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THE QUIBBLER: The Thread that Discusses the Truth about Harry Potter (SPOILERS!)
Topic by: hamano
Posted: April 19, 2004 - 11:02 AM PDT
Last Reply: July 31, 2009 - 9:50 PM PDT

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author topic: THE QUIBBLER: The Thread that Discusses the Truth about Harry Potter (SPOILERS!)
woozy
post #181  on July 23, 2005 - 10:50 PM PDT  
>
> See, I did ask, but you didn't reply so there!
> ---------------------------------


Somehow I missed the entire thread. Sorry. I'd have liked to have gone but I probably had made other plans to see a movie anyway.

Are you available on weekdays? Do you ever have a desire to go to the Legion of Honor in SF? (That's one of my favorite views of the gate, the Marin Headlands, and mile rock, and I'm a member so I get into the museum for free.)
IronS
post #182  on July 23, 2005 - 10:58 PM PDT  
Egad! Parking in SF?! Not if I can help it. Actually, my two favorite places in SF are the Exploratorium (iffy parking at best) and Golden Gate Park (at least one can usually find some parking around there).
woozy
post #183  on July 23, 2005 - 11:13 PM PDT  
> On July 23, 2005 - 10:58 PM PDT IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Egad! Parking in SF?! Not if I can help it. Actually, my two favorite places in SF are the Exploratorium (iffy parking at best) and Golden Gate Park (at least one can usually find some parking around there).
> ---------------------------------

On a week-day, parking in the legion's parking lot is fairly easy. On church street I can usually find parking on Church Street near "no-name sushi". I used to have lunch with Ravewin and my previous work buddies before they all started ignoring me. (*sniff* *sniff*) Actually it's great Sushi and the waitress used to love us. Actually she's probably pissed that we suddenly stopped coming without warning.

IronS
post #184  on July 24, 2005 - 11:19 AM PDT  
Back on topic.

Looking at the site for the Goblet of Fire film I wonder what the deal is with Ron's hair. Also, the boys no longer look 14. Oh well. I do wonder how much of the book got cut out of the film.
IronS
post #185  on July 24, 2005 - 11:54 AM PDT  
I'm going to forgo all the SPOILERS warnings.

I think jross3 has an excellent idea. The bad guys aren't all bad (except perhaps Voldemort) and the good guys aren't all good so it is still possible that Snape is questionable. After all, Harry spent the year obsessing about Draco Malfoy and he (Draco) turned out to not be all that bad in the end.

Also, I suppose Dolores Umbridge will have to suffer some more in the next book (Harry still carried the scars on his hand from one of her punishments as he showed Scrimgeour).

> On July 19, 2005 - 9:47 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > I don't see a whole lot of killing off the mother figure for a young woman to come of age.
>
> Women come of age? I that they just get carried of by the young man and then popped out the next batch of heros. (just kidding)
>

But she has to choose the young man and make him think it's his idea. Now, that's acting. ;)

> The symbolism is that the father forms you but you can not be your own until you cast off what others made you. To recognize one's own power, one must best the power that one used to rely upon and thus realize that one has surpassed the support one used to rely upon. In other words, one must surpass/kill ones father. Is pretty sexist though.
>

So it is the lion thing. A warning for you, woozy --> Or the IY/Tetsusaiga thing.

> Heh, heh, what if the last horcrux is in Harry Potter himself?
>

That'd be tough. However, I should think that perhaps Godric's Hollow will yield some clue. After all, both of Harry's parents were killed there so there may be a chance that their deaths were used to make a couple of horcruxes. Although lots of people were killed by the Death Eaters, how many were killed by Voldemort himself or in his presence (in the case of the Riddle House caretaker)?
woozy
post #186  on July 24, 2005 - 1:30 PM PDT  
*SPOILERS about the 6th book still*

> After all, Harry spent the year obsessing about Draco Malfoy and he (Draco) turned out to not be all that bad in the end.
>
Ya think? A brat who gladly jumps into what should be obviously evil to anyone (killing is baaad-- don't kill) for the sake of grandeur and then not having the will to follow through (murdering's pretty hard to do if you have even the slightest scrap of a conscious) seems pretty bad to me. He's sympathetic in that it's sad to get yourself into a morally compremising situation in which you have to live with guilt and consequences and the uderstanding you've wasted you potential and can't be good now (as you've chosen evil) nor evil (as you've failed) so have nothing left. Sympathetic, but still bad. Some would call this the "tragic hero" but I think "tragic villian" is more apt.

> So it is the lion thing. A warning for you, woozy --> Or the IY/Tetsusaiga thing.
>
I guess. Uh, the spoiler is for me? Oh, well. What exactly were you protecting me from? Guess theres and Inu Yashi story about the tetsusaiga to come (after the first one in the fathers tomb...)?

> > Heh, heh, what if the last horcrux is in Harry Potter himself?
> >
>
> That'd be tough.

It'd be engenious and a seriously dark philosophical ground. Or maybe his soul is linked to James, who other than kindly Hagrid's admiration and Dumbledore's respect may be a nasty little show-off.

Kind of wish more where developed about why Voldemont is evil. Wanting power and engaging in the black arts for it is understandable but why, extreme evil? And why did the Death Eaters all want to jump on the bandwagon when its clearly ... well, nasty.

