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Lost -- Season Three
Topic by: Cinenaut
Posted: October 5, 2006 - 8:58 AM PDT
Last Reply: May 24, 2007 - 4:22 PM PDT

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author topic: Lost -- Season Three
Cinenaut
post #1  on October 5, 2006 - 8:58 AM PDT  
So, there's a zoo and an aquarium on the island. I wonder if that ties in with the four-toed statue foot from last season.

Favorite quote: "I see you got yourself a fish biscuit."

The polar bears must have done time in those cages.

Which Stephen King book has "hokey religion?" Oh... Carrie, maybe?




Previous Lost thread here
woozy
post #2  on October 5, 2006 - 10:22 AM PDT  
> On October 5, 2006 - 8:58 AM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------


> Favorite quote: "I see you got yourself a fish biscuit."
>
> The polar bears must have done time in those cages.
>
D'Oh! Somehow I didn't make the connection! I thought circus bears about the follow up of the quote "... It took the bears two hours to figure it out." Of course, he was refering to polar bears.


> Which Stephen King book has "hokey religion?" Oh... Carrie, maybe?
>
The Stand. Or his whole whazzit series about the tower in the parallel world.

I liked the opening teaser. So they have a whole suburban thing going...

I think The Others do genuinely believe they are the "good guys" but I'm still wondering in what situation they could possibly think so. Are they an experimental "grim utopian" society and are thus xenophobic about outsider polluting influences? Are they sterile due to the high magnetic anomolies and must kidnap children?

At the very ending did Julliette called Henry Gale "Hen" or "Ben"? Is there significance?
Cinenaut
post #3  on October 5, 2006 - 4:30 PM PDT  
Oh, that's right, The Stand has religion as well. The Stand is a huge book, though, and this book was relatively slim. Anyway, I think someone on another forum said you could see the book title and it was Carrie.

Ooh, the sterile utopia idea is intriguing.

Do you suppose they took the captive's blood to see if they were infected with whatever was quarantined?

We knew "Henry Gale" wasn't his real name. The real Henry Gale is buried near his hot air balloon. I don't know what significance "Ben" would have.

> On October 5, 2006 - 10:22 AM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On October 5, 2006 - 8:58 AM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
>
>
> > Favorite quote: "I see you got yourself a fish biscuit."
> >
> > The polar bears must have done time in those cages.
> >
> D'Oh! Somehow I didn't make the connection! I thought circus bears about the follow up of the quote "... It took the bears two hours to figure it out." Of course, he was refering to polar bears.
>
>
> > Which Stephen King book has "hokey religion?" Oh... Carrie, maybe?
> >
> The Stand. Or his whole whazzit series about the tower in the parallel world.
>
> I liked the opening teaser. So they have a whole suburban thing going...
>
> I think The Others do genuinely believe they are the "good guys" but I'm still wondering in what situation they could possibly think so. Are they an experimental "grim utopian" society and are thus xenophobic about outsider polluting influences? Are they sterile due to the high magnetic anomolies and must kidnap children?
>
> At the very ending did Julliette called Henry Gale "Hen" or "Ben"? Is there significance?
> ---------------------------------

hamano
post #4  on October 5, 2006 - 8:32 PM PDT  
Now I know why The Others are so cruel and screwed up. Someone replaced all their Talking Heads CDs with Petula Clark!
Cinenaut
post #5  on October 6, 2006 - 7:38 AM PDT  
> On October 5, 2006 - 8:32 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Now I know why The Others are so cruel and screwed up. Someone replaced all their Talking Heads CDs with Petula Clark!
> ---------------------------------

Haha! I thought I recognized that CD cover.

This scene was probably meant to mirror last seaon's opening with Desmond (down the hatch) and the Mama Cass LP. I predict next season will open with Sandy Denny on an iPod.

Was it my imagination, or when Petula entreated her to go downtown, there was a look of sadness in Juliette's face, as if she were thinking "That's not going to happen"?
underdog
post #6  on October 6, 2006 - 10:21 AM PDT  
I think you guys are on the right track here (and, duh, I didn't think of the polar bears either, but that's totally got to be it). The creepy utopian society thing seems to be heading in that direction. I'm not sure about Juliette's character yet, she seems to be going in about 5 different directions but maybe that will make sense soon. The season premiere was terrific in every way, except for the last few minutes where I just felt it was too much - "tell me, is she happy?" "Yes, she's very happy." A weird mix of hokey and wannabe-creepy that didn't come off for me. But the rest of it was great. Next week's looks even more exciting.
hamano
post #7  on October 6, 2006 - 10:55 PM PDT  
I watched The Nine which comes on after LOST. One of the nine hostages died so I was wondering if the next episode was going to be called The Eight, or if she comes back as a ghost or something, but at the end I understood who The Nine were...

