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The Mist!
Topic by: ScottWeinberg
Posted: April 3, 2008 - 12:51 PM PDT
Last Reply: September 20, 2008 - 6:09 AM PDT

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author topic: The Mist!
ScottWeinberg
post #1  on April 3, 2008 - 12:51 PM PDT  
How do we not have a thread cooking for this mega-fantastic horror flick? I liked it well enough after viewing #1, enjoyed the hell out of the Darabont commentary on #2, and fell deeply, madly in love with the black & white version on #3.

I know you guys have some opinions on that ending, and so I must offer a complete and total SPOILER ALERT for this thread. If you do not want the movie ruined for you, PLEASE go rent the thing and watch it before you read any further. Cool.

Discussion points:

A. Thomas Jane. Damn good performance.

B. Large variety of icky monsters. Always a plus.

C. The fact that the grungy side of "humanity" is infinitely scarier than ANYthing out in the Mist, slimy and mega-Lovecraftian it may be. (In other words, I'd take my chances against tentacle-beast over Mrs. Carmody any day.)

D. Darabont's impressively unflashy "handheld" approach. Good stuff.

E. The ENDING! I could probably write 1,200 words on the different ways one could interpret the final scenes, and I'll admit I didn't really dig it the first time around -- but it's grown on me. I'll give y'all a chance to reply before I give you my "three-headed" analysis of the piece.

Thoughts?
underdog
post #2  on April 3, 2008 - 2:24 PM PDT  
(Linked:) The Mist

Was it better than The Fog? (the original; we know anything's better than the remake)

Has a good cast - I always like Homicide's Detective Pembleton, er, Andre Braugher, a lot.
Cinenaut
post #3  on April 4, 2008 - 9:11 PM PDT  
I know, I'd like to see it just for Andre Braugher. I miss Homicide: Life on the Streets! One of the best TV shows ever.

I have a cassette tape of a "3D sound" audio book of The Mist. It's made with binaural sound, which means it was recorded with two microphones configured to mimic human ears for realistic stereo reproduction and sneak-up-behind-you factor. I haven't listened to it in years. I should see how it holds up.
hamano
post #4  on April 5, 2008 - 10:02 AM PDT  
I ran into Andre once at the Whole Foods in Baltimore. He was lined up buying some fish for dinner. We talked a bit... he was very nice.
shiftless
post #5  on July 27, 2008 - 12:04 AM PDT  
Just saw The Mist tonight- really fun and well done movie! Wasn't that happy with the ending but I can live with it.

I LOVE the way religion gets shown for exactly what it is, love love love it. I would recommend this movie to my friends! I also love how they were all no-name (to me anyway) actors so I could believe in the characters moreso than a famous face would let me.
Battie
post #6  on July 28, 2008 - 10:56 AM PDT  
> On April 3, 2008 - 12:51 PM PDT ScottWeinberg wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> E. The ENDING! I could probably write 1,200 words on the different ways one could interpret the final scenes, and I'll admit I didn't really dig it the first time around -- but it's grown on me. I'll give y'all a chance to reply before I give you my "three-headed" analysis of the piece.
>
> Thoughts?
> ---------------------------------

Somehow I missed this whole thread when it was first started. Odd. And you never gave out your three-headed analysis of the piece. :D

I actually just loaned my 'limited edition' copy (the one with the B&W version) to my aunt yesterday after we saw The Dark Knight (Ledger's Joker has replaced Malkovich's Ripley as my favorite villain ever). Somehow, despite being a King fan, she hadn't seen it yet. And I consider it the best adaptation of his work to date (though I'm slightly ashamed to say, I've neither read The Shining nor seen the remake). It's in my top five horror films, and probably in my top 10 (or at least 20) favorite films ever.

And the ending is one of the biggest reasons why I loved The Mist. I walked out of the theater feeling like someone had punched me in the face. It was awesome. XD
shiftless
post #7  on July 28, 2008 - 12:52 PM PDT  
Well I'm a little torn about the ending. part of me likes it for not being, um.. traditional.

(*SPOILER*)The other part of me thought it was unnecessarily bleak.(*END SPOILER*)

I don't see how it added anything to what the movie was saying. Hard to discuss here without spoilers!
underdog
post #8  on July 28, 2008 - 3:02 PM PDT  
There was a great discussion about the ending of THE MIST by the BBC's reviewer Mark Kermode on his podcast. See if you can find the one from about a month or so ago (it was released much later in the UK) on The Mist. He basically loved the bleak ending.
troublemaker
post #9  on July 29, 2008 - 10:57 AM PDT  
The more I think about it, this was definitely one of my favorite flicks for the year. Unfortunately, discussing all the best parts about the film couldn't happen without any spoilers.. With that said, I may opt to rent the bonus disc now. That is where I can watch the B&W cut of the film isn't it?
Catullus
post #10  on July 29, 2008 - 9:34 PM PDT  
Well I lol'd at the ending as it was kinda funny.

and dont worry im about to spoil the hell out of it so if you dont want the Mist spoiled for you id suggest SKIPPING the rest of my post as Spoilers are to follow.

