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THE QUIBBLER: The Thread that Discusses the Truth about Harry Potter (SPOILERS!)
Topic by: hamano
Posted: April 19, 2004 - 11:02 AM PDT
Last Reply: July 31, 2009 - 9:50 PM PDT

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author topic: THE QUIBBLER: The Thread that Discusses the Truth about Harry Potter (SPOILERS!)
woozy
post #141  on July 16, 2005 - 10:52 PM PDT  
>
> I went to the library today and got my copy!
>
Wasn't it awesome when we found out Snape was Harry Potter's real father and Hermione was his long lost twin sister?!

woozy
post #142  on July 16, 2005 - 10:55 PM PDT  
> On July 16, 2005 - 10:51 PM PDT IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I read the last chapter of the book.... *sob!*
>
> I know it's kind of cheating to read the last chapter first, but I really wanted to know....
> ---------------------------------

Gad!!!! Don't tell me!!!! La-la-la-la-la-la-la....

You know. I read that a surprising number of people always read the endings of books first to see if they'll like it.

That always seemed so .... weird.

IronS
post #143  on July 16, 2005 - 11:10 PM PDT  
> On July 16, 2005 - 10:55 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Gad!!!! Don't tell me!!!! La-la-la-la-la-la-la....
>

Mwahahaha!!!!

> You know. I read that a surprising number of people always read the endings of books first to see if they'll like it.
>
> That always seemed so .... weird.
>

:P and since I shouldn't reveal anything, I'll have to leave it at that
IronS
post #144  on July 16, 2005 - 11:28 PM PDT  
I do wonder how many people are reading this book today instead of enjoying the nice weather (if applicable) or watching their GC DVDs.
dpowers
post #145  on July 17, 2005 - 9:57 AM PDT  
wikipedia has the ending in it. i couldn't believe that, i was so shocked i was saying "i shouldn't be reading this" the whole time i was completely ruining the book for myself
woozy
post #146  on July 17, 2005 - 11:42 AM PDT  
> On July 17, 2005 - 9:57 AM PDT dpowers wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> wikipedia has the ending in it. i couldn't believe that, i was so shocked i was saying "i shouldn't be reading this" the whole time i was completely ruining the book for myself
> ---------------------------------

Good god. Really? I'll be sure not to look. I thought there were no advanced copies...

Hmmm, does wikipedia have a synopsis of the order of the Phoenix that I can safely view without my eyeball accidently seeing somethin I don't want it to see. I lent my copy and I'm discovering as I read Half-blood that I can't remember *anything* that happened in it.

BTW, so far, page 189, I'm liking this one much better than the last two. IMO the 4th and fifth were too jumbled and chaotic and needed an editor that no-one would dare suggest because she was so successful. This one seems far more tighter as though she has learned on her own to tell the bigger stories that she wants the later books to become.

That's only my opinion though. I have a theory that fans of anything (Harry Potter, Calvin and Hobbes, Inu Yasha, Star Trek, whatever) always think it was at its best at just the moment they discovered it but then shortly afterwards every-one else, who are johnny come latelys compared to them, jumped an the band wagon and it hasn't been as good since. So I became a little after the Prisoner of Azkaban came out and about a year and a half before the goblet of fire so, by my theory, I think...



dpowers
post #147  on July 17, 2005 - 5:15 PM PDT  
here's the order of the phoenix summary. i don't think there are spoilers for the latest book. there are tons of spoilers for order of the phoenix tho.
woozy
post #148  on July 17, 2005 - 7:58 PM PDT  
> On July 17, 2005 - 5:15 PM PDT dpowers wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> here's the order of the phoenix summary. i don't think there are spoilers for the latest book. there are tons of spoilers for order of the phoenix tho.
> ---------------------------------

Tha's fine. I read order of the phoenix. I just don't remember a damned thing about it. But reading the summary it all came back... more or less.

IronS
post #149  on July 17, 2005 - 11:29 PM PDT  
> On December 21 , 2004 - 11:25 AM PST IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince... I wonder who will die this time.
>

> On December 21, 2004 - 12:45 PM PST Bowwow wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I keep expecting it to be one of the older teachers at Hogwarts.
>

> On December 21, 2004 - 1:04 PM PST IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> In previous books, a student died and then a grownup so perhaps it's time for a professor to kick the bucket. However, he/she would have to be someone close to Harry.
>

*SOB!!! NO!!!!*
woozy
post #150  on July 18, 2005 - 12:01 AM PDT  
> *SOB!!! NO!!!!*
> ---------------------------------

Actually it's Harry himself. But he's brought to life by fusing his blood with some blood of Voldemont as a Harry/Voldemont hybrid. But the real surprise is when it's revealed that Dumbledore and Vernon Dursley are really the same person.

