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THE QUIBBLER: The Thread that Discusses the Truth about Harry Potter (SPOILERS!)
Topic by: hamano
Posted: April 19, 2004 - 11:02 AM PDT
Last Reply: July 31, 2009 - 9:50 PM PDT

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author topic: THE QUIBBLER: The Thread that Discusses the Truth about Harry Potter (SPOILERS!)
hamano
post #21  on April 20, 2004 - 8:54 AM PDT  
I started reading the books around 1998. I heard about Harry Potter before the first book came out in the US, on NPR (it's the source for a lot of cultural news at the hamano house), a report about adults in England getting hooked on the books. They'd buy the books to read on the "tube" or the bus, but they were a bit embarrassed to be seen reading a children's book in public. So they took the paper covers off adult fiction or non-fiction bestsellers and put them on their copy of The Philosopher's Stone. Soon there was a company selling a perfect size fake cover! I thought this was pretty amusing, so I got a copy of the Sorcerer's Stone straight away when it was published.

I was an early adopter of MYST as well, after hearing about it on NPR.

I was pretty pissed off when the movie rights went to Chris Columbus and his crowd... I wondered if anyone had bothered to show JKR a copy of Kiki's Delivery Service. I knew Miyazaki didn't direct other people's stuff, but Studio Ghibli could certainly have done it as a non-Miyazaki project. Back in my mind there's still some hope that Ghibli or someone else in Japan could maybe do a deal for an anime Harry Potter TV series that would adapt the books more fully... Ah, it'll never happen but I can dream!

I think the live action films so far do a pretty poor job of conveying Harry's angst and sadness. On the other hand, the emotional highlights of the books (Lilly taking the hit that would've killed Harry, the time the patronus spell saves Harry from the massed dementors) are classic anime moments, don't you think?
AFleming
post #22  on April 20, 2004 - 10:05 AM PDT  
I kinda like the movies. I'm not sure if they got the "sadness" as you say. Seems like they were kinda limited by the acting ablities of the children who play the roles. Maybe they were reticent to make it TOO challenging for them. I think the kids did a good job, especially considering their ages.

I hadn't thought of an anime version, but that might be really cool. My Harry isn't really that much like Daniel Radcliffe and when I first saw the PS, I was like, eh? I thought Harry was a scrawny little nerdy guy (I think nerds are SO hot, especially guys with glasses. You can see why Harry appealed to me!). Daniel Radcliffe is well... I don't know, but he's growing on me. In the clips from the POA film he looks much more Harry-ish. I also noticed that as each film goes by, Hermione looks less and less mousey. It's like they are afraid to give a major role to a girl that couldn't find a place on the WB, even when it is a "pretty-ugly girl" situation to begin with. Fan service. -sighs-
IronS
post #23  on April 20, 2004 - 11:31 AM PDT  
In the first film, I thought Daniel Radcliffe looked pretty stunned practically the whole way. I think there weas more going on internally for Harry that Daniel couldn't convey (or maybe didn't have time to do so).

> On April 20, 2004 - 10:05 AM PDT AFleming wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I think nerds are SO hot, especially guys with glasses.

If they're young (see young Bill Gates). But eventually they do grow up and then blech (see Bill Gates now).

> I also noticed that as each film goes by, Hermione looks less and less mousey. It's like they are afraid to give a major role to a girl that couldn't find a place on the WB, even when it is a "pretty-ugly girl" situation to begin with. Fan service. -sighs-
> ---------------------------------

Yeah, Emma Watson was a bit too pretty to begin with. I thought they should have at least given her fake buck teeth to make the transformation more credible. In the books, she does become more attractive as she gets older anyway.

What cracked me up was the scene with Aragog. Rupert Grint's voice kept on breaking. Poor guy, to have his voice changing during a scene in which he has to yell and screech.
AFleming
post #24  on April 20, 2004 - 11:48 AM PDT  
> On April 20, 2004 - 11:31 AM PDT IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> In the first film, I thought Daniel Radcliffe looked pretty stunned practically the whole way. I think there weas more going on internally for Harry that Daniel couldn't convey (or maybe didn't have time to do so).
>
> ---------------------------------

I agree. You do have to sorta forgive him a bit of it though. Think of the pressure of millions of fans of the books! But not TOO much forgiveness seeing as now he is the richest teenager in the UK next only to Prince Harry (and estimated to outstrip P. Harry as soon as the next film is out!)

I read an interview with him (D.R.)somewhere where he said that he doesn't intend to act again after he finishes with HP. Wonder if that will happen? In little Daniel's defense, he has the hardest role of the three. The other two are characatures of people- extremes. The slap-stick funny guy. The know-it-all nerd. Harry is deep and introspective. That seems like a lot more challenging to convey. Especially for a 12 yr old in his first real role.
hamano
post #25  on April 20, 2004 - 2:25 PM PDT  
> On April 20, 2004 - 11:31 AM PDT IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On April 20, 2004 - 10:05 AM PDT AFleming wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I think nerds are SO hot, especially guys with glasses.
> If they're young (see young Bill Gates). But eventually they do grow up and then blech (see Bill Gates now).