SPOILERS

Well the ending was amusing to me for 3 reasons,

#1 it was pretty much ironic that the chick who left to save her children got saved and everyone else besides the main guy dies.

#2 they were like well out of gas better kill ourselves right away instead of Idk waiting for thirst or a monsters approach. For some reason the monsters didn't seem to want to breach vehicles or buildings to eat people, so staying in your car til you die of thirst or until an immediate threat presented itself seems far more logical than offing yourself.

I realize that they thought they were pretty much boned but even so they thought that before they even left for his vehicle.

#3 They didn't even try to get gas anywhere. I imagine the pumps were not shut off at most gas stations and its not like it would be very risky to stop at a gas station start up the pump and just drive off (you dont even have to get out to take the pump out as they will break off if you drive away) I dont imagine the monsters would have gotten them in that little amount of time but hey better than just driving a gas guzzler until you run out. Relatively speaking the mist didn't seem that dangerous for very short periods of time, which is enough time to attempt to get gas, and hey if the monsters got you there were other people in the car who would still benefit perhaps.

Also as a 3.5, im not sure why someone didnt kill Ms Carmody sooner. I will be quite honest with you, I probably would have had to murder her as soon as she started spouting off her BS. Even throwing her out of the store at the very beginning (id have said GTFO and thrown her out and locked the door behind her back before anyone gave a crap about her. I seriously cant stomach religious freaks like that. Call me intolerant but I think its completely rational to beat someone like that to death.
hamano
post #11  on July 29, 2008 - 9:37 PM PDT  
> On July 29, 2008 - 10:57 AM PDT troublemaker wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> The more I think about it, this was definitely one of my favorite flicks for the year. Unfortunately, discussing all the best parts about the film couldn't happen without any spoilers..

There's a big fat spoiler warning in the first post above, so we can discuss the hell out of it can't we?

The ending WAS bleak... it would have been even better if we saw the Andre Braugher character in the truck with the survivors grinning at our hero... It was a nice touch having that first woman who left the market with her children in the survivor truck.

But I didn't buy it... It didn't seem to make any sense that the 5 in the Land Cruiser would just give up when they ran out of gas, after all that they went through to get that far (too bad they didn't have a Prius... they might have gone farther...) It would have made more sense if they decided to just sit and wait for something to happen, or if they got out to look for some kind of shelter, monsters be damned. I don't think getting my head chomped off by a giant bug would be much worse than getting shot.

A father faced with having to kill his son... that sort of happened in Pet Sematary too, but that time it made sense.

The only way the ending would work for me is if the father was shown to have suicidal tendencies right from the start... He did seem kinda reckless (leaving his son to go to the pharmacy, being able to sleep without knowing his wife's fate) but I didn't ever think he was suicidal. He seemed to genuinely want to survive, and so did the ones who went with him in the Land Cruiser. I understand that they wanted a twisted sort of shock ending, an unconventionally tragic ending, maybe, but the film didn't quite sell me on it.

The rest of the film was fun, though. I wonder if the monster from Cloverfield came from the same dimension? The parallels between the two films was a bit uncanny.

Lastly, was this really a "horror" film? It seemed to be more of a sci-fi thriller (like Alien) than a horror film...
hamano
post #12  on July 29, 2008 - 9:48 PM PDT  
> On July 29, 2008 - 9:34 PM PDT Catullus wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> #3 They didn't even try to get gas anywhere. I imagine the pumps were not shut off at most gas stations and its not like it would be very risky to stop at a gas station start up the pump and just drive off (you dont even have to get out to take the pump out as they will break off if you drive away)

They musta had some fuel for that generator in the market too, so I put that down as "they were in a hurry to get out of town"... in a small town area like that once you leave town there aren't a whole lot of gas stations except around freeway exits (that looked like a broken freeway sign they passed under when they went by the school bus...)

But if I was running on empty I wouldn't just keep driving straight. I'd start looking for something, an exit, a gas station, a bridge, a barn, SOMETHING. They looked like they just let the gas run out without a backup plan. At that point I could see the end coming... if they went through that much risk to retrieve the gun off the hood in the parking lot, that gun was gonna be used before the end of the film. So I kinda knew exactly what he did... he shot the other four including his kid, then he'd step out and wait for his fate.