I thought the first episode was great! Did anyone else see it?
woozy
post #8  on October 12, 2006 - 12:23 PM PDT  
Jeez, they lost the Lostboat! Don't know why that upsets me so, but I had high hopes for that sail-boat.

"You taste like fish bisquits." That was a worthy line wasn't it? Benjamin Linus?
Cinenaut
post #9  on October 13, 2006 - 8:14 AM PDT  
> On October 12, 2006 - 12:23 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Jeez, they lost the Lostboat! Don't know why that upsets me so, but I had high hopes for that sail-boat.
>
> "You taste like fish bisquits." That was a worthy line wasn't it? Benjamin Linus?
> ---------------------------------

Yes, that was a good line and it was much needed comic relief after Sawyer's random snogging attack. Nothing like back-breaking labor in the hot sun and electroshock therapy to put Sawyer in a romantic mood, I reckon.

You just knew that the writers couldn't leave them that luxurious sailboat. Did they stock it with all that fresh food? If not, how long was Desmond down the hatch?

Benjamin Linus... interesting name. "Linus" alone conjures up happiness is a warm blanket, Linux and Vitamin C in one fell swoop!

underdog
post #10  on October 13, 2006 - 1:03 PM PDT  
Those Others are making me very, very angry. Was thinking many homicidal thoughts while watching this week's episode. Which is good writing, good drama. Man, they are sadistic and creepy. I was even happy when Sun shot that woman in the boat.

What's happening to me?!

hamano
post #11  on October 13, 2006 - 1:34 PM PDT  
I'd have to say of the two hours, The Nine was better than LOST this time. Of course The Nine benefits from being a fresh show with lots of surprises and revelations to spare. They gave away 5 or 6 major plot turns in just this one episode! It's hard to believe they'll be able to keep up that extravagant pace but who knows, maybe they'll pull it off.

LOST on the other hand is losing me a little. There're just too many people who seem "connected" to the outside world now (if what Ben says is true, re. the Red Sox etc.) with a small township of "others" all dressed to the nines and armed to the teeth. Suddenly the island seems crowded. It's starting to feel more and more like a show about a bunch of writers and actors marooned on Hawaii.

While resorting to fan service (Kate in her new dress) we're treated to two unlikely action scenes. Perhaps Sawyer was just testing the strength of the Others guarding them as he said, but if he's that smart why would he blab it all to Kate when there's a good chance he'll be overheard? He's talking loud enough to be understood by someone in the cage across from him, so you wouldn't even need a fancy monitoring station to make out what he's saying/planning. You could probably just hear him fine from the shadows just a few feet away. And when Sawyer started that fight, would the Kate we've come to know really let herself be taken hostage so easily? Nah, she'd twist the arm of the nearest Other and get his gun, surely.

And why would tough guys Sayid and Jin be caught so offguard by a big band of Others going for the yacht? Surely someone so confident of his fighting skill ("I'll kill all of them except for 2 so I could use one to make the other one talk...") wouldn't position himself with all his attention focused in the wrong direction.

The whole episode reminded me of a Chuck Norris film. As a character is leaving a high-rise, a body falls from a high floor right on the hood of a car. The willowy heroine in a tight low-cut dress is forced to do hard labor breaking rocks. When Ben mentioned the Red Sox, I knew EXACTLY what Jack's reaction would be and EXACTLY what Ben was planning with the TV and VCR.

I'm starting to wish they'd just get rid of The Others as soon as possible and get Jack et al back to the other side of the island, so their much more interesting daily lives with Hurley and Locke and pals could resume.
hamano
post #12  on October 13, 2006 - 2:00 PM PDT  
> On October 13, 2006 - 1:03 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Those Others are making me very, very angry.

I agree with that sentiment, but in my case it's because the Others seem to be such an unworthy foe. Ben is just creepy without any of the coolness factor. Ridiculously he brings Jack to his knees by showing him the World Series final... that was like watching Dr. Evil torture Austin Powers. Juliette is a cold hard killer? Would we have known that without Sawyer's well-timed observation?

The Other girl's lines to Kate ("Keep the dress. You look better than me in it anyway.") and Sayid's conciliatory speech to Jin ("Tell him I'll listen to him next time.") seemed like they'd been redubbed for our amusement by the MST3K guys. Wait! The MST3K guys are funnier, so I take that back.

> Was thinking many homicidal thoughts while watching this week's episode.

I was hoping the regular characters would quit talking and acting like suddenly they were in a different TV show. Failing that, I kept thinking they should just have an entire episode from Sawyer's POV, watching Kate sweating in the quarry. Last week she took a shower, so next week she can wash a car or something.

