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Star Wreck - In the Pirkinning
Topic by: Cugat
Posted: October 2, 2005 - 4:02 AM PDT
Last Reply: October 7, 2005 - 1:38 PM PDT

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woozy
post #41  on October 3, 2005 - 10:34 AM PDT  
> If its not a Microsoft trackball, you can say its a concession to versatile computing instead. :-)
>
So why can't Apple see it as versatile computing rather than stubbornly seeing it as a consession to Microsoft. It's the one and only thing all Mac users grudingly concede to PC users.


> Most net users, even the modern dialup user, have significantly less upload speed than download speed.
>
> Torrent deals with that pretty well, if things aren't great, it takes a while to download, which gives you plenty of time to upload. Not an artificial limit.
> ---------------------------------

So what I'm hearing is it's pretty much okay to stop seeding once you get the file ettiquette-wise. If you like something that's kinda rare or you want to "share the wealth" you should keep seeding for a while. I'll keep seeding Star Wreck for a day or two.

pooja
post #42  on October 3, 2005 - 10:44 AM PDT  
> On October 3, 2005 - 10:26 AM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> No-one has used my Star Wreck seed although I've had it for over twelve hours and it's totally legit. I guess I'll take poojas advice. If no one *needs* it...

Hmm... I just restarted the Star Wreck torrent and instantly a couple of peers started downloading it... since we got the .torrent file from the same source (I'm assuming cugat's link above) we should be using the same tracker. So if noone is able to download from you I think there's some kind of problem, which might lead to trouble down the line.... ooh I'm up to 5 or 6 peers now!

Well, I'll leave it to you and cugat to troubleshoot, and to talk about boobies... ta ta!
:-)
woozy
post #43  on October 3, 2005 - 10:50 AM PDT  
So if noone is able to download from you I think there's some kind of problem,

Maybe. But my first episode of lost got 7% seeding. And second got 23%.

> ..and to talk about boobies... ta ta!
> :-)
> ---------------------------------

Don't you mean "ta-ta's" (Like, I'm ever going to have the ability to resist a straight line...)

You keep saying I'm the boobie one, but you are the one who keeps pointing them out to me.

As I said, I'm not really that boobie obsessed. It's just that when the topic comes up I'm so *earnestly* grateful.

pooja
post #44  on October 3, 2005 - 10:50 AM PDT  
> On October 3, 2005 - 10:22 AM PDT Cugat wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > Anyways, my one concession to Redmond was investing in a trackball with 4 programmable buttons AND a scroll wheel. It can't do button chording like my old Kensington trackball, but it's pretty handy and I don't need a big area on my desk for dragging a mouse around.
>
> If its not a Microsoft trackball, you can say its a concession to versatile computing instead. :-)

Ooops, missed your post, cugie... sorry. And I meant what I said. I'm using a MS Intellipoint Optical Trackball. Thanks to me Bill Gates is a few cents richer.

Ta ta! End of lunch break....
pooja
post #45  on October 3, 2005 - 11:07 AM PDT  
I hate it when I can't get back to work because someone sends me a private mail expecting a reply without cleaning out their own mailbox first so that a reply could be received, don't you?
:-[
Cugat
post #46  on October 3, 2005 - 11:25 AM PDT  
On October 3, 2005 - 10:26 AM PDT woozy wrote:
> On October 3, 2005 - 6:28 AM PDT pooja wrote:
> > woozy:
> > You need to get a dishwasher with one button that says "PLAY" if you want to listen to CDs. Otherwise you'll just get clean CDs.

Agreed.

> My point being that either a dishwasher needs to be a one button "just clean the dishes" that never goes wrong and only does one thing and only gives "dishes done/dishes done" output,

Yeah, thats what they try to sell in commercials. You shout "engage" and all the dirty dishes spread around your house disappear in a sparkly light and reappear 3 minutes later neatly stacked in your cupboards.

> but if the dishwasher allows one to control things such as water pressure or temp and gives output pertaining ot water pressure or temp, the manufacturers should make an effort to research whether the average user understands roughly how a dishwasher works (hot water goes in, rushes around the dishes cleaning the dishes, is pumped out, unit is heated to dry dishes) and to provide adequate documentation.

