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Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
Topic by: Battie
Posted: May 24, 2005 - 5:07 PM PDT
Last Reply: June 8, 2005 - 2:22 PM PDT

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author topic: Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
Battie
post #1  on May 24, 2005 - 5:07 PM PDT  
I just saw yet another trailer for this new Johnny Depp movie. The first one just barely disturbed me. It seemed much more umm...fun? than anything else. But this new one, by Tim Burton (king of weird, no less), seems incredibly disturbing. Deliberately so. I'm having trouble holding onto my attraction to Depp after seeing these trailers. Every time I see them, my eyes widen and I feel...repulsed. :P

Is my reaction odd?
IronS
post #2  on May 24, 2005 - 6:36 PM PDT  
So far, I even change the channel when the trailer comes on; that's how disturbed I am by that movie. *shudders*
Battie
post #3  on May 25, 2005 - 3:27 PM PDT  
> On May 24, 2005 - 6:36 PM PDT IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> So far, I even change the channel when the trailer comes on; that's how disturbed I am by that movie. *shudders*
> ---------------------------------

Hehehehehe! I don't blame you!

But, I have to hand it to Depp...he's managed to look completely crazy and does it beyond believability!
RParson
post #4  on May 27, 2005 - 7:36 PM PDT  
For some reason, some of the promo pictures of Johnny Depp for this movie remind me of Malcom McDowell and Clockwork Orange.

IronS
post #5  on May 27, 2005 - 8:48 PM PDT  
> On May 27, 2005 - 7:36 PM PDT RParson wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> For some reason, some of the promo pictures of Johnny Depp for this movie remind me of Malcom McDowell and Clockwork Orange.
>

Egad! It's the hat, isn't it?
woozy
post #6  on May 27, 2005 - 9:10 PM PDT  
> On May 27, 2005 - 8:48 PM PDT IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On May 27, 2005 - 7:36 PM PDT RParson wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > For some reason, some of the promo pictures of Johnny Depp for this movie remind me of Malcom McDowell and Clockwork Orange.
> >
>

Cool! The Chocolate Clockwork Factory! A Burgess/Dahl cross-over film! I'd pay to see that!


> Egad! It's the hat, isn't it?

It's the eyes with eye-shadow.
> ---------------------------------

woozy
post #7  on May 27, 2005 - 9:11 PM PDT  
> Cool! The Chocolate Clockwork Factory! A Burgess/Dahl cross-over film! I'd pay to see that!
>
>
Or maybe I'll just go to Cost-plus and buy a Chocolate Orange. They're yummy too.
Battie
post #8  on May 27, 2005 - 11:39 PM PDT  
> On May 27, 2005 - 7:36 PM PDT RParson wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> For some reason, some of the promo pictures of Johnny Depp for this movie remind me of Malcom McDowell and Clockwork Orange.
>
>
> ---------------------------------

OH DEAR GOD! I saw that movie like at 13. I swear, I saw the most distubring *beep* between the ages of twelve and fifteen. *shudder* Clockwork Orange scarred me!

But you're right. It does seem reminescent of that movie..
vexkitten
post #9  on May 28, 2005 - 8:35 PM PDT  
Gene Wilder was actually pretty deranged and sinister in the old version, at least until the end. He'll be hard to top.
Johnny reminds me of someone in this.., Warhol, maybe? It's the zoned-out lack of affect. He does look weird. Is he wearing fake teeth?
Clockwork Orange at 12? Yeah, that'll do it. Now I get it...
PGalloway1
post #10  on May 28, 2005 - 9:19 PM PDT  
> On May 27, 2005 - 7:36 PM PDT RParson wrote:
> For some reason, some of the promo pictures of Johnny Depp for this movie remind me of Malcom McDowell and Clockwork Orange.
>

Sacrilege! Depp is no droog, and Burton is no Kubrick. He's closer to Michael Jackson for my money ...
Cosplayer
post #11  on May 29, 2005 - 6:25 AM PDT  
Firrst he does gay pirates, now gay chocolate maker. It's perfect. The old version scared the shit out of me...when that girl turned purple...ug. DOes this one have oompaloompas? I didn't see any.
ALittlefield
post #12  on May 29, 2005 - 4:21 PM PDT  
> On May 29, 2005 - 6:25 AM PDT Cosplayer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> DOes this one have oompaloompas? I didn't see any.


In a first season episode of FUTURAMA the heroes go to a slurm factory that's a parody of Willy Wonka, complete with oompaloompas; at one point the Wonka character yells at them "I'm not paying you to sing! You just wasted your lunch hour!" That's a line that I always wanted Gene Wilder to say. (As for your question, I assume there must be oompaloompas, but hopefully they won't sing).
Battie
post #13  on May 29, 2005 - 5:29 PM PDT  
> On May 29, 2005 - 4:21 PM PDT ALittlefield wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On May 29, 2005 - 6:25 AM PDT Cosplayer wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > DOes this one have oompaloompas? I didn't see any.
>
>
> In a first season episode of FUTURAMA the heroes go to a slurm factory that's a parody of Willy Wonka, complete with oompaloompas; at one point the Wonka character yells at them "I'm not paying you to sing! You just wasted your lunch hour!" That's a line that I always wanted Gene Wilder to say. (As for your question, I assume there must be oompaloompas, but hopefully they won't sing).
> ---------------------------------

LOL! That was too funny.

