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New "Genres" interface
Topic by: Cinenaut
Posted: October 5, 2005 - 9:58 AM PDT
Last Reply: January 26, 2006 - 6:32 PM PST

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author topic: New "Genres" interface
Eoliano
post #21  on October 5, 2005 - 1:35 PM PDT  

GREENCINE Welcome Eoliano



QUEUE REQUEST LIST YOUR PROFILE MEMBER PROFILES YOUR LISTS MEMBER LISTS MAIL PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS


Advanced Search

Awards and Critics
GreenCine suggests
Departments

Genres
+ Action/Adventure
+ Adult
+ Adventure
+ Animation
+ Anime
+ Classics
+ Comedies
+ Comic Books
+ Crime
+ Cult
+ Documentary
+ Drama
+ Erotica
+ Espionage
Experimental/Avant-Garde
+ Fantasy
+ Film Noir
+ Foreign
+ Gay and Lesbian
+ Horror

Now isn't this a little better?
pooja
post #22  on October 5, 2005 - 2:07 PM PDT  
Yeah, I've just bookmarked my queue and the discussions page and stuff for convenience. No scrolling, but I go right to the "most recent posts" page I made, so sometimes I don't see the GreenCine front page for ages.

But those Genre links... It's just so UGLY! Pleh!

Too bad GC can't give us different "skins" that match our personalities and styles...
pooja
post #23  on October 5, 2005 - 2:20 PM PDT  
> On October 5, 2005 - 12:39 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Keep in mind that there are some great new genres here that a lot of people behind the green curtain worked long and hard on (and are still working long and hard on)

Yes, like Peplum. For the 5.5 members who joined GreenCine precisely for its vast and unmatched collection of Peplum classics. I know, I know, the genre is a staff favorite, right? Hey, I like Steve Reeves just as much as the next person but.... whoa... whoa... There are only 4 Steve Reeves DVDs at GreenCine, only two of them are Peplum, and both of them are REQUEST titles? What's going on here? That seems rather inadequate for a "top genre" category....
;-)
rmarkd
post #24  on October 5, 2005 - 2:30 PM PDT  
Well, I kinda like it. I like the fact that I see the whole "genre path" when I drill down.

I also like being able to expand and see the sub-genres.

But yeah, I do wish the queue, member lists, discussion boards, etc was above the genre list.

Oh, and good job in keeping the genre tree http://www.greencine.com/genre

BTW, I did notice that
All Genres | Animation | Studios | Ghibli has no movies...



> On October 5, 2005 - 9:58 AM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Well, what does everybody think? It's kind of cool for casual browsing. I wonder if even less people will find the discussion boards because they have to scroll down more? Or will they be scrolling anyway to see all the genres?
>
> I've noticed one problem -- you can't drill down more than one level. For example, I can expand the Horror genre, but I can't get to "Italian Horror." I tried it with both Firefox and IE.
>
>
> ---------------------------------

underdog
post #25  on October 5, 2005 - 2:33 PM PDT  
> On October 5, 2005 - 2:07 PM PDT pooja wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> Too bad GC can't give us different "skins" that match our personalities and styles...
> ---------------------------------


More to the point - too bad we don't have the thousands of developers available that Apple Computer does!

Meanwhile, just so y'all know, we are indeed discussing a near-future update that would indeed allow for toggling the "genres" off/on. Will update on that as it comes...

underdog
post #26  on October 5, 2005 - 2:35 PM PDT  
> On October 5, 2005 - 2:30 PM PDT rmarkd wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Well, I kinda like it. I like the fact that I see the whole "genre path" when I drill down.
>
> I also like being able to expand and see the sub-genres.
>
> But yeah, I do wish the queue, member lists, discussion boards, etc was above the genre list.
>
> Oh, and good job in keeping the genre tree http://www.greencine.com/genre
>
> BTW, I did notice that
> All Genres | Animation | Studios | Ghibli has no movies...
>
>
>

Yeah, there are a few subcats like that one which are in the process of being hand-populated. Some of them before your very eyes! These are categories we wanted that AMG data didn't allow for an automatic title population. So expect those categories to be filled very soon... And thanks for the feedback!

C
pooja
post #27  on October 5, 2005 - 2:56 PM PDT  
Oh, here is one inconvenience... not that I get a whole lot of private mail, but now the little envelope icon that appears when someone writes to me is no longer visible, unless I scroll down. Maybe put that up in the right top corner?

Welcome pooja (click here to logout.)
Your account
Private Mail
Your queue <--- oh, guys you can click this to get to your queue!

A little flag to notify you if your private mailbox is full should go up here, too.
dpowers
post #28  on October 5, 2005 - 3:05 PM PDT  
i think india could be at the top. at the top, though, it should be more general than just the b-word, so, "india/b-word."

