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What are you watching?
Topic by: sinisterguffaw
Posted: July 30, 2004 - 2:52 PM PDT
Last Reply: January 13, 2005 - 3:42 PM PST

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author topic: What are you watching?
KPman1
post #41  on September 17, 2004 - 2:42 PM PDT  
The opening rap may be average but it's still pretty cool that someone finally mixed hip hop and anime. There are plenty of shows with worse music: Niea_7 (horrible singing), Bubblegum Crisis (god awful pop that makes Brittany Spears seem talented), and Interstella 5555 (Daft Punk is so fruity and annoying.)

Samurai Champloo is a stellar production and easily distances bland anime like Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex aka Ghost in the Shell for Dummies.
Catullus
post #42  on September 17, 2004 - 2:44 PM PDT  
Samurai Champloo is hardly the first anime to use rap, hell its not even the first f*cking samurai show to do it.

PMK has it well beaten, and PMK's rap as not good as it is, isn't so good.

For rap I do like Tenjou Tenge op and Ikkitousen op come to mind.
Catullus
post #43  on September 17, 2004 - 2:47 PM PDT  
best rap song in an anime is in Gantz though.
hamano
post #44  on September 17, 2004 - 3:18 PM PDT  
> On September 17, 2004 - 2:18 PM PDT Catullus wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Samurai Champloo is not as good as you would make it out to be and I can't believe you like the opening rap... its HORRIBLE.

Well, as I said, the story is just average I think and it's saved just by the funky humor and Fuu's cuteness. But I'm enjoying the stylishness of the graphics... that's just fun to watch. So I gave the show an extra *.

> Oh and its licensed too, you bad licensed fansub downloader!

Oops... I be spanked.

> i sound like a hypocrite, but its a good thing that im joking, except about the rap, id rather go deaf than listen to it.

You, know, that's exactly what I thought at first. So Episode One I just cut the OP sequence off in the middle. Ep. 2 to 4 I just skipped the OP sequence. Then I wanted to see the animation for the OP sequence so I sat through it. I like the graphics very much. So I started sitting through it. The rap's really BAD but as I said, it has an odd way of growing on you. First it was impossible to sit through, but now it's sorta good bad, or bad good.

But I'm not gonna rip it and put it on a CD and play it while I'm driving like the OP/ED songs from Initial D.... wait, that's hip hop? techno? What the hell do you kids call these things?
KPman1
post #45  on September 17, 2004 - 3:20 PM PDT  
The Samurai Champloo opening rap would be a lot cooler with some more rhythm and maybe a more distinctive rapper like Chali, the rapper with the deep voice from Jurrasic 5.

Are any of the shows you mentioned tbat mix hip hop and anime any good? Are they all recent? (By recent I mean last couple of years, because I like anime but I am no fanboy...not yet at least.)
Catullus
post #46  on September 17, 2004 - 4:00 PM PDT  
> On September 17, 2004 - 3:20 PM PDT KPman1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> The Samurai Champloo opening rap would be a lot cooler with some more rhythm and maybe a more distinctive rapper like Chali, the rapper with the deep voice from Jurrasic 5.
>
> Are any of the shows you mentioned tbat mix hip hop and anime any good? Are they all recent? (By recent I mean last couple of years, because I like anime but I am no fanboy...not yet at least.)
> ---------------------------------

they are all recent, the only one I consider to be good is Gantz

Peace Maker Kurogane - yaoi samurai non-action/boring, main character is stupid and annoying much like ED from FMA
Ikkitousen - Nlee would give it A+, Id give it an C+, ending was copletely stupid, but lots of great perverted shots, high quality animation
Tenjou Tenge - Like Ikkitousen, far worse animation and less perverted (slightly) but slightly better story.
Catullus
post #47  on September 17, 2004 - 4:01 PM PDT  
as for gantz its been discussed already here
hamano
post #48  on September 17, 2004 - 6:14 PM PDT  
GANTZ is kinda like a video game that you can just watch, not play. Interesting, but the story really doesn't go anywhere. Kinda like watching the Hellraiser movies.
Catullus
post #49  on September 17, 2004 - 6:23 PM PDT  
> On September 17, 2004 - 6:14 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> GANTZ is kinda like a video game that you can just watch, not play. Interesting, but the story really doesn't go anywhere. Kinda like watching the Hellraiser movies.
> ---------------------------------

how do you know the story doesn't go anywhere? its not over matter of fact the 2nd part is airing right now.
KPman1
post #50  on September 17, 2004 - 6:32 PM PDT  
Hellraiser terrified me for years, whereas recent horror "classics" like Ringu, the Ring, and Blair Witch Project remind me that I once had problems with ADD.

I guess I'll have to check Gantz out for myself along with Madlax, Phantom the Animation, Gunslinger Girl, Full Metal Alchemist, Gungrave, and Paranoia Agent...There's a pay phone across the street. I can always get another cell phone. Damn my slow ass modem!

hamano
post #51  on September 17, 2004 - 6:36 PM PDT  
> On September 17, 2004 - 6:32 PM PDT KPman1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I guess I'll have to check Gantz out for myself along with Madlax, Phantom the Animation, Gunslinger Girl, Full Metal Alchemist, Gungrave, and Paranoia Agent...There's a pay phone across the street. I can always get another cell phone. Damn my slow ass modem!