Hmmm.... BLECH has much nicer clothes, though.

I think DR is going for a bit of the John Lennon look, like this or this. See, DR has that mop top look going with the round glasses from early on.

AFleming
post #26  on April 20, 2004 - 2:44 PM PDT  
> On April 20, 2004 - 2:25 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I think DR is going for a bit of the John Lennon look, like this or this. See, DR has that mop top look going with the round glasses from early on.
>
>
> ---------------------------------

I think the director has total control over things like hair style. At least that's the way it is in theater. Here's a pic of DR when he was just cast (before filming). No mop top. Puzzling as it is, I think the mop-top was the director's interpretation of Harry's permenantly messy hair.
IronS
post #27  on April 20, 2004 - 2:59 PM PDT  
Harry has to have bangs anyway. In the first book Aunt Petunia tried to cut it off, but Harry's bangs grew back overnight.
AFleming
post #28  on April 20, 2004 - 3:15 PM PDT  
Wow, according to the IMDb, DR made $110,000 for playing Harry in PS and $3,000,000 for CoS. Man, that's one Hell of a raise!

Another note. Towards the top, it says his height is 5'7". What the..? He's like 14! Must be one of the long lost race of the Formors.
RHorsman
post #29  on April 20, 2004 - 5:22 PM PDT  
> On April 20, 2004 - 8:54 AM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
I wondered if anyone had bothered to show JKR a copy of Kiki's Delivery Service. I knew Miyazaki didn't direct other people's stuff, but Studio Ghibli could certainly have done it as a non-Miyazaki project.

Kiki's was (loosely) based on a book by Eiko Kadono and Howl's Moving Castle is a Diana Wynne Jones novel (though in fairness that wasn't originally going to be a Miyazaki directed project).
hamano
post #30  on April 21, 2004 - 6:41 AM PDT  
Now it's time to have some fun. Here's where you get to demonstrate all that you've learned from Professor Trelawney in Divination. Make your predictions here, of things that will happen in future Harry Potter books! Will Malfoy reform and become Harry's best friend? Will Neville avenge his parents in a final duel against Bellatrix? I'm staring at the leaves swirling in my teacup, and this.... is.... what.... I.... see.....

In Book 6 Harry will figure out the real usefulness of the mirror given him by Sirius in Book 5. He will use it to get himself, Ron and Hermione out of a crisis. Snape disappears.

In Book 7 Ron will open a door and catch Harry and Ginny snogging. Deciding that he really doesn't want Harry to be his brother-in-law after all, Ron challenges him to a duel. Voldemort kills Dumbledore. Ginny ditches Harry for Neville and Ron and Harry make up. Not wanting to be a murderer, Harry transforms Voldemort into a giant goose which is then added to the menu for the Graduation Feast.

In Book 8 Harry, Ron, Seamus and Neville will form a rock band called the Wizzerds. Song after song will magically fly to the top of the Muggle charts.

In Book 20, the Wizzerds will go through a messy breakup, much to the chagrin of millions of fans all over the Muggle world. Cho Chang, who came back into Harry's life in Book 19 and married him, will widely be blamed for the group's demise. (Picture of Harry and Cho) Meanwhile, Malfoy and his rival band, The Darklords, continue to be popular well past Book 55, making generations of Slytherins proud.
jstack
post #31  on April 21, 2004 - 6:47 AM PDT  
Good morning. Although very courageous I have always had way too many Hufflepuff qualities to not have been selected to that house.

Favorite Book: Goblet of Fire
Favorite Character: Alastor Moody
Second Favorite Character: Nymphadora Tonks (mother must have been half porn actress or something)
Chosen Profession: Auror

I am also on the side that this would have made a great Anime series. However, since it is not... I like the actress who plays Hermione. Although she may not have the look that one might expect she does have that air of superiority about her, especially early on in the first movie.

The movies so far have been rather dissapointing to me. I had such high expectations after reading the first couple of books. I am hoping this will change with the next movie due to the change in directors as well as the additional of Gary Oldman to the cast.

For the upcoming movies they also need to work Peeves into the story and have Steve Buscemi play that character.

I also believe that for the upcoming movies they might want to consider scrapping most of the current cast and bring in the cast of LOTR. Throw some glasses on Elijah and let him go...
jstack
post #32  on April 21, 2004 - 6:58 AM PDT  
> On April 21, 2004 - 6:41 AM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
... Ginny ditches Harry for Neville and Ron and Harry make up. ...
>

This may actually happen. They have had a few moments in the past and both Ginny and Neville are available. Also, Neville is going to get his act together and become a formidable warrior.