> Which is good writing, good drama.

Better written than Invasion U.S.A.? Better drama than Missing in Action 2: The Beginning? It's just manipulative crap!

> Man, they are sadistic and creepy.

Just like those gook POW prison guards in Missing in Action!

> I was even happy when Sun shot that woman in the boat.
> What's happening to me?!

I'm not sure, but I'm worried about you, man! Did you see The Nine or Dexter? I wanna talk about those!
woozy
post #13  on October 13, 2006 - 3:22 PM PDT  
> On October 13, 2006 - 1:34 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>
> LOST on the other hand is losing me a little. There're just too many people who seem "connected" to the outside world now (if what Ben says is true, re. the Red Sox etc.) with a small township of "others" all dressed to the nines and armed to the teeth. Suddenly the island seems crowded. It's starting to feel more and more like a show about a bunch of writers and actors marooned on Hawaii.
>
Well, I think we have to assumed we were warned from the beginning that the nature of the show could change at any time. We knew there were other aspects of the island from the beginning and thus the nature would change. Yes, the island is crowded and in no way can we consider the show to be at all the same "shipwrecked" show it was at the beginning. This could be argued to be a "bad thing" but to have put the supernatural/mysterious/weird elements at the beginning rather than simply make it a straight-forward "shipwrecked" show, means either we'll learn about the mysterous things or we won't. I for one am glad they aren't taking the cheap way out by having weird for weird sake.

I tend to like intricate and "crowded" plots and solving mysteries but you have a point. It has become a different show.


> And when Sawyer started that fight, would the Kate we've come to know really let herself be taken hostage so easily? Nah, she'd twist the arm of the nearest Other and get his gun, surely.
>
For what purpose? Sawyer's merely testing and/or acting in frustration. Any actual escape isn't feasable.


> And why would tough guys Sayid and Jin be caught so offguard by a big band of Others going for the yacht?

Well, they were on tippie-tippie toes. Actually, I *did* wonder simply what direction they came from.

Cinenaut
post #14  on October 13, 2006 - 5:14 PM PDT  
Yes, that was pretty dumb of Sayid and Jin to leave Sun alone on the boat without keeping an eye on it. Since the Others have an underwater aquarium, they could have actually come from the water side of the boat, which could explain how they eluded Sayid and Jin.

Ben has all those monitors in that one hatch, which allows him to spy on all the underground bunkers. His character still works for me. His friendly/creepy persona keeps you guessing at all times.

So far, I'm still totally intrigued by this season. I want to know more about Juliette and her relationship to Ben, and I want to know more about the girl in the bushes who rescued Claire. She said something to the effect that Sawyer and Kate weren't supposed to be in those cages. What's up with that?



hamano
post #15  on October 13, 2006 - 6:19 PM PDT  
> On October 13, 2006 - 5:14 PM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Since the Others have an underwater aquarium, they could have actually come from the water side of the boat, which could explain how they eluded Sayid and Jin.

Or they could have walked along the water or something. They might have other watercraft, too... wasn't there some kind of motorized launch, or did they give that to Mike and Walt?

> Ben has all those monitors in that one hatch, which allows him to spy on all the underground bunkers. His character still works for me. His friendly/creepy persona keeps you guessing at all times.

I dunno, I've stopped guessing about him because he's been so slippery and creepy. He could go off in any direction for no apparent reason, and that randomness isn't hooking me in. A total cypher equals no surprises because you stop forming any expectations.

> and I want to know more about the girl in the bushes who rescued Claire.

Isn't she Alex, the crazy French lady's daughter? We've seen a few times already and I thought that was pretty obvious.

> She said something to the effect that Sawyer and Kate weren't supposed to be in those cages. What's up with that?

She was looking for her boyfriend Karl, who was in that confusing escape attempt with Sawyer. He'd either stolen a key to unlock the cages, or he'd been planted to demonstrate to Sawyer that there's no chance of escape. Either way, they took him away and he might have been killed.
woozy
post #16  on October 13, 2006 - 6:31 PM PDT  
> On October 13, 2006 - 6:19 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On October 13, 2006 - 5:14 PM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Since the Others have an underwater aquarium, they could have actually come from the water side of the boat, which could explain how they eluded Sayid and Jin.
>
> Or they could have walked along the water or something. They might have other watercraft, too... wasn't there some kind of motorized launch, or did they give that to Mike and Walt?
>

Aquarium water access makes sense. Watercraft would have been noticed if Sayid and Jin were half alert.

