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Hellboy
Topic by: bkirby99
Posted: April 2, 2004 - 6:53 PM PST
Last Reply: September 1, 2004 - 9:56 PM PDT

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author topic: Hellboy
bkirby99
post #1  on April 2, 2004 - 6:53 PM PST  
Let's have it, GCers...

I just got back from it and I thought it was great! I will admit, though... I enjoyed Dawn of the Dead a little more.
ColonelKong
post #2  on April 3, 2004 - 8:20 PM PST  
I too dug Hellboy, and look forward to seeing it again. I'd say that it's Guillermo Del Toro's best English-language film so far, but I still think that The Devil's Backbone is still my favorite of all of his films. (I got a kick out of the preserved fetus from that film showing up briefly in Hellboy) It's really a film made by and for sci-fi/horror/fantasy geeks, with little touches of HP Lovecraft and Raiders of The Lost Ark (that were already present in the comic book) If Hellboy 2 gets made, I'd definitely be eager to see it, but I'm also interested in seeing the Spanish film he plans to make called Pan's Labyrinth. I really think that Guillermo Del Toro is one our leading masters of dark fantasy, and he's one of the filmmakers whose new films I look foward to seeing the most. I think it's kind of funny that he was offered the job of directing the third Harry Potter movie (fellow Mexican filmmaker Alfonso Cuaron took the job) since he probably would've filled it up with plenty of good old-fashioned nightmare fuel. Still, even though I'm not the greatest fan of Harry Potter, I will admit that the world of Hellboy is probably not a million miles removed from that of Harry Potter in some ways.

I'm not a huge reader of comics, and I haven't read many of the Hellboy comic books (I've only read the Seed of Destruction graphic novel), but I am definitely interested in reading more of them. It isn't that easy for me to do so, since there aren't any good comic book stores here, and the libary here doesn't carry any of them (I have checked out Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and Alan Moore's The Watchmen, but I don't think they have much else in the way of "serious" comic books). If anyone here is more familiar with the comic, and you went in with a little more baggage than I did, how did the movie meet your expectations?
bkirby99
post #3  on April 3, 2004 - 9:15 PM PST  
> On April 3, 2004 - 8:20 PM PST ColonelKong wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>If anyone here is more familiar with the comic, and you went in with a little more baggage than I did, how did the movie meet your expectations?
> ---------------------------------

Exactly what I was wondering (and generally what I wonder on movies like there where I'm unfamiliar with the source material). Thanks, CK, for the queue fodder - I'm gonna have to add The Devil's Backbone.
zapomar
post #4  on April 4, 2004 - 10:02 PM PDT  
I was very pleased with what they did with the movie. I wished Abe was had a larger role because he's one of my favorite characters from the comic, but I can understand they had budget constraints.

An interesting tid-bit: del Toro and Mignola wanted Ron Perlman to play the role of Hellboy from the start, but the movie studio wanted Vin Diesel for "marquee value". Apparently the studio execs felt as though Perlman didn't have the kind of name recognition they wanted considering the amount of money they were putting up for the film. So del Toro and Mignola really had to fight to get Perlman.

Could you imagine Vin Diesel as the protagonist in this film? I don't think I would have been very happy with his performance. Perlman was obviously born to play this role; he did it with effortless ease.
sinisterguffaw
post #5  on April 5, 2004 - 1:03 PM PDT  
O sweet lord! Vin Diesel would've killed this movie faster that a greased polecat in the theater ventilation! I'm getting sick just thinking about it!

Hellboy is a great little piece of Pulp Cinema. I liked it lots, too! And Ron Perlman was fantastic! I wasn't too fond of the Heavy Doses of advertising!
dh22
post #6  on April 5, 2004 - 1:54 PM PDT  
I'd have to say Perlman was born to play the part, even without the make up on.
sinisterguffaw
post #7  on April 5, 2004 - 2:21 PM PDT  
He was a naturally perfect fit in Quest for Fire as well.
valhalla
post #8  on April 6, 2004 - 6:52 AM PDT  
I saw it on Sat. I don't go to the movies much because I'm tired of paying $7 for crap. But this movie was well worth the admission. Not as great a movie as X-Men but much better than say the Dolph version of Punisher. I'd put it in the same level as say Spider-Man and Hulk.
sinisterguffaw
post #9  on April 6, 2004 - 8:59 AM PDT  
My prediction: The "Dolph Version" of the Punisher will revered throughout the annals of history as being 10 times better than the "Travolta Verson."

Back to Hellboy. I would love to see a Hellboy Sequel. And I am not a big fan of sequels. I'm not even sure I want to see the Spider-Man sequel, despite loving the first movie. But another Hellboy sequel would be dandy!
dh22
post #10  on April 6, 2004 - 12:12 PM PDT  
Dude, I like the Dolf version of Punisher. Dolf is way better as the Punisher. Thmoas Jane is way too wussy. They probably would have been better off with Hugh Jackman. He'd do a better job of being a complete bad-ass. You have to remember that Punisher really isn't a nice guy, at all. He's pretty much pissed 24 hours a day.


Anyway, back to Hellboy. I think I'll go it this weekend.