If the know-it-all next door neighbor rode by in the survivors' truck, THEN I would have laughed my head off.
hamano
post #13  on July 29, 2008 - 10:18 PM PDT  
> On April 3, 2008 - 12:51 PM PDT ScottWeinberg wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> E. The ENDING! I could probably write 1,200 words on the different ways one could interpret the final scenes, and I'll admit I didn't really dig it the first time around -- but it's grown on me. I'll give y'all a chance to reply before I give you my "three-headed" analysis of the piece.

Scott also wrote in his review at FEARnet, "Ultimately, much ink (and conversation) will be spilled over the movie's affection for ambiguity"

I ask, what ambiguity? What different ways one could interpret the final scenes? It seemed really clear cut to me, and the appearance/presence of the Mist and Monsters was clearly explained.

I'll tell you what would have added true ambiguity to the ending... if the rest of the survivors in the Supermarket made it out alive. That would have shown that crazy Mrs. Carmody was RIGHT. When she demanded they hand over the boy, Billy would have survived if they'd handed him over (of course David never would have, BUT), instead of getting shot by his dad. THAT would have put a chill up my spine.

But without knowing the final fate of the Carmody converts, we're just left with the impression that she was a total loon... we're not confronted with the possibility that she had been right all along, which would have been REALLY scary.
Battie
post #14  on July 30, 2008 - 3:13 AM PDT  
> On July 29, 2008 - 9:34 PM PDT Catullus wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> #3 They didn't even try to get gas anywhere. I imagine the pumps were not shut off at most gas stations and its not like it would be very risky to stop at a gas station start up the pump and just drive off (you dont even have to get out to take the pump out as they will break off if you drive away) I dont imagine the monsters would have gotten them in that little amount of time but hey better than just driving a gas guzzler until you run out. Relatively speaking the mist didn't seem that dangerous for very short periods of time, which is enough time to attempt to get gas, and hey if the monsters got you there were other people in the car who would still benefit perhaps.
>

In the original story, they stopped for gas repeatedly. It was David, his son and the chick. They'd decided to keep driving until they hit the Pacific, or until they were killed. If I recall correctly, there was a scene at the end where they stopped for gas (in the story). I think maybe the movie was partially playing off this. Also, most if not all gas stations will only pump when there's power. No power equals no gas. (Though I did wonder why there wasn't one brief scene of them siphoning gas from an empty vehicle.)

> Also as a 3.5, im not sure why someone didnt kill Ms Carmody sooner. I will be quite honest with you, I probably would have had to murder her as soon as she started spouting off her BS. Even throwing her out of the store at the very beginning (id have said GTFO and thrown her out and locked the door behind her back before anyone gave a crap about her. I seriously cant stomach religious freaks like that. Call me intolerant but I think its completely rational to beat someone like that to death.
> ---------------------------------

I think it was the idea that SOMEONE would save them. The military, the government. I'd have likely killed her outright, but I'm a bit more violent than others...nevermind the fact that I live in Texas (only crazies I've met were KKK, but they scared the holy hell out of me - which isn't easy). I think she was allowed to live as a testament to America's evolving idealogy of just Staying Out of It. The average American has no interest in other countries. So what if there's a genocide? I think it was a statement on not acting...as in, waiting far too late to stop what was obviously coming.
Battie
post #15  on July 30, 2008 - 3:20 AM PDT  
> On July 29, 2008 - 9:37 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> But I didn't buy it... It didn't seem to make any sense that the 5 in the Land Cruiser would just give up when they ran out of gas, after all that they went through to get that far (too bad they didn't have a Prius... they might have gone farther...) It would have made more sense if they decided to just sit and wait for something to happen, or if they got out to look for some kind of shelter, monsters be damned. I don't think getting my head chomped off by a giant bug would be much worse than getting shot.
>

It made sense to me. I don't think most people would face an uncertain death over a certain one. If they'd gotten out and tried to find shelter, they may have ended up like the pharmacy guys. They couldn't know what horrors were outside, whether they die instantly or linger. A choice between hope (that had been repeatedly beaten down) and a quick, painless death...they chose suicide. It was certain. (I understood what happened better, I think, because I was suicidal as a kid.) It's easy for me now to say suicide is never the choice, but without the experience..I'd have chosen as they had. Fear is sometimes more powerful than hope. In their place, can you really say you'd lead your child to a death that would be more horrible, more painful than the one offered by a bullet? That was partly the point of the ending. Trying to save someone you loved more pain, only to realize, too late, that saving them was the wrong course of action. Had he waited, just a few minutes longer, he and his son would've survived. Trying to do the right thing and ending up with the wrong is why I walked out of that theater feeling like someone had punched me. I'd done the same once.