Still...I wouldn't have minded a mad business if I could live in The Chocolate Factory. Mmmm...
RParson
post #14  on June 1, 2005 - 1:29 AM PDT  
One of my first experiences with how tv mangles movies was with Willie Wonka. I had seen Willie Wonka in the theatre, and a couple years later caught it on NBC. They edited out the Oooma Loompa song about how bad tv is.

Robert
kohnfused1
post #15  on June 1, 2005 - 11:17 AM PDT  
> On May 29, 2005 - 6:25 AM PDT Cosplayer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Firrst he does gay pirates, now gay chocolate maker. It's perfect. The old version scared the shit out of me...when that girl turned purple...ug. DOes this one have oompaloompas? I didn't see any.
> ---------------------------------

I saw the Oompaloompa's in the trailer, they're not midgets. They're like the size of a hand.
underdog
post #16  on June 2, 2005 - 1:24 PM PDT  
Did anyone ever see the Futurama parody of Willy Wonka? HEE-larious. (They go to the Slurm Factory.) It was rerun on Cartoon Network this week. The Oompa-Loompa-like Grunka Lunkas, with their seriously forced rhymes, are a particular highlight.


Anyway, here's what Gene Wilder on the remake:
(from IMDB's WENN:)
Wilder: "Wonka Remake Is All About Money"
Movie funnyman Gene Wilder has attacked Tim Burton's choice of Johnny Depp to play Willy Wonka in upcoming film Charlie And The Chocolate Factory as a money-making ploy. Wilder, who played Wonka in the original 1971 film Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory, is suspicious of movie moguls' motives for remaking the Roald Dahl fantasy, and sees it as "pointless". He says, "It's all about money. It's just some people sitting around thinking 'How can we make some more money?' Why else would you remake Willy Wonka? I don't see the point of going back and doing it all over again. I like Johnny Depp, and I appreciate that he has said on record that my shoes will be hard to fill. But I don't know how it will all turn out." Despite Wilder's reservations, Burton insists his film will be closer to the original Dahl novel, than Wilder's musical version.
woozy
post #17  on June 3, 2005 - 12:43 AM PDT  

>
> Anyway, here's what Gene Wilder on the remake:
> (from IMDB's WENN:)
> Wilder: "Wonka Remake Is All About Money"
> Movie funnyman Gene Wilder .. and sees it as "pointless".

Man! Sour Grapes! It's odd but I always thought the "original" '71 movie was pointless.
RParson
post #18  on June 3, 2005 - 8:07 AM PDT  
> On June 3, 2005 - 12:43 AM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>
> >
> > Anyway, here's what Gene Wilder on the remake:
> > (from IMDB's WENN:)
> > Wilder: "Wonka Remake Is All About Money"
> > Movie funnyman Gene Wilder .. and sees it as "pointless".
>
> Man! Sour Grapes! It's odd but I always thought the "original" '71 movie was pointless.
> ---------------------------------

!GASP! How can you say such a thing? How can you even THINK such a thing?

I bet you don't even beleive in the Easter Lemur!

Robert
Cinenaut
post #19  on June 3, 2005 - 8:35 AM PDT  
Johnny Depp strikes me as a good choice for the role, but why didn't Tim Burton make a movie out of the sequel, Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator? I want to see Vermicious Knids running amok!

Oh you Knid, you are vile and vermicious!
You are slimy and soggy and squishous!
But what do we care
'Cause you can't get in here,
So hop it and don't get ambitious!

woozy
post #20  on June 3, 2005 - 12:54 PM PDT  

> > Man! Sour Grapes! It's odd but I always thought the "original" '71 movie was pointless.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> !GASP! How can you say such a thing? How can you even THINK such a thing?
>
Every now and then you find yourself totally and completely puzzled by the ideas of rest of the world. Maybe you don't care much for chocolate and are puzzle by people going into passionate euphoric fits about how rich and sensuous it is. It's just heavy chalky sweet stuff with a bitter after taste to you. Or you just don't like rock music and have absolutely no fond memory of high-school and never once considered the music of the time as "the soundtrack of your life". Or you could be like me. You saw a silly immemorable movie with bad songs based on a book you liked and figured ho-hum to the movie and then get puzzled when in college every-one remembers it as a definative classic.

My point is only that his language seems unnescessarily harsh and bitter and just bad sportsmanship when his movie, although arguably good and well-loved and ... ?classic? really?? it's a *classic*? *shrugs*... is not an untouchable subject at which the idea of a remake is sacrilege... I mean, I'd understand such bitter words in discussion a remake of Citizen Kane starring Leonardo deCaprio but "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"??? Just sour grapes so far as I can tell.

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