I am also looking strongly at the possibility that there will be a Harry, Ron, and Luna love triangle. Cho is out of the picture and there needs to be a new love interest.

If this were Hentai there could be some possibilities with the Patil sisters and Harry...
hamano
post #33  on April 21, 2004 - 7:11 AM PDT  
> On April 21, 2004 - 6:47 AM PDT jstack wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> For the upcoming movies they also need to work Peeves into the story and have Steve Buscemi play that character.
>
> I also believe that for the upcoming movies they might want to consider scrapping most of the current cast and bring in the cast of LOTR. Throw some glasses on Elijah and let him go...
> ---------------------------------

I think Steve Buscemi should have gotten a special credit on LOTR for being the human model for the CG Gollum! They're like twins separated at birth! But I don't think he's manic enough to play Peeves. Buscemi has an "Aww poor puppy" quality to him. Peeves has to be crazy and instantly annoying, so I'd vote for Jim Carrey (shrunk down a bit with special effects) or David Spade (no shrinking necessary!).

They probably should do the filming for HP movies in New Zealand... NZ has lots of cute little Englishy villages and towns (for Hogsmeade) as well as mountains and forests.
hamano
post #34  on April 21, 2004 - 7:15 AM PDT  
> On April 21, 2004 - 6:58 AM PDT jstack wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> If this were Hentai there could be some possibilities with the Patil sisters and Harry...
> ---------------------------------

Yeah, while Nymphadora Tonks and Luna Lovegood perform on the stage!
AFleming
post #35  on April 21, 2004 - 7:17 AM PDT  
> On April 21, 2004 - 6:58 AM PDT jstack wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I am also looking strongly at the possibility that there will be a Harry, Ron, and Luna love triangle. Cho is out of the picture and there needs to be a new love interest.
>
> ---------------------------------

I think Ron and Hermione are going to hook up. JKR seems to have already laid the groundwork for this in the last couple of books (their incessant old-couple nagging, Ron's jealousy of Crum, etc). I was also thinking that JKR seemed to suggest Harry and Luna as a potential couple, though I'd have to read the last book again to quote that.



AFleming
post #36  on April 21, 2004 - 7:19 AM PDT  
> On April 21, 2004 - 7:11 AM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> They probably should do the filming for HP movies in New Zealand... NZ has lots of cute little Englishy villages and towns (for Hogsmeade) as well as mountains and forests.
> ---------------------------------

Hmmmm........ or they could just film it in ENGLAND.
jstack
post #37  on April 21, 2004 - 8:31 AM PDT  
> On April 21, 2004 - 7:11 AM PDT hamano wrote:
>
> I think Steve Buscemi should have gotten a special credit on LOTR for being the human model for the CG Gollum! They're like twins separated at birth! But I don't think he's manic enough to play Peeves. Buscemi has an "Aww poor puppy" quality to him. Peeves has to be crazy and instantly annoying, so I'd vote for Jim Carrey (shrunk down a bit with special effects) or David Spade (no shrinking necessary!).
>

it is funny you mention that, because Steve Buscemi was actually going to play Gollum prior to their decision of making him a CGI character. As much as I like Steve, I do not think any human actor could have pulled that one off.

Anyway, back to the current topic. I am also interested in the movie version of the Hagrid / Maxine relationship. That should be quite the sight. If nothing else it should provide some laughs.

Since this movie is being directed by Alfonso Cuaron I wonder if there will be any Y Tu Mama Tambien moments anywhere?

*** SPOILER QUESTION ***
As far as the books go, is Serius dead or alive in the Veil?
AFleming
post #38  on April 21, 2004 - 9:15 AM PDT  
> On April 21, 2004 - 8:31 AM PDT jstack wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> *** SPOILER QUESTION ***
> As far as the books go, is Serius dead or alive in the Veil?
> ---------------------------------

I sorta got the idea that it was a doorway to the "other side". But who knows? I really liked Sirius.
hamano
post #39  on April 21, 2004 - 11:04 AM PDT  
> On April 19, 2004 - 3:24 PM PDT IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > I'm a bit disappointed how different looking Hermione is in the films compared to the books.
> Yeah, I was hoping for buck teeth. She does have the frizzy hair, though.
> ---------------------------------

Emma Watson is just a bit too hot!
emrys
post #40  on April 21, 2004 - 11:57 AM PDT  
Hi everyone! I'm Camille, a Gryffindor. My favorite character is Remus Lupin, but I also have soft spots for Sirius and Ron. My favorite book is POA, and I'm thrilled that Alfonso Cuaron directed the movie... I cannot wait.

I agree, Emma Watson is very lovely... and she's only like 13! >__<
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