IronS
post #151  on July 18, 2005 - 2:20 PM PDT  
Please note that the word "SPOILERS" is in the title of this thread itself so consider yourselves forwarned.

I'm now grousing to myself about the "Obiwan Kenobi" scene in the book. Why, like "Star Wars", does the young male protagonist need to lose his father figure? Can't he come of age with his father figure around? I don't see a whole lot of killing off the mother figure for a young woman to come of age. Is it due to still needing the mother figure for help and advice in childbirth and childrearing - a dynamic that is not really present in the young man/father figure situation? Does the present of a father figure somehow prevent the young man from fully coming into his adult male status? Kind of like lions whereby the young lionessess stay with the pride but the young lions have to go find territories of their own (otherwise their father will kill them)? Is the death necessary so that Harry would leave the cocoon of Hogwarts to become a man (even though he only has a year more to go anyway)? I know the whole thing teaches Harry quite a bit and it shows the true nature of the deceased quite well. Was this the ultimate last lesson to Harry (by example in adversity)?

My bf thinks I'm overthinking this. I think I may be grumpy from lack of sleep (up too late reading that book)....
woozy
post #152  on July 18, 2005 - 4:16 PM PDT  
> On July 18, 2005 - 2:20 PM PDT IronS wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Please note that the word "SPOILERS" is in the title of this thread itself so consider yourselves forwarned.
>
Okay, I'm not reading *la-la-la-la-la*.

However, I'd like to propose for the first week or two after a movie or a book is released we put up the big spoiler warnings when we are discussing the new thing. It just seems polite when its reasonable to assumes some fans haven't gotten to it. But after a month are so, it's fair to assume all hardcore fans would have gotten to it by then.
woozy
post #153  on July 18, 2005 - 4:28 PM PDT  
** Not Really Very Much of a Spoiler **

One thing that's kind of bugging me so far about this book is that at the end of the last book Dumbledore admitted guilt at keep Harry in the dark and promised at the beginning that he'd be forthright and answer all of Harry's questions. Well, fine but so far he's been answering "we'll discuss that at some other time" and "that's not so important right now". Argh. Answering with a dismissive is just as bad.
IronS
post #154  on July 18, 2005 - 8:27 PM PDT  
> On July 18, 2005 - 4:16 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> However, I'd like to propose for the first week or two after a movie or a book is released we put up the big spoiler warnings when we are discussing the new thing.
> ---------------------------------

Hey, I didn't even mention who died and how. :P

Of course, one can assume a spoiler warning in a thread that had the word "Spoiler" in it. double :P

Still, I will try not to mention anything too specific without "Spoiler" on the posting, okay? (yet another :P to you)
jross3
post #155  on July 19, 2005 - 3:34 AM PDT  
At last, I am done, and have a very justified use for my spoiler protection.

First of all, GRRRRR!! and Arrrgh!! And I have a string of obcenities at the ready for anyone who will listen!

No, I was not pleased with the end. Not pleased at all.
It's a very good direction to go with the story, but I don't have to like it.

(XXX-Grade Spolers to follow - you've been warned again!)

They kill Dumbledore and just when Harry seems to find true love - BAM! it's too dangerous for her, so he has to leave her. And by now everyone else is paired off (even Neville and Luna, methinks!), so what's poor Harry gonna do? Will Ginny really wait for him to finish his task? (of course, it's a book... so yes. probably.)
Not to forget that Snape is an evil, mudering bastard! But I, like IronS, am prone to overthink these things, so I must still think that Snape is a good guy in the end.... Killing Dumbledore under his own orders, yes? Likely indeed [he said with all the sarcasm he could muster]. But it's possible that that's what Snape was arguing with him about that one night, where Snape had already agreed to do something he threatened not to go through with (but at the same time, it could be that Dumbledore had ordered him to take the Unbreakable Vow (to protect Snape's position and therefore all their intelligence-gathering network...?) and Snape was threatening to refuse to break it, which would cause him to die...). It could also explain why Dumbledore pleaded with Snape before snape killed him ("You have to! It's vitally important for reasons that will not be revealed yet!")
Snape also seemed to show some hesitence and regret while facing off with Potter diring his escape. "No!" and "Don't!" and whatever he said, and his strictly defensive strategy.
I'd like to think Snape was a good guy. I really would.
Reasons for doubt, I'm sure, are more obvious than my reasons for hope.
And what do you suppose came of Snape revealing himself as the Half-Blood Prince? It seemed awfully odd for him to declare something like that at soch a time. Snape wasn't usually so boastful. I can only guess that it will work into the next - and last - book somehow, but if not it'll just drop out of my mind... (but it seems like, just maybe, he wanted Harry to know for some reason?)
And what's to happen now, I wonder? The fate of Hogwarts is uncertain, but will surely be revealed early in the next book - but if Harry really doesn't plan to attend, this next will surely be quite a departure from the rest of the series. But with no home of his own (excepting the former Phoenix headquarters), Hogwarts would probably be the best location from which to base his search - and he will have the resources of the school, as well (from the teachers, now all trustworthy (one would hope) and from the ever-useful library).
And I just have a feeling that Dumbledore left everything he had to Harry. (who else?) And with the entirely likely condition (or request) that he attends his last year at Hogwarts. It would seem too likely indeed...