P.S. Did anyone see the Punisher website? It is annoying as hell.
zapomar
post #11  on April 6, 2004 - 12:38 PM PDT  
> On April 6, 2004 - 12:12 PM PDT dh22 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Dude, I like the Dolf version of Punisher. Dolf is way better as the Punisher. Thmoas Jane is way too wussy. They probably would have been better off with Hugh Jackman. He'd do a better job of being a complete bad-ass. You have to remember that Punisher really isn't a nice guy, at all. He's pretty much pissed 24 hours a day.
>
>
> Anyway, back to Hellboy. I think I'll go it this weekend.
>
>
> P.S. Did anyone see the Punisher website? It is annoying as hell.
> ---------------------------------

But Dolph is nothing like the comic book character. Frank Castiglion is Italian, not Swedish! (or where ever Dolph is from). He didn't even have the trademark Punisher skull on his shirt. I don't know what they were thinking when they made that movie.
dh22
post #12  on April 6, 2004 - 12:59 PM PDT  
> On April 6, 2004 - 12:38 PM PDT zapomar wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> But Dolph is nothing like the comic book character. Frank Castiglion is Italian, not Swedish! (or where ever Dolph is from). He didn't even have the trademark Punisher skull on his shirt. I don't know what they were thinking when they made that movie.
> ---------------------------------

He didnt have to be Italian to play the part. He was dark, he was evil, he was bad-ass. And they didnt give him the skull on his shirt because they were trying to avoid coming off as too cartoonish.
zapomar
post #13  on April 6, 2004 - 1:05 PM PDT  
> On April 6, 2004 - 12:59 PM PDT dh22 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On April 6, 2004 - 12:38 PM PDT zapomar wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > But Dolph is nothing like the comic book character. Frank Castiglion is Italian, not Swedish! (or where ever Dolph is from). He didn't even have the trademark Punisher skull on his shirt. I don't know what they were thinking when they made that movie.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> He didnt have to be Italian to play the part. He was dark, he was evil, he was bad-ass. And they didnt give him the skull on his shirt because they were trying to avoid coming off as too cartoonish.
> ---------------------------------

I guess i don't see it. The comic is really cool, and they threw the comic out the window when they made that crap. It was turned into a Dolph B movie at best. Shame on them!
zapomar
post #14  on April 6, 2004 - 1:09 PM PDT  
> On April 6, 2004 - 1:05 PM PDT zapomar wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On April 6, 2004 - 12:59 PM PDT dh22 wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > > On April 6, 2004 - 12:38 PM PDT zapomar wrote:
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > But Dolph is nothing like the comic book character. Frank Castiglion is Italian, not Swedish! (or where ever Dolph is from). He didn't even have the trademark Punisher skull on his shirt. I don't know what they were thinking when they made that movie.
> > > ---------------------------------
> >
> > He didnt have to be Italian to play the part. He was dark, he was evil, he was bad-ass. And they didnt give him the skull on his shirt because they were trying to avoid coming off as too cartoonish.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> I guess i don't see it. The comic is really cool, and they threw the comic out the window when they made that crap. It was turned into a Dolph B movie at best. Shame on them!
>
> ---------------------------------

Come to think of it, the Punisher is the easiest comic book to movie translation around, and they botched that! If they didn't want it to be like The Punisher, they shouldn't have named the move The Punisher.
dh22
post #15  on April 6, 2004 - 1:18 PM PDT  
> On April 6, 2004 - 1:09 PM PDT zapomar wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> > I guess i don't see it. The comic is really cool, and they threw the comic out the window when they made that crap. It was turned into a Dolph B movie at best. Shame on them!
> >
> > ---------------------------------
>
> Come to think of it, the Punisher is the easiest comic book to movie translation around, and they botched that! If they didn't want it to be like The Punisher, they shouldn't have named the move The Punisher.
> ---------------------------------

I wouldn't disagree that the first one was off base, and not that good. However, I don't think this new one is going to be any improvement.
sinisterguffaw
post #16  on April 6, 2004 - 2:10 PM PDT  
amen
bkirby99
post #17  on April 7, 2004 - 7:12 AM PDT  
> On April 6, 2004 - 1:18 PM PDT dh22 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I wouldn't disagree that the first one was off base, and not that good. However, I don't think this new one is going to be any improvement.
> ---------------------------------

i haven't seen the first one, but this new Punisher flick looks REALLY bad to me.
ColonelKong
post #18  on April 7, 2004 - 8:43 AM PDT  
I think this is the most idiotic Hellboy review I've read so far.
sinisterguffaw
post #19  on April 7, 2004 - 10:04 AM PDT  
> On April 7, 2004 - 8:43 AM PDT ColonelKong wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I think this is the most idiotic Hellboy review I've read so far.
> ---------------------------------

That reviewer must have been watching a different Hellboy. Or he didn't watch it at all and just reviewed it based on the commercials. I think, though, that it takes a certain "comic book" mentality to really enjoy Hellboy.

Interesting that a review so pointed on critizing cynicism would take such a cynical approach to the review of a movie that pokes fun at it's own cynical nature.

Did you get that last part? I think I just confused myself. I must be tired. I could sure use some energy. Anyone got a Powerbar?
dh22
post #20  on April 7, 2004 - 10:19 AM PDT  
check out the food thread. jross3 has some protein over there.
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