Better yet, it could just come with reasonable defaults, you can push on, ignore all the knobby bits unless you're bored, and stop complaining already. :-)

> Now, I admit I get pissed when folks want me to help them with their computers when they make know effort to understand the basics, so I feel my bitching "huh, what the heck is a 'torrent'?" seems hypocritical. *EXCEPT* that when I have a problem (which I only had one at the beginning) or I don't understand the menu or application I feel I *need* to know what the heck a 'torrent' to understand the menu or application.

Hey, I tried to aim you towards a very simple/easy push-button-and-go client, moreover one I could actually walk you through.


> I didn't say I didn't want to share. I just said I wanted to know what was going on. And if I get an error message from bittorrent saying "You can't download because you are behind a firewall" I want to know ... well, wouldn't that give *you* some pause?

With the original nagware client as an arm of a budding company, I'd pause ALOT.

With a sane opensource networking app with serving ability I would expect the need for an opened port, and serve it up without much pause.

> It didn't occur to me bit torrent would be *slower*. Actually, I guess if the whole point is scattered file sharing and not big ol' servers with "expensive" storage and bandwidth issue than bit torrent makes a lot of sense. I just never really thought much about it as I don't swap a bunch of media or huge files so the issues never arose.
>
> So I'm mostly a parasite, but that's why they call us leeches, right? I think I'm off the hook if I give as much as I can.

You're only a leech if you throttle back your upload to a silly point. That label on torrent sites for non-seed peers is very misguided and probably indicates their designers were used to older more leech friendly protocols.

> Well, if no-one wants to take, it's not my fault.

Last I saw, Star Wreck was a very lively torrent, and will be for at least the next week, prolly going to last a month at least.

> Um, let's talk copyright infringement (to be blunt) for a second shall we? For personal reasons, (not moral or legal; personal) I've been trying to kick the habit and lead a clean life lately but ... oh, well. Now, off the bat, let me point out that I'd never have a problem with someone who enjoyed casual drug use but didn't want to deal. I wouldn't call that person a hypocrate. I wouldn't call that person a leech. Likewise, if my tv breaks down for three weeks and I can't watch "Lost", then I don't feel ABC or its advertisers are really losing anything by my downloading the first two episodes and catching up. In fact, if I *didn't* I'd be inclined to give up watching forever so I'm actually coming up with a solution that I'll *keep* watching them. Okay, so it's illegal but I can live with it a bit... but how long am I obliged am I to be a visible seed of this contraband? Is it *really* hypocritical of me to get nervous and deseed immediately.
>
> (Oh, and you do know that woozy is an entirely fictional persona and every thing he says he is or done *is* purely imaginary don't you.)

I encourage seeding for as long as it takes to stop seeding in regards to that stuff.


Actually, I'd cheer you on if you chose to kick the boob-tube habit for good. Yes, I said boob, heh he, heheh heheh heh he.

> As an utter new-comer I need to find these torrent sites. The one I seem to have found has files with seeders in the single digits and ... um, maybe, if I'm on the clean side of average on the whole copyright issue, maybe I stumbled onto a torrent site that *isn't* for me.

Just google about for torrents and trackers and such.

Depends on what you want that might actually be legal.

On October 3, 2005 - 10:50 AM PDT pooja wrote:
> On October 3, 2005 - 10:22 AM PDT Cugat wrote:
> > If its not a Microsoft trackball, you can say its a concession to versatile computing instead. :-)
>
> Ooops, missed your post, cugie... sorry. And I meant what I said. I'm using a MS Intellipoint Optical Trackball. Thanks to me Bill Gates is a few cents richer.

Just no avoiding the Microsoft tax..

> I hate it when I can't get back to work because someone sends me a private mail expecting a reply without cleaning out their own mailbox first so that a reply could be received, don't you?
> :-[

Unless my mailbox here is limited to one message, I actually wouldn't know.
woozy
post #47  on October 3, 2005 - 11:58 AM PDT  
> On October 3, 2005 - 11:07 AM PDT pooja wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I hate it when I can't get back to work because someone sends me a private mail expecting a reply without cleaning out their own mailbox first so that a reply could be received, don't you?
> :-[
> ---------------------------------

Only had that happen once and she was very nice about it. Part of the problem is one never can tell when ones mail box is full. Unfortunately we have so rather rather good writers here on GC so I'm fond of deleting my gems. But I'll delete a few.

