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Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire
Topic by: IronS
Posted: November 20, 2005 - 9:54 PM PST
Last Reply: December 11, 2005 - 8:36 PM PST

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author topic: Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire
IronS
post #1  on November 20, 2005 - 9:54 PM PST  
I'll try not to put forth any spoilers until next week or something....

It has been a while since I have read the book so although I know what happens, I still quite enjoy the film. I do like the book, especially when Hermione wows the boys (yes, nerd girls clean up nicely ^ _ ^ ). Anyway, this film seems to have pruned quite a bit from the book, but since the book is pretty thick, I'm not surprised. My boyfriend thinks this is the best one of the Harry Potter films so far.
IronS
post #2  on November 20, 2005 - 9:56 PM PST  
From other threads....

> On November 20, 2005 - 7:40 PM PST pooja wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> So how'd you like it? I had heard some good reviews, but I didn't really care for it. The dragons were cool, but I had the same feeling as from the first 3 films that they were just keen on covering all the important points from the book. It's like seeing the books through the Pensieve...
> ---------------------------------

> On November 20, 2005 - 7:51 PM PST pooja wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> The Harry Potter films, they feel like the producers made a checklist of scenes and images from the book they have to cover and banged everything out in order. I understand they can't possibly cover everything from the book, so why try so hard? Every cut and scene transition looked "artificial" to me. Like The Goblet of Fire was originally a 5 hour film they cut down to 160 minutes.
> ---------------------------------
pooja
post #3  on November 20, 2005 - 10:20 PM PST  
> On November 20, 2005 - 9:54 PM PST IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I'll try not to put forth any spoilers until next week or something....

Oh, why bother! As far as I could tell everyone in the theater who was under 65 and older than 4 had read the book already.

> although I know what happens, I still quite enjoy the film.

Hey, are you making fun of the way I speak?
;-)

> My boyfriend thinks this is the best one of the Harry Potter films so far.

I might agree with that, but I can't help but feel that something ESSENTIAL from the books gets lost when the films are made. Everything is moved past you so fast you don't have time to get emotionally involved in anything. Those moments only come when a shot or scene reminds you of a passage from the books.

And I don't want to be catty, but the poor actress who plays Ginny just doesn't have IT. I think it was probably a mistake to build the films around long-term contracts with all the child actors, because it's a crap shoot how these kids' looks change as they grow older. Maybe it can't be avoided with Harry, Hermione and Ron, but I think everyone else could have been safely recast from film to film, perhaps for the better. Ironically, some of the actors have changed so much as they've grown they're hardly recognizable as the characters they started out being.

Ginny didn't even have red hair, as far as I could tell with the somber washed-out look the director chose for this film.

And how could they dress that poor actress who played Fleur in that tight shiny high-leg swimsuit, while the boys got away with shirts and what looked like gym shorts? Doesn't Daniel Radcliffe look good in Speedos? He looked okay in the bath scene with Moaning Myrtle...

The only thing in the movies I really like better than the books is Myrtle. She's really funny. I hope they do as well with Luna Lovegood!
IronS
post #4  on November 20, 2005 - 11:59 PM PST  
> On November 20, 2005 - 10:20 PM PST pooja wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On November 20, 2005 - 9:54 PM PST IronS wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I'll try not to put forth any spoilers until next week or something....
>
> Oh, why bother! As far as I could tell everyone in the theater who was under 65 and older than 4 had read the book already.
>

Except for the two boys sitting behind me who kept on wondering what was going to happen. Loudly.

> > although I know what happens, I still quite enjoy the film.
>
> Hey, are you making fun of the way I speak?
> ;-)
>

What? I think I may have missed something....

> > My boyfriend thinks this is the best one of the Harry Potter films so far.
>
> I might agree with that, but I can't help but feel that something ESSENTIAL from the books gets lost when the films are made. Everything is moved past you so fast you don't have time to get emotionally involved in anything.
>

Actually, I have the same complaint about the book itself with regards to Cedric. He didn't show up in the previous books and then... you know. At least in the movie he's really cute. Man, they haven't had a cute guy in the films since Oliver Wood. *sigh*

Still, they did lose lots of the politcal stuff - the Ministry's denial of the return of Voldemort and such.