> I dunno, I've stopped guessing about him because he's been so slippery and creepy. He could go off in any direction for no apparent reason, and that randomness isn't hooking me in. A total cypher equals no surprises because you stop forming any expectations.
>
I'm not that intrigued by him particularly and never was but I'm curious about what the heck "the others" are. There's the hope that he isn't "random" and a sensible story will arise.


> > and I want to know more about the girl in the bushes who rescued Claire.
>
> Isn't she Alex, the crazy French lady's daughter? We've seen a few times already and I thought that was pretty obvious.
>

Yes, but what's her *story*. Why is she hanging around the others, what was her childhood among them like, why'd she help Claire, why is she talking to Kate, is she still there with the others, or did she run away, if she ran away why is she still there, why is she contrary the others if she grew up among them, is she contrary the others, is she actually Alex the crazy French Lady's daughter, or is it just really easy for us to believe so, does she know who she is, why'd the others steal Alex, or is the French lady totally crazy and did nothing she say happen.

What if the Others are the good guys they keep insisting they are? And what if Alex is truly the most villainous person yet?


> >
Cinenaut
post #17  on October 13, 2006 - 9:34 PM PDT  
Yes, I knew she was possibly the French woman's daughter, but I was curious about why she said they weren't supposed to be in the cages. That explanation works. They weren't supposed to be there because the hapless escapee guy was supposed to be there. But that's not how it struck me when she said it for some reason.

We also have a possible non-supernatural explanation for Sun's pregnancy this season. That was a pretty wicked scenario... the cuckold being ordered to do in the the other guy without knowing the true reason.
hamano
post #18  on October 13, 2006 - 9:48 PM PDT  
I'm wondering if Sun's lover jumped, or was defenestrated by someone else... possibly someone related to the Others?
woozy
post #19  on October 13, 2006 - 10:42 PM PDT  
> On October 13, 2006 - 9:34 PM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Yes, I knew she was possibly the French woman's daughter, but I was curious about why she said they weren't supposed to be in the cages. That explanation works. They weren't supposed to be there because the hapless escapee guy was supposed to be there. But that's not how it struck me when she said it for some reason.
>

Or the cages are supposed to be for bears, not humans and using them for humans is terrifying when you consider why the bears were in them...

I think this is simply a comment that'll be left to interpretation and mood but syntactically will never mean more than the literal.


> We also have a possible non-supernatural explanation for Sun's pregnancy this season. That was a pretty wicked scenario... the cuckold being ordered to do in the the other guy without knowing the true reason.
> ---------------------------------

We still don't know that she ever slept with the guy. The implication is strongly implied that they had and he is the father but we didn't see it or hear either of them say they had. It's possible they got naked in bed together but she felt guilty and was apologizing for not going through with it.

I'm still not ruling out spontaneous pregnancies. (Crazy, I know, but I was right about Michael in league with the others...)

BTW, are Michael and Walt out of the show now? If so, wasn't the whole Walt thing a huge red herring? And do you think we are meant to sympathize with Michael and his "whatever it takes to get my son back", or are we supposed to realize killing isn't an acceptable "whatever", or are we supposed to be coaxed into thinking "whatever it takes seems" reasonable and he had no choice and then suddenly jump back with a "wait a minute! that's not coercion; that's murder!" and question are tv viewing ethics?

underdog
post #20  on October 14, 2006 - 11:02 AM PDT  
Defenestrated him? That's legal now in several states, I believe.


Re: the boat, I agree with you - the way they lost the boat, let their guard down, left Sun alone on the boat, that whole sequence was pretty unbelievable and contrived. I still enjoyed the rest of the episode, though, even if those damned Others are starting to grate on me. Anger rising!


> On October 13, 2006 - 10:42 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> We still don't know that she ever slept with the guy. The implication is strongly implied that they had and he is the father but we didn't see it or hear either of them say they had. It's possible they got naked in bed together but she felt guilty and was apologizing for not going through with it.
>
> I'm still not ruling out spontaneous pregnancies. (Crazy, I know, but I was right about Michael in league with the others...)

I guess if a show would pull this kind of thing it'd be Lost, but it sure seems like they'd had sex and had a baby and Jin doesn't know - I'm not overcomplicating things on that one.

>
> BTW, are Michael and Walt out of the show now? If so, wasn't the whole Walt thing a huge red herring? And do you think we are meant to sympathize with Michael and his "whatever it takes to get my son back", or are we supposed to realize killing isn't an acceptable "whatever", or are we supposed to be coaxed into thinking "whatever it takes seems" reasonable and he had no choice and then suddenly jump back with a "wait a minute! that's not coercion; that's murder!" and question are tv viewing ethics?
>

I'm assuming Walt and Michael will be back at some point - especially since they were referenced at the end of the last episode, but in what shape or form don't know.
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