> Lastly, was this really a "horror" film? It seemed to be more of a sci-fi thriller (like Alien) than a horror film...
> ---------------------------------

I think the horror was the same kind of horror in 28 Days Later. I'm waiting to hear back from my aunt to see what she felt over the ending.
Battie
post #16  on July 30, 2008 - 3:25 AM PDT  
> On July 29, 2008 - 10:18 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I ask, what ambiguity? What different ways one could interpret the final scenes? It seemed really clear cut to me, and the appearance/presence of the Mist and Monsters was clearly explained.
>
> I'll tell you what would have added true ambiguity to the ending... if the rest of the survivors in the Supermarket made it out alive. That would have shown that crazy Mrs. Carmody was RIGHT. When she demanded they hand over the boy, Billy would have survived if they'd handed him over (of course David never would have, BUT), instead of getting shot by his dad. THAT would have put a chill up my spine.
>
> But without knowing the final fate of the Carmody converts, we're just left with the impression that she was a total loon... we're not confronted with the possibility that she had been right all along, which would have been REALLY scary.
> ---------------------------------

You know, there's the ambiguity. Maybe if David and all of them had stayed inside with the Crazy Clan, they'd have all survived. Maybe not. I think the ambiguity came in saying that neither good nor evil survives. There's no happy ending for the good, but you don't know how everyone in the store survived either (personally, I thought the appearance of the woman and her kids were basically saying the store people would've survived).

The movie never really addressed right or wrong in the ending, which is why is was ambiguous. It didn't condemn the Carmody Converts to death..and yet, David's survivors did die. It was a kind of...'shit happens' ending, pardon the language.
Catullus
post #17  on July 30, 2008 - 4:30 AM PDT  
well battie the being scared outweighing the hope thing doesn't hold water in this instance. They knew how many bullets there were, Thomas Janes character knew he didn't have enough bullets for himself before he shot everyone. Well before that point he could have left the gun in the car, since later on he was going to venture out to his death anyway and tried to find somethings that would keep them going.

And yes finding better shelter or some more gas would make way too much sense :P. I didn't read the Stephen King novel this was based off of and I would assume that it of course goes longer and more into detail than the movie. That said its no excuse for the movie to end as lazy as it did. At least give the HINT that time passes. From what the movie made it seem like they just drove on one tank of gas, ran out and then were like immediately well lets just have Thomas Janes character shoot us all and then he runs out to get killed by a monster. I mean it was like out of gas time to die. I think that goes against EVERYTHING in human nature to try to survive to the very end. There was no immediate threat to them in the vehicle and the monsters like I said didnt attack the car to this point why would they now?

Regardless it was a good movie the ending was lazy and went against common survival logic. I dont think it needs a re-do or anything but if they asked my opinion of the ending before they filmed it I would have told them it was stupid and doesn't make any sense, so take that for what its worth :P
Catullus
post #18  on July 30, 2008 - 4:33 AM PDT  
too add on to my last point it almost felt like the ending was like a TV show that was suddenly cancelled without warning and they had to come up with a half-assed ending that didn't seem like it was thought fully through.

It just didn't sync with the rest of the movie. I enjoyed it only because its dark and im a bastard who hates happy endings.

*evil grin*

shiftless
post #19  on July 30, 2008 - 12:51 PM PDT  
yeah I wondered why they didn't just try and get another car since they were passing so many on the street as they drove. Surely one had gas and a set of keys in it... they gave up too suddenly for the sake of a "horrific" ending
Catullus
post #20  on July 30, 2008 - 3:41 PM PDT  
> On July 30, 2008 - 3:13 AM PDT Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I think it was the idea that SOMEONE would save them. The military, the government. I'd have likely killed her outright, but I'm a bit more violent than others...nevermind the fact that I live in Texas (only crazies I've met were KKK, but they scared the holy hell out of me - which isn't easy). I think she was allowed to live as a testament to America's evolving idealogy of just Staying Out of It. The average American has no interest in other countries. So what if there's a genocide? I think it was a statement on not acting...as in, waiting far too late to stop what was obviously coming.
> ---------------------------------

Well honestly I might not have murdered her outright at first, I probably would have volunteered her to venture outside and by volunteered I mean I would have forced her to go outside.

I would have done so even after the tentacle monster episode :D but then again im quite evil :D

Also maybe its just me but God would literally have to fly down from heaven and shake my hand before Id believe in him.
You would think more people would have a bit more skepticism. If anything the Mist Monsters would have me believing there is no God more firmly than I already was.
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