> And I don't want to be catty, but the poor actress who plays Ginny just doesn't have IT.
>

She didn't get to do anything in this one so how can we tell? She hung out with Hermione for a few scenes and then was Neville's date. That was it. I guess the same is true for the books in that she didn't get to do much between the Chamber of Secrets and the Half Blood Prince.

> Ironically, some of the actors have changed so much as they've grown they're hardly recognizable as the characters they started out being.
>

Yeah, Neville grew so much for the last film that I was surprised, but I really like him in this one. He was interested in dancing, a plus in my book. :)

> And how could they dress that poor actress who played Fleur in that tight shiny high-leg swimsuit, while the boys got away with shirts and what looked like gym shorts?
>

She looked so hot in the other outfits and then that swimsuit. *shudders* I would have voted for a darker-colored racerback suit that would make her look more athletic.

They also didn't have Hermione explain that the "hostages" were not in any real danger since the merpeople would return them after the hour was up. I thought that was a time-constraint related oversight.

> Doesn't Daniel Radcliffe look good in Speedos? He looked okay in the bath scene with Moaning Myrtle...
>

:) Someone's been working out....

> The only thing in the movies I really like better than the books is Myrtle. She's really funny. I hope they do as well with Luna Lovegood!
> ---------------------------------

Myrtle is pretty fun. Welll, actually there are quite a few characters that I would want to see again, such as the various ghosts. I also thought that Miranda Richardson had way too much fun as Rita Skeeter.
pooja
post #5  on November 21, 2005 - 5:43 AM PST  
> On November 20, 2005 - 11:59 PM PST IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > Oh, why bother! As far as I could tell everyone in the theater who was under 65 and older than 4 had read the book already.
> >
>
> Except for the two boys sitting behind me who kept on wondering what was going to happen. Loudly.

Oh, they read it alright! They were just trying to be annoying or they have some kind of mild amnesia. They'd probably practiced obliviate on each other earlier...

> > And I don't want to be catty, but the poor actress who plays Ginny just doesn't have IT.
> >
>
> She didn't get to do anything in this one so how can we tell?

That's the director's job. We all know the plot up to the most recent book so the producers should be aware of where Ginny's headed. I think Hermione is a bit too glamorous and Ginny not enough to do right by the books...

> Myrtle is pretty fun. Welll, actually there are quite a few characters that I would want to see again, such as the various ghosts.

Yes, I kept wondering where Nearly Headless Nick was. His contract expired? John Cleese was busy? His head finally came off all the way? No Dursleys either. Oops, now I've spoiled the film for all those Dudley fangirls!
Cinenaut
post #6  on November 21, 2005 - 10:56 AM PST  
Ginny will probably be fine. They'll give her some lines, change her makeup, her costumes and the lighting and Harry will go ga-ga over her.

Myrtle is okay in small doses.

I thought it was quite good. I wonder how much just flew by people who hadn't read the books?
woozy
post #7  on November 21, 2005 - 11:14 AM PST  
> On November 21, 2005 - 10:56 AM PST Cinenaut wrote:

> I thought it was quite good. I wonder how much just flew by people who hadn't read the books?
> ---------------------------------

The only reason I can imagine for anyone not having read the book to see this would be to accompany children and then they wouldn't expect to be able to follow it. Or a date. I saw Chamber of Secrets with a friend of mine who was just giddy and ecstatic to see it come to screen and her boyfriend hadn't read the books and boy did he have complaints. (Mainly what pooja has pointed out; there was no emotional connection and it was just a bunch of stuff that happened.)
kohnfused1
post #8  on November 21, 2005 - 1:06 PM PST  
> On November 21, 2005 - 11:14 AM PST woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
...there was no emotional connection and it was just a bunch of stuff that happened.
>
> ---------------------------------

Sounds like a typical date.