> "Quest" and "Peplum" are their own top level categories, for Ganesha'sake!

but the little pluses were krishna's idea. i have an email for him if anyone wants to complain.
Eoliano
post #29  on October 5, 2005 - 3:14 PM PDT  
pooja, I guess you didn't like my idea to place the queue, request, mail etc. near the top of the page. Oh, and I think the Genre list would look better as individual drop-down menus just like the Awards and Critics menu except that they would need to be a bit smaller.
woozy
post #30  on October 5, 2005 - 3:23 PM PDT  
If the genres are using javascript anyway why not roll overs to save space. Or better keep them collapsed. And they should be near the other movies and in the same format of the other movies stuff.

My personal suggestion (but it is a matter of taste):




[Greencine] +welcome woozy
[logo ]
Search
Avanced Search
+Browse

+Member services




Where clicking on the plusses will yield:



[Greencine] +welcome woozy
[logo ] {your account <}{your profile <}{your mail <}{your queue <}
Search
Avanced Search
+Browse
{+Genre v}
{+subgenre v}
....
{+awards & critics v}
{award listing v}
{award listing v}
{award listing v}
{+greencine suggests v}
{gc category}
{gc category}
{gc category}
{gc category}
{<>v}
{+ Departments (except it needs a more self explanitory name) v}
{<>}
{<>}
{<>}

+Member services
{Queue}
{Request list}
{View your Profile}
{Member Profiles}
{View Your Lists}
{Member Lists}
{Mail}
{Public Discussions}




> On October 5, 2005 - 2:33 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>
> More to the point - too bad we don't have the thousands of developers available that Apple Computer does!
>
Well, Eoliano and I aren't doing much these days ....
woozy
post #31  on October 5, 2005 - 3:26 PM PDT  
Oh, crap.

> Where clicking on the plusses will yield:
>
>
>

> [Greencine] +welcome woozy
> [logo ] {your account <}{your profile <}{your mail <}{your queue <}
> Search
> Avanced Search
> +Browse
> {+Genre v}
> {+subgenre v}
> ....
> {+awards & critics v}
> {award listing v}
> {award listing v}
> {award listing v}
> {+greencine suggests v}
> {gc category}
> {gc category}
> {gc category}
> {gc category}
> {members' lists v}
> {+ Departments (except it needs a more self explanitory name) v}
> {department}
> {department}
> {department}
>
> +Member services
> {Queue}
> {Request list}
> {View your Profile}
> {Member Profiles}
> {View Your Lists}
> {Member Lists}
> {Mail}
> {Public Discussions}
>
>

>
pooja
post #32  on October 5, 2005 - 3:41 PM PDT  
> On October 5, 2005 - 3:14 PM PDT Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> pooja, I guess you didn't like my idea to place the queue, request, mail etc. near the top of the page.

Papa, I'm already kind of agreeing with you in post #27... the queue link already appears there under "Your account". I just don't think there's any place for plus signs on a modern webpage layout... that's what geeks use to show directory structure.
woozy
post #33  on October 5, 2005 - 3:48 PM PDT  
> On October 5, 2005 - 3:14 PM PDT Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> pooja, I guess you didn't like my idea to place the queue, request, mail etc. near the top of the page. Oh, and I think the Genre list would look better as individual drop-down menus just like the Awards and Critics menu except that they would need to be a bit smaller.
> ---------------------------------

I liked it. Except it could get a bit cluttered on top if you include everything. And it's a matter of taste about top menus vs. sides.

My ideas behind my idea were that immediate things pertaining to the user that should be right by the welcome user bit. Queue, and mail. I personally wouldn't care that my account be immediately available but if it isn't there where else would it be.

Side menu is to find films either searching or by genres or by the other current pull downs. Members list should be here as well. All should be collapsable to avoid clutter.

All the fun features such as mail and boards should be the "other" thing people are likely to use so the side menu has "Search/Browse/Member Services.

Redundancy is not an enemy of you can save space. Mail and member lists are in two places.

Hmm to take Eolianos top menu into account how bout:


[GreenCine] [Discussion][Profiles ][Lists ] welcome woozy
[GreenCine] [Board ][members|yours][members|yours] your account| your mail| your queue
[GreenCine]

Search Movies:
Advanced Search:

Browse:
+Genres
+Awards
+GC suggests
Member Lists
+Departments

Your Queue
Request List
Your Account




Eoliano
post #34  on October 5, 2005 - 4:14 PM PDT  
> Papa, I'm already kind of agreeing with you in post #27... the queue link already appears there under "Your account".

Hmm, so now it's Papa is it...

> I just don't think there's any place for plus signs on a modern webpage layout... that's what geeks use to show directory structure.

I agree wholeheartedly... it functions fine, but looks cheesy.

Darn, I'm using food references and and it's not even dinnertime.