"Hate" such a strong word. I'd use "irritated by".

woozy
post #48  on October 3, 2005 - 12:34 PM PDT  
>
> > My point being that either a dishwasher needs to be a one button "just clean the dishes" that never goes wrong and only does one thing and only gives "dishes done/dishes done" output,
>

Thats what the sell you but never deliver. And I usually hate those.

> Yeah, thats what they try to sell in commercials. You shout "engage" and all the dirty dishes spread around your house disappear in a sparkly light and reappear 3 minutes later neatly stacked in your cupboards.
>
See, for me at least, I'd rather they assume I have to know that dishes have to be loaded, that there is water involved, that I know grime takes more force and china needs less agitation. Then when I'm putting in a big ceramic salad bowl and I don't know whether to press "scour pots" or "china" I'll have a clue what they're talking about. But mainly I'd like a manual over ride so it can be extra hot (oil needs hot water) and normal preasure and short cycle because that is how *I* like my ceramic salad bowls washed.


> Better yet, it could just come with reasonable defaults, you can push on, ignore all the knobby bits unless you're bored, and stop complaining already. :-)
>
Well, that was my point. How can I figure out if bit torrent is working if I don't know what it *does*?

> Hey, I tried to aim you towards a very simple/easy push-button-and-go client, moreover one I could actually walk you through.
>
See. I don't like being told what product to buy with a "trust me". By a BMW my brother in law says its the car for you. Why, I ask. It's got german engineering and handles and accelerates best. What's german engineering do and why should I want hanling and acceleration. Is it fuel efficient? Well, no, my brother in law says, it can't be fuel efficient because it has a big engine. If I want fuel efficiency than why do I want a big engine. Mopeds are fuel efficient, why don't I put a moped in a BMW engine. *Brother in law looks at me as though that is the stupidest thing he ever heard* Hypothetically, I say, I have a six or seven factors and I need to know what one will cost to the other and *why* and how to estimate, other wise I'll never be able to decide. So if I want the fuel efficiency of a moped and the control and handling of a mack truck, and the smoothness of rolles-royce I need to *ask* why can't a put a moped engine in mack trucks transmission in a rolles-royce body even though I *know* it is a stupid question.

So I don't like willy nilly downloading and replacing software and so I like to know what it does before I download it. Now, that I understand bittorrent in general better, thanks to you. I'll try bit tornado.


>
> With a sane opensource networking app with serving ability I would expect the need for an opened port, and serve it up without much pause.
>
Not if it was a stand alone game. If it needs an open port I'd like to know why and if it's 11:30 at night and I'm just downloading a silly movie and a pirated tv show from someone I don't know[1], I'd be inclined to just stop the whole thing.

If I don't know how it works then I don't know that it needs an open port to upload, if I don't know what role the server plays, what role my client software plays, what role my network configuration plays, what role the files themselves play, what roles the other peoples computers play, well, caution first... no?

[1]Now before you say the source of what I'm down-loading can't possibly tell the client what to do, keep in mind as a novice I have no idea what bit torrent does. I sort of thought part of its idea was to open the files from different sources during download so I didn't know whether the client also in someway played executable files. Another reason why I think people need to understand what email does before they blithely open attachements or before they call me in panic that they got mail from someone they don't know and are afraid to delete it.

> Last I saw, Star Wreck was a very lively torrent, and will be for at least the next week, prolly going to last a month at least.
>

Actually my client shows an "upload ratio" which maybe/probably means my torrent accounts for 0% of the traffic which would make sense. My copy of lost which when I downloaded it had three seeders and 4 leeches has a ration of 23% and considering that this is just *this* particular file on an obscure sight could be about right.

>> Actually, I'd cheer you on if you chose to kick the boob-tube habit for good. Yes, I said boob, heh he, heheh heheh heh he.

I try a few new shows each year but my goal is to watch as little as possible. I get addicted to linear narrative so if I start watching a show I feel obligued to *always* watch it so I consciously choose which shows. Right now it's only Lost (which isn't terrific), things on DVD, and late night reruns.
>
pooja
post #49  on October 3, 2005 - 12:38 PM PDT  
> On October 3, 2005 - 11:58 AM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Unfortunately we have so rather rather good writers here on GC so I'm fond of deleting my gems. But I'll delete a few.

You could always copy them and paste them into a wordprocessing document if you want to keep them...

> "Hate" such a strong word. I'd use "irritated by".