Just get Gunslinger Girl and Full Metal Alchemist. Oh, someone said they like Paranoia Agent... was it Shaky? You can start renting Gungrave from GreenCine now... DVD Vol. 1 is out.
Catullus
post #52  on September 17, 2004 - 6:42 PM PDT  
> On September 17, 2004 - 6:36 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On September 17, 2004 - 6:32 PM PDT KPman1 wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I guess I'll have to check Gantz out for myself along with Madlax, Phantom the Animation, Gunslinger Girl, Full Metal Alchemist, Gungrave, and Paranoia Agent...There's a pay phone across the street. I can always get another cell phone. Damn my slow ass modem!
>
> Just get Gunslinger Girl and Full Metal Alchemist. Oh, someone said they like Paranoia Agent... was it Shaky? You can start renting Gungrave from GreenCine now... DVD Vol. 1 is out.
> ---------------------------------

Id say get Paranoia Agent, Gantz and Gungrave in that order forget all that other stuff except maybe phantom the animation which I haven't seen so can't comment on.
RParson
post #53  on September 17, 2004 - 7:30 PM PDT  
I've downloaded the four episodes of Macross Zero that have been released so far, but have only watched two. As someone mentioned here in a previous message, it's a beautiful peice of work. I'm having a hard time getting into the story, though. This is despite the fact I'm generally familiar with the Macross storyline.

Robert
hamano
post #54  on September 17, 2004 - 11:09 PM PDT  
> On September 17, 2004 - 7:30 PM PDT RParson wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I've downloaded the four episodes of Macross Zero that have been released so far, but have only watched two. As someone mentioned here in a previous message, it's a beautiful peice of work. I'm having a hard time getting into the story, though. This is despite the fact I'm generally familiar with the Macross storyline.

OK, I've downloaded it too. That first dogfight is some piece of work!! Truly amazing.

What do you mean by "having a hard time getting into the story?" Do you mean it's confusing, or do you mean you get it but you're not impressed?

It looks pretty straightforward to me... typical Macross blend of action, war, romance, music... now with some Arjuna-ish ecological message thrown in (did you catch that cameo appearance?). The tropical setting does keep flashing me back to RahXephon... and the whole lost culture theme... Maybe this is RahXephon crossed with Neo Ranga?

That dogfight animation, though.... amazing. (The later battle around the carrier fleet looked like it was pulled from a video game, though...)
Catullus
post #55  on September 17, 2004 - 11:37 PM PDT  
> On September 17, 2004 - 11:09 PM PDT hamano wrote:

> That dogfight animation, though.... amazing. (The later battle around the carrier fleet looked like it was pulled from a video game, though...)
> ---------------------------------

if the battle looked like this then thats pretty impressive.

BTW that game is going to rock so hard :)
RParson
post #56  on September 18, 2004 - 5:29 AM PDT  
> On September 17, 2004 - 11:09 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> What do you mean by "having a hard time getting into the story?" Do you mean it's confusing, or do you mean you get it but you're not impressed?

I'm just not too terribly impressed. It doesn't peak my interest like the original Macross saga did (all these years later, "Bye Bye Mars" remains one of my all-time favorite episodes of any tv show). It could be the lengthy intervals between episodes that's causing my interest to flag. Maybe when I can sit down and watch all five episodes in a fairly short period of time I'll be able to change my mind.

Here's a good place for english speaking Macross fans to hang out at: Macrossworld Forums

And if you haven't checked it out yet, here's the Official Macross Zero Website, which is in Japanese and heavily into flash animation.

Robert
KPman1
post #57  on September 18, 2004 - 12:14 PM PDT  
Maybe romantic storylines, dramatic love triangles and clashes between ancient and modern cultures aren't your thing just like anything to do with the Gundam isn't mine.

Cattulus, as an expert on sitting on a couch and watching things, I have to say, the animation in MZ blows away that picture of yours.
KPman1
post #58  on September 18, 2004 - 1:45 PM PDT  
> On September 17, 2004 - 2:47 PM PDT Catullus wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> best rap song in an anime is in Gantz though.
> ---------------------------------

I just listened to the Gantz song. It's definately not hip hop. It sounds a cross between jungle, funk, and Japanese pop. As for whether it's still rap, I have my doubts. There are English lyrics and none of them rhyme. The vocals sound more like tbey came from Parliament or Jamiroquai than any rapper I've ever heard (except maybe Shabba Ranks.)

Anyway, I like the freestyle, old school sound of Battle Cry better.
Catullus
post #59  on September 18, 2004 - 1:51 PM PDT  
> On September 18, 2004 - 1:45 PM PDT KPman1 wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On September 17, 2004 - 2:47 PM PDT Catullus wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > best rap song in an anime is in Gantz though.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> I just listened to the Gantz song. It's definately not hip hop. It sounds a cross between jungle, funk, and Japanese pop. As for whether it's still rap, I have my doubts. There are English lyrics and none of them rhyme. The vocals sound more like tbey came from Parliament or Jamiroquai than any rapper I've ever heard (except maybe Shabba Ranks.)
>
> Anyway, I like the freestyle, old school sound of Battle Cry better.
> ---------------------------------

lol the guy is rappping but its got kind of a reggae-ish edge to it. Anyway yes most Japanese rap mixes english with japanese, good luck finding a rap that doesnt.

As for rhyming since when the hell did rap have to rhyme? my brother who listens to TONS of rap would strongly disagree with you there, rap doesn't have to rhyme, it has to flow though.
KPman1
post #60  on September 18, 2004 - 2:04 PM PDT  
> On September 18, 2004 - 1:51 PM PDT Catullus wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> As for rhyming since when the hell did rap have to rhyme? my brother who listens to TONS of rap would strongly disagree with you there, rap doesn't have to rhyme, it has to flow though.
> ---------------------------------

Rap isn't the only type of vocals to flow. Funk does, and I've never heard George Clinton described as a rapper. Reggae does and Peter Tosh shouldn't be called a rapper either. Gwen Steffani flows too as does Michael Stipes in the song End of the World and again that's not rap.

People associate rap with drum machines, but the beat on Gantz' song isn't hip hop. It's jungle.
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