:-)
dpowers
post #9  on November 21, 2005 - 1:10 PM PST  
i liked the last one better. this time felt like watching a long scooby doo episode. very little character presence.
kohnfused1
post #10  on November 21, 2005 - 1:16 PM PST  
> On November 21, 2005 - 1:10 PM PST dpowers wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> i liked the last one better. this time felt like watching a long scooby doo episode. very little character presence.
> ---------------------------------

...damn, meddling kids!
artifex
post #11  on November 21, 2005 - 1:18 PM PST  
> On November 21, 2005 - 11:14 AM PST woozy wrote:
> The only reason I can imagine for anyone not having read the book to see this would be to accompany children and then they wouldn't expect to be able to follow it.

Well, I don't recall reading it, and I haven't had anyone volunteer their kids to enable me to go see it, so I guess I'm stuck until the DVD comes out. :)

Oh, and most boys who look like Neville did at the beginning probably grow out of it as they get older. Sounds like it was good typecasting; he's supposed to be seen as more "useful" and likeable and stuff as the series continues, isn't he? And as the character gets more self confident, hopefully he won't be so easy for the main characters to dismiss. But then, I always root for the underdogs, like Ron and Neville.
woozy
post #12  on November 21, 2005 - 2:29 PM PST  
> Well, I don't recall reading it, and I haven't had anyone volunteer their kids to enable me to go see it, so I guess I'm stuck until the DVD comes out. :)
>
You haven't read it? And you want to see it? Hmm... maybe my theory is wrong...
dpowers
post #13  on November 21, 2005 - 3:15 PM PST  
> ...damn, meddling kids!

yes yes! "polyjuice potion! but... who is it? mr jenkins, the taxidermist!!!"
Cinenaut
post #14  on November 21, 2005 - 4:22 PM PST  
So many people are going to see it that some will go just because of the inertial forces.
dpowers
post #15  on November 21, 2005 - 5:44 PM PST  
that's why i saw titanic.

so the best thing is, i passed up a chance to see the passenger at a theater just up the street in order to see goblet. bad things had gone wrong all over the place and i was in a horrible mood. we walked into the theater, nearly sat, walked back out, got a $20 refund from one kid, carried it 7 blocks, gave it to another kid. this turned out to have been very pleasant, all considered, because we got to make some good jokes about the lion, the witch, and the goblet of fire because of battling billboards, we got to have some very good portuguese food at an all-night diner, and i didn't have to watch the passenger in a bad mood, instead taking it out on innocent wizardlings.

the bad thing is i still haven't seen the good one.
artifex
post #16  on November 21, 2005 - 6:03 PM PST  
> On November 21, 2005 - 2:29 PM PST woozy wrote:
> You haven't read it? And you want to see it? Hmm... maybe my theory is wrong...

Well, I read all the earlier ones, and saw the movies. Actually, I might have read this one, also. I just don't recall. I still haven't seen the last two LOTRs or what's being called Star Wars III, either.
kohnfused1
post #17  on November 22, 2005 - 9:28 AM PST  
> On November 21, 2005 - 4:22 PM PST Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> So many people are going to see it that some will go just because of the inertial forces.
> ---------------------------------

I want to see it for its kinetic energy.
dpowers
post #18  on November 22, 2005 - 10:07 AM PST  
photokinesis! light strikes it, and it moves!
kohnfused1
post #19  on November 22, 2005 - 10:27 AM PST  
> On November 22, 2005 - 10:07 AM PST dpowers wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> photokinesis! light strikes it, and it moves!
> ---------------------------------

I'll bring the potato, if someone could bring the wires and a light bulb.
artifex
post #20  on November 22, 2005 - 11:07 AM PST  
> On November 22, 2005 - 10:27 AM PST kohnfused1 wrote:
> I'll bring the potato, if someone could bring the wires and a light bulb.

It's a nice plan, but I think over time your implementation will be rotten. :)
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