Well, you're certainly one to lecture others on that subject, aren't ya?
I say "Fair's fair's fair," Mr. Grouchy!
;-)
pooja
post #50  on October 3, 2005 - 12:43 PM PDT  
> On October 3, 2005 - 12:34 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Thats what the sell you but never deliver. And I usually hate those.

Ahem... "Hate" such a strong word. I'd use "irritated by".

Right back atcha, Mister High&Mighty!
:-p
woozy
post #51  on October 3, 2005 - 12:47 PM PDT  
> Well, you're certainly one to lecture others on that subject, aren't ya?
> I say "Fair's fair's fair," Mr. Grouchy!
> ;-)
> ---------------------------------

touche

but ... that was sports .... recieving mail from someone with a full mail box is ... not common enough to warrant "hate".

Dang, you're smart. You are *almost* as nifty as IronS, herself. Speaking of which, is she back yet?

woozy
post #52  on October 3, 2005 - 12:48 PM PDT  
> On October 3, 2005 - 12:43 PM PDT pooja wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On October 3, 2005 - 12:34 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Thats what the sell you but never deliver. And I usually hate those.
>
> Ahem... "Hate" such a strong word. I'd use "irritated by".
>
> Right back atcha, Mister High&Mighty!
> :-p
> ---------------------------------

Oh, now there I'm talking about something that one uses so frequently and so often that they *are* a significant part of ones life!

pooja
post #53  on October 3, 2005 - 12:58 PM PDT  
I'm just saying, you asked for help, I tried to comply, and now you're tut tutting me... maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I'm just not getting that friendly, appreciative vibe from you...

Hmm... maybe you're a man of a contrarian nature, and you'll thank me if I treat you poorly... judging from your exchanges with SonjaBlue, Shiori and the aforementioned hard S'ed one, maybe I'm on to something...

You're right about IronS, though. She hasn't been around the past week or so. I hope she's not sick or something...
Cugat
post #54  on October 3, 2005 - 1:12 PM PDT  
> On October 3, 2005 - 12:34 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> > > My point being that either a dishwasher needs to be a one button "just clean the dishes" that never goes wrong and only does one thing and only gives "dishes done/dishes done" output,
>
> Thats what the sell you but never deliver. And I usually hate those.

Wooz, you're replying to yourself there.

> > Better yet, it could just come with reasonable defaults, you can push on, ignore all the knobby bits unless you're bored, and stop complaining already. :-)
>
> Well, that was my point. How can I figure out if bit torrent is working if I don't know what it *does*?

The main feature is that it downloads, the client I suggested and repeatedly referred to offers a download speed indicator. The download speed indicator goes up as the download speed increases. If you want to be downloading I suggest you look at that speed indicator to determine if you are.

Anything weird happening with the commercial nagware client is up to you to deal with, I'm fed up with it.

> > Hey, I tried to aim you towards a very simple/easy push-button-and-go client, moreover one I could actually walk you through.
>
> See. I don't like being told what product to buy with a "trust me".

Its free, and I don't recall ever saying I was trustworthy.

However you seem to be implying that the original client is trustworthy because it nags you and is now owned by a commercial entity and apparently isn't showing you what you need to know, on top of doing stupid things like stopping transfers to ask you stuff.

I'm not saying I'm making any sense either.

...
> So I don't like willy nilly downloading and replacing software and so I like to know what it does before I download it. Now, that I understand bittorrent in general better, thanks to you. I'll try bit tornado.

/me lets out a ridiculously long sigh of relief and pulls the tall double barreled bottle of asprin out of his mouth.

> > With a sane opensource networking app with serving ability I would expect the need for an opened port, and serve it up without much pause.
>
> Not if it was a stand alone game.

Indeed, if it has no business being on the network it has no business wanting or complaining that it needs an open port.

> If I don't know how it works then I don't know that it needs an open port to upload, if I don't know what role the server plays, what role my client software plays, what role my network configuration plays, what role the files themselves play, what roles the other peoples computers play, well, caution first... no?

Sensible.

Really, the other computers generally run similar stuff and do similar things to the same effect.

> [1]Now before you say the source of what I'm down-loading can't possibly tell the client what to do, keep in mind as a novice I have no idea what bit torrent does. I sort of thought part of its idea was to open the files from different sources during download so I didn't know whether the client also in someway played executable files.

I would have taken that asprin a while ago if it acted that way.