The entire wizard world seems rather small, doesn't it, when, well, everything can be swayed by one wizard the entire art of magic, which serves as technology, politics, economic, history, and culture, is so little understood or controlled by mediocre professers like Trelawney and students like Harry (lets face it, he really doesn't understand magic very well at all) can influence it. I can see Riddles Pride and ambition and even his believe in racial purity. But if he's the wizard world's Hitler there really needs to be a post WWI world and national disgrace to turn his hatred and ambition into evil and there needs to be an undesirable world for him to offer and evil alternative that the Death Eaters would be eager to jump into.

woozy
post #187  on September 13, 2005 - 6:12 PM PDT  
For those of you in the SF area, and for you rare breed in the *east* bay area, Black Oaks Books is going to have a "Harry Potter Discussion Group". I have no idea what that'll be like... but there it is on the table.
hamano
post #188  on November 29, 2006 - 1:44 PM PST  
An Order of the Phoenix pre-preview has appeared on Google Video. This installment is being helmed by no-name director David Yates, in contrast to the top tier directors who've worked on HP films before. Yates has a lot of experience in TV... will this translate to better direction for actors playing familiar characters? Will Yates be able to handle a franchise that relies so heavily on post-production special effects?
woozy
post #189  on November 29, 2006 - 2:20 PM PST  
TV style direction might be what this mostly talky, mostly intermediate character driven mid-serial installment needs.

By the way, I only just discovered "Timothy Hunter" and "The Books of Magic" about another moody glasses wearing teenager with shaggy hair and potential destiny to be a historic wizard but who is more concerned with teen-age growing pangs. Actually, the two don't have much in common except modern english adolescent looks, but that is eeriely similar. Tim Hunter pre-dates Harry Potter by about three years though.

IronS
post #190  on November 29, 2006 - 2:20 PM PST  
I'm just glad that the boys got haircuts. That shaggy 70's look in the Goblet of Fire was too much.
woozy
post #191  on November 29, 2006 - 2:28 PM PST  
> On November 29, 2006 - 2:20 PM PST IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I'm just glad that the boys got haircuts. That shaggy 70's look in the Goblet of Fire was too much.
> ---------------------------------

I agree but maybe they went too far in Harry's buzz-cut sides. Looks ... too controlled in the broomstick scenes. Actually this next movie looks pretty cool! Looks like they might go through with whole series.

Ursus
post #192  on November 30, 2006 - 1:15 PM PST  
Movie in July.

Book in 2007??? Any ideas when in 2007? My bet would be Fall/X-Mas.

I am more excited for Book 7 than Film 5 (it wasn't my Fav. book; too long, needed more editing).
woozy
post #193  on November 30, 2006 - 1:26 PM PST  
> On November 30, 2006 - 1:15 PM PST Ursus wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Movie in July.
>
> Book in 2007??? Any ideas when in 2007? My bet would be Fall/X-Mas.
>
THe last three were all in Summer. I imagine this will be summer as well.


> I am more excited for Book 7 than Film 5 (it wasn't my Fav. book; too long, needed more editing).
> ---------------------------------

I'd be very surprised if book 5 were anyone's favorite. Most folks I've talked with simply saw it as a mortgage payment slummer. I suppose it isn't everyone's least favorite (although most people I know put it there by default) but if you find anyone who has it as a favorite... well, let me know.

IronS
post #194  on December 21, 2006 - 10:59 AM PST  
Book 7 is "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows." Ooooooo...
Ursus
post #195  on December 21, 2006 - 1:56 PM PST  
*GASP!*

I'm liking the sounds of this one! : )

The movie? I still don't care.

BRING ON THE BOOK!!!

hamano
post #196  on December 21, 2006 - 2:10 PM PST  
Sorry to put a wet blanket on all your fun, but the new book will be called "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" not Hollows. Unless it's like that Philosophers/Sorcerers thing again from the first book.... But Hallows. Not Hollows. This ain't BLEACH.
woozy
post #197  on December 21, 2006 - 3:17 PM PST  
> On December 21, 2006 - 2:10 PM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Sorry to put a wet blanket on all your fun, but the new book will be called "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" not Hollows.

Wouldn't call that a "wet blanket". "Deathly Hallows" sounds better than "Deathly Hollows" to me. Hmm, what is a "hollow" as a noun and what is a "hallow". Umm, I'm going to venture to guess that Ursus and IronS when reading and typing "hollow" were thinking "hallow" rather than "hollow" as a noun.

From Merriam Webster's:

Main Entry: 1hol·low
Pronunciation: 'hä-(")lO
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English holw, holh, from Old English holh hole, hollow -- more at HOLE
1 : an unfilled space : CAVITY, HOLE
2 : a depressed or low part of a surface; especially : a small valley or basin

and

Main Entry: hal·low
Pronunciation: 'ha-(")lO
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English halowen, from Old English hAlgian, from hAlig holy -- more at HOLY
1 : to make holy or set apart for holy use
2 : to respect greatly : VENERATE


Hmmm, the Washington Irving story is Sleepy Hollow but Halloween and all other variations are Hallows.


Anyhoot, sounds good.
IronS
post #198  on December 21, 2006 - 3:32 PM PST  
It is "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" everywhere except on Yahoo.

I should have checked Scholastic or www.jkrowling.com first...
woozy
post #199  on December 21, 2006 - 5:00 PM PST  
> On December 21, 2006 - 3:32 PM PST IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> It is "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" everywhere except on Yahoo.
>
> I should have checked Scholastic or www.jkrowling.com first...
> ---------------------------------

Ha! You are *more* than forgiven.

Um, is there a trophy when you catch a news error. You deserve one.

Ursus
post #200  on December 22, 2006 - 10:13 AM PST  
STILL NOT CARING! Hallows or Hollows, neither disappoint...

BRING ON THE BOOK!!!
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