of All Media Guide, LLC.