> Another reason why I think people need to understand what email does before they blithely open attachements or before they call me in panic that they got mail from someone they don't know and are afraid to delete it.

Opening attachments is fine, as long as they aren't random .EXEs or some other embarrasing Microsoft .gapingsecurityhole file.

> > Last I saw, Star Wreck was a very lively torrent, and will be for at least the next week, prolly going to last a month at least.
>
> Actually my client shows an "upload ratio" which maybe/probably means my torrent accounts for 0% of the traffic which would make sense. My copy of lost which when I downloaded it had three seeders and 4 leeches has a ration of 23% and considering that this is just *this* particular file on an obscure sight could be about right.

Upload ratio is simply uploaded data divided by downloaded data. 1 means you've given what you've taken, 0.15 means you've not been able to keep your end of the bargan up, 5 means you've done the torrent a praiseworthy service.

> >> Actually, I'd cheer you on if you chose to kick the boob-tube habit for good. Yes, I said boob, heh he, heheh heheh heh he.
>
> I try a few new shows each year but my goal is to watch as little as possible. I get addicted to linear narrative so if I start watching a show I feel obligued to *always* watch it so I consciously choose which shows. Right now it's only Lost (which isn't terrific), things on DVD, and late night reruns.

Viva, things on DVD!


On October 3, 2005 - 12:38 PM PDT pooja wrote:
> On October 3, 2005 - 11:58 AM PDT woozy wrote:
> > Unfortunately we have so rather rather good writers here on GC so I'm fond of deleting my gems. But I'll delete a few.
>
> You could always copy them and paste them into a wordprocessing document if you want to keep them...

A straight text file would be pretty good too.
woozy
post #55  on October 3, 2005 - 4:25 PM PDT  
> On October 3, 2005 - 12:58 PM PDT pooja wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I'm just saying, you asked for help, I tried to comply, and now you're tut tutting me... maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I'm just not getting that friendly, appreciative vibe from you...
>
You aren't???

I do not understand this vibe at all! I am unbelievably grateful and appreciative and extremely friendly! If I could find the on/off switch to turn the vibe on, I would!

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I appreciate it.


> Hmm... maybe you're a man of a contrarian nature, and you'll thank me if I treat you poorly... judging from your exchanges with SonjaBlue, Shiori and the aforementioned hard S'ed one, maybe I'm on to something...


I'll apologize if I think I did something to upset you. Otherwise I'll behave in a manner I consider nice. I'm utterly astounded when others think I'm not being nice. Thank you for all your help on this.



>
> You're right about IronS, though. She hasn't been around the past week or so. I hope she's not sick or something...
> ---------------------------------

She was out of town for a while. She ought to be back by now though.

pooja
post #56  on October 3, 2005 - 4:31 PM PDT  
Don't sweat it, woozy! I'm just kiddin' ya!

So did you get my private mail message? Time to get some singin' and dancin' Indian style, right? You'll love it... It'll restore your faith that pure entertainment still exists on this planet!
woozy
post #57  on October 3, 2005 - 5:00 PM PDT  
> > See. I don't like being told what product to buy with a "trust me".
>
> Its free, and I don't recall ever saying I was trustworthy.
>
> However you seem to be implying that the original client is trustworthy because it nags you and is now owned by a commercial entity and apparently isn't showing you what you need to know, on top of doing stupid things like stopping transfers to ask you stuff.
>

No, I'm not saying the original client is trustworthy. See, I don't like downloading software willy-nilly especially if I don't know what they do.

Here's a thought experiment: Suppose you are a human being and I am a martian.

You: "what stereo do you have?"
Me: "I don't have one."
You: "Oh, you've got to get one it's incrediably relaxing. Get a stereo and put in a CD and its so relaxing."
Me: thinking to self-- well I am tense. And I'd like to relax.
Me: to store clerk I'd like a basic stereo and a basic CD, as a friend told me that is a good way to relax.
Store Clerk: Well, this SONY is cheap and for relaxing I recommend this CD of "Mozart for babies.
go home and install everything. Put in the CD and and listen to Mozart for babies.
Me:
thinking to self-- Hmm, a bunch of musid is coming out but nothing is rubbing my shoulders or making me feel more relaxed. My old kitchen chair is as uncomfortable as ever and although the music is nice I'm *still* wearing about the autopsy that will occur when I'm discover to be an alien
call you up
Me: well, I bought a stereo and a CD but it isn't relaxing?
You: What kind of stereo?
Me: A Sony. And the CD is "Mozart for babies"
You: Oh, man! Sonys are pieces of Junk you need to go out and buy a Yamaha.