Now, on the subject of "other books".... any theories? I suppose it would greatly depend on the sort of story/ending we find in Book 7....
dpowers
post #156  on July 19, 2005 - 9:45 AM PDT  
in the end harry and valdemort will join and become valpodemorter-the-hairy, a magical furry carp whose life and breath are one and the same with the existence of all creation. as it passes into complete union with everything, muggles will regain their long suppressed powers and wizards will be zapped to moonbase zelt by decree of the burundi interim parliament which is in fact the ancient cult of mug-e-el, the secret tribe of survivors of the original "muggles" who arrived from space and were turned to humanoids in a brilliant instantaneous end to the war of a million years between them and the blessed giraffe.
jross3
post #157  on July 19, 2005 - 12:30 PM PDT  
Now, is this sufficient warning for a spoiler?
I don't want to spoil the book for anyonw, because I really enjoyed it.

BTW, so far I think this the best book in the series.
woozy
post #158  on July 19, 2005 - 12:44 PM PDT  
> Hey, I didn't even mention who died and how. :P
>

I didn't read your post because you implied I should note the spoiler warning. So I did in relation to your post.

I'm not going to read jross's either. (I'm on page 485 btw. Hope to finish today or tomorrow)

> Of course, one can assume a spoiler warning in a thread that had the word "Spoiler" in it. double :P
>
Well, .... yes.... but ....... For the most part we are talking about the Harry Potter experience in whole and assuming we are all fans who have read all the books and seen the movies and for the most part are saying things we assume are familiar to all fans. But right now, we are at one of the few moments when we can't assume all fans have read the latest book. I don't think we should reasonably expect fans who haven't finished the book yet to not look at this site to discuss book sales, parties, or general discussion for fear of a spoiler. Just for the next week or two it'd be polite to put extra spoilers for past that go into detail about the sixth book. That's all I'm saying.


> Still, I will try not to mention anything too specific without "Spoiler" on the posting, okay? (yet another :P to you)
> ---------------------------------

Why the :P's? I'm not chastising you. The first line of your post implied you'd have a spoiler so I didn't read it! I appreciate that!

No-one *has* to put up a double spoiler and if I read a post that on the first line says "Voldemort and Vernon Dursley are the same person" with no spoiler warning, it *is* my own fault because the thread itself has a spoiler warning but why don't we *try* to be careful as well. It'd be the polite thing to do.

IronS
post #159  on July 19, 2005 - 1:16 PM PDT  
> On July 19, 2005 - 12:30 PM PDT jross3 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Now, is this sufficient warning for a spoiler?
> I don't want to spoil the book for anyonw, because I really enjoyed it.
>

I like it! Does it come in different colors? :)

As for you, woozy, my numerous :P are due to, well, your referring to me as "weird" in a previous posting and because it's just fun to do so to you. So there. :P

Also, even though I did refer to the "Spoilers" warning, I also didn't reveal that much; it was mostly my grousing about one scene (which we all knew took place at some point anyway).
woozy
post #160  on July 19, 2005 - 1:23 PM PDT  
> As for you, woozy, my numerous :P are due to, well, your referring to me as "weird" in a previous posting and because it's just fun to do so to you. So there. :P
>
When did I call you weird?

> Also, even though I did refer to the "Spoilers" warning, I also didn't reveal that much; it was mostly my grousing about one scene (which we all knew took place at some point anyway).
> ---------------------------------

I appreciate your reference to the spoiler. It warned me and I stopped reading.

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