Now, thought experiment. Was the Sony vs. Yamaha my problem?

No, once I figured out that a stereo doesn't message your shoulders and make you forget about autopses, but play music and it's the *music* that makes you relax, *then* you can start talking about how the SOny's wiring sucks and the speakers are tinny and so one.

> > So I don't like willy nilly downloading and replacing software and so I like to know what it does before I download it. Now, that I understand bittorrent in general better, thanks to you. I'll try bit tornado.
>
> /me lets out a ridiculously long sigh of relief and pulls the tall double barreled bottle of asprin out of his mouth.
>
Hey! I said I was going to try bittornado last night!


> > Not if it was a stand alone game.
>
> Indeed, if it has no business being on the network it has no business wanting or complaining that it needs an open port.

My point. If I don't know *anything* about bittorrent then I don't know if it has any business being on an open port. And if I don't know anything about bit torrent then I'm not sure I really want to bother to fix this issue.

>
> > If I don't know how it works then I don't know that it needs an open port to upload, if I don't know what role the server plays, what role my client software plays, what role my network configuration plays, what role the files themselves play, what roles the other peoples computers play, well, caution first... no?
>
> Sensible.


Thank you! *sheesh* 'bout time...

> I would have taken that asprin a while ago if it acted that way.
>
Yeah, but I don't nescessarily know. do i?

> Opening attachments is fine, as long as they aren't random .EXEs or some other embarrasing Microsoft .gapingsecurityhole file.
>
Right. Try telling that to my friends and my mother! This is what is called computer basics. A "data file" is simply a bunch of data. Data doesn't do nothin'. An "program file" is a program that does something. A program file might take a data file for input and the input may make the program do something bad but the data file itself is just data.

I *refuse* to help people if they aren't willing to meet me half-way. If you understand the above (and further understand and email program only displays text and images) then understanding that only a program and only *running* the program will give a virus is incrediably easy.

But if they don't know this ahead of time, I can't blame anyone for being scared. My issue is when they insist the above is too complicated to understand.

I guess I might have a fault in that if I *can't* or don't understand the above, I assume I wont be able to use a computer at all and being told to get another computer or replace my VCR with a DVD just begs the question.


> Upload ratio is simply uploaded data divided by downloaded data. 1 means you've given what you've taken, 0.15 means you've not been able to keep your end of the bargan up, 5 means you've done the torrent a praiseworthy service.

So no-ones uploaded any of Star Wreck from me... Oh, well. Not my fault. I left it there for plenty long enough. I uploaded 23% of episode 2 of Lost. Good enough. I'm not going to be stingy, but I'm not good to go out of my way either.
>
> Viva, things on DVD!
>
>
> On October 3, 2005 - 12:38 PM PDT pooja wrote:
> > On October 3, 2005 - 11:58 AM PDT woozy wrote:
> > > Unfortunately we have so rather rather good writers here on GC so I'm fond of deleting my gems. But I'll delete a few.
> >
> > You could always copy them and paste them into a wordprocessing document if you want to keep them...
>
> A straight text file would be pretty good too.
> ---------------------------------

Or I could always just not worry about it untill pooja tells me to clean out my mail box. (I'd do it gladly and thank her for the heads up and emit the friendly vibe. I just don't want to do anything she hates.)

woozy
post #58  on October 3, 2005 - 5:03 PM PDT  
> On October 3, 2005 - 4:31 PM PDT pooja wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Don't sweat it, woozy! I'm just kiddin' ya!
>

What! Again!? Sheee'sh.... I *really* don't have a clue, do I!


Look, I'm *sorry* I don't have a clue. If they sold clues at the local clue shop I'd buy them by the barrel just to make life paradise for someone really nice, like you.

But I don't. But it's not my fault. I can't help it. I was born without the kidding detector in my head.

> So did you get my private mail message? Time to get some singin' and dancin' Indian style, right? You'll love it... It'll restore your faith that pure entertainment still exists on this planet!
> ---------------------------------

mmm, hmmm. Yes. Thank you!

Cugat
post #59  on October 3, 2005 - 5:23 PM PDT  
On October 3, 2005 - 5:00 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> > > See. I don't like being told what product to buy with a "trust me".
> >
> > Its free, and I don't recall ever saying I was trustworthy.
> >
> > However you seem to be implying that the original client is trustworthy because it nags you and is now owned by a commercial entity and apparently isn't showing you what you need to know, on top of doing stupid things like stopping transfers to ask you stuff.
>
> No, I'm not saying the original client is trustworthy. See, I don't like downloading software willy-nilly especially if I don't know what they do.

Well, you already downloaded one piece of software willy-nilly, the replacement would ideally be functionally similar. In this case hopefully simpler in appearance and function.

> > > So I don't like willy nilly downloading and replacing software and so I like to know what it does before I download it. Now, that I understand bittorrent in general better, thanks to you. I'll try bit tornado.
> >
> > /me lets out a ridiculously long sigh of relief and pulls the tall double barreled bottle of asprin out of his mouth.
>
> Hey! I said I was going to try bittornado last night!

Yeah, thats why I stopped.

> > > Not if it was a stand alone game.
> >
> > Indeed, if it has no business being on the network it has no business wanting or complaining that it needs an open port.
>
> My point. If I don't know *anything* about bittorrent then I don't know if it has any business being on an open port. And if I don't know anything about bit torrent then I'm not sure I really want to bother to fix this issue.

You know it involves the network, you know its part of a file distribution system, you know at the very least you will be recieving files with it.

And if you had checked out Bittornado you would have seen many explanations and warnings about how and why opening a port is useful and even a little safe.

> > > If I don't know how it works then I don't know that it needs an open port to upload, if I don't know what role the server plays, what role my client software plays, what role my network configuration plays, what role the files themselves play, what roles the other peoples computers play, well, caution first... no?
> >
> > Sensible.
>
> Thank you! *sheesh* 'bout time...

I'm not denying lack of knowledge can be a stumbling block, I'm just getting tired of pumping out the info and watching most of it seem to bounce off you. Ask questions if you don't get something, I can go into more detail or make more analogies. Just making odd analogies to say you don't get it doesn't help me find where to elaborate.

> > Opening attachments is fine, as long as they aren't random .EXEs or some other embarrasing Microsoft .gapingsecurityhole file.
>
> Right. Try telling that to my friends and my mother! This is what is called computer basics. A "data file" is simply a bunch of data. Data doesn't do nothin'. An "program file" is a program that does something. A program file might take a data file for input and the input may make the program do something bad but the data file itself is just data.
>
> I *refuse* to help people if they aren't willing to meet me half-way. If you understand the above (and further understand and email program only displays text and images) then understanding that only a program and only *running* the program will give a virus is incrediably easy.
>
> But if they don't know this ahead of time, I can't blame anyone for being scared. My issue is when they insist the above is too complicated to understand.

Yeah, I have issues like that. :-]

> I guess I might have a fault in that if I *can't* or don't understand the above, I assume I wont be able to use a computer at all and being told to get another computer or replace my VCR with a DVD just begs the question.

Problem is that today the new user has to face many overlapping concepts, which often get internally simplified into witchcraft terms, which makes discussions with people who don't already "know everything" rather interesting.

> > Upload ratio is simply uploaded data divided by downloaded data. 1 means you've given what you've taken, 0.15 means you've not been able to keep your end of the bargan up, 5 means you've done the torrent a praiseworthy service.
>
> So no-ones uploaded any of Star Wreck from me... Oh, well. Not my fault. I left it there for plenty long enough. I uploaded 23% of episode 2 of Lost. Good enough. I'm not going to be stingy, but I'm not good to go out of my way either.

Odd are you would have had people download from you if there wasn't some sort of wrench in the works. When others download from you, they don't really choose who from, the client just gives them a progress bar and it gets done. Odds are they try to connect to recieve, and hit your blocked port, then move on.
woozy
post #60  on October 3, 2005 - 5:47 PM PDT  
> Odd are you would have had people download from you if there wasn't some sort of wrench in the works. When others download from you, they don't really choose who from, the client just gives them a progress bar and it gets done. Odds are they try to connect to recieve, and hit your blocked port, then move on.
> ---------------------------------

Mmm, prolly. Don't know why Lost ep.2 wasn't blocked. Don't really care. Will find out more when I use bittornado.

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