> I liked it. Except it could get a bit cluttered on top if you include everything. And it's a matter of taste about top menus vs. sides.

The side is hideously cluttered already, so why not move the following to the top in a straight line:

QUEUE | YOUR LISTS | YOUR ACCOUNT |MEMBER PROFILES | MEMBER LISTS | MAIL | DISCUSSIONS

Your request list is available on your queue page, so why bother, and lose the "Your account/Your queue on the upper right and change that to:

Welcome Eoliano (logout)
View your account

and leave it at that.
pooja
post #35  on October 5, 2005 - 4:39 PM PDT  
> On October 5, 2005 - 4:14 PM PDT Eoliano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Hmm, so now it's Papa is it...

Our relationship compels me to call you Uncle, with love and respect, but your icon is Papa, right? I could call you Brother, but I'm not that old....

> Your request list is available on your queue page, so why bother, and lose the "Your account/Your queue on the upper right and change that to:
>
> Welcome Eoliano (logout)
> View your account
>
> and leave it at that.

I think "Your account, Your queue, Your private mail"... and set THIS to be your GC homepage (if you're the type of member who's reading this thread now, it's probably the best place to start browsing).
Battie
post #36  on October 5, 2005 - 4:40 PM PDT  
> On October 5, 2005 - 12:39 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Change can be scary, change can also be your friend. I can't even count on my hands the number of changes we've previously made to the site that people made a similar brief uproar about at the time - yet likely don't remember what those concerns were now. But, still, thanks for the comments guys - as Jonathan said, we'll be eventually making a much more sweeping design change to the site. For now, this'll do.
>
> Keep in mind that there are some great new genres here that a lot of people behind the green curtain worked long and hard on (and are still working long and hard on) - which better match both the way AMG categorizes films and the browsing tastes of our members. Too many films were buried under previous genre categorizations that should be a lot easier to find now.
>
> No, it isn't perfect. But we hope you'll get used to it and enjoy what's good about it. At least, that is, until the whole site is revamped. ;-)
>
> Thanks again.
>
> C
> ---------------------------------

:) I like it, plusses an all. I happen to enjoy simple menus. Scrolling sucks. But I clicked on the erotica genre (hahahaha) and the first page had..All Night Long? I've not watched it, but what I heard didn't seem to put it in the Erotica category. :)
Eoliano
post #37  on October 5, 2005 - 5:05 PM PDT  
> Our relationship compels me to call you Uncle, with love and respect, but your icon is Papa, right? I could call you Brother, but I'm not that old....

Uncle Eo is fine. Being a gentleman, I'm not about to ask your age or tell you mine, however, my icon (from the cover of The Life Aquatic) is none other than Bill Murray who happens to be somewhere near my age, so you decide.
pooja
post #38  on October 5, 2005 - 5:08 PM PDT  
Really? That's not Hemingway? You fooled me, Uncle.
Eoliano
post #39  on October 5, 2005 - 5:12 PM PDT  
> Really? That's not Hemingway? You fooled me, Uncle.

The icon fooled you, not me.
woozy
post #40  on October 5, 2005 - 8:18 PM PDT  
> > I just don't think there's any place for plus signs on a modern webpage layout... that's what geeks use to show directory structure.
>
But lists of genres *are* mental directory structure.

> I agree wholeheartedly... it functions fine, but looks cheesy.
>
It's the function that matters. Plus signs are ... well poojas design ideas are good. We *need* collapsables have these gazungas of items to keep the list from having so much stuff that it blinds us, while managing to keep everything reasonable to find.


> The side is hideously cluttered already,

Good point. It was marginally acceptable but with the genres it will be too crowded will have to move the stuff either on an top margin nav bar, or one level down in a colapsable.


> so why not move the following to the top in a straight line:
>


> QUEUE | YOUR LISTS | YOUR ACCOUNT |MEMBER PROFILES | MEMBER LISTS | MAIL | DISCUSSIONS
>
That is certainly better than having those to the side along with genres but I think we can do better. I think that is too much stuff in one line that it becomes blinding and I don't see what those have to do with each other so it makes finding stuff harder (scanning horizontal is harder than vertical). We should group them closer and have them related. Your profile & members profile; they are both profiles-- make them one. Same with lists. Queue and mail and account-- those all have to do with you the individual memeber. Discussions and profiles; those have to do with ... "Community". Now we have better visual groupings:


Community:members* You:Your Queue
:discussions :mail
:lists :your account

*was profiles



Two is better than seven. Brain can take four horizontally at best.

> Your request list is available on your queue page, so why bother,

I agree. The theory is that from a front page one should have a good idea how to get to anywhere (or at least have a sensible idea how to start to guess and to get indication when one is close) so that's why front pages often have links to *everywhere*. Once one knows a request list is part of queue. I'd consider just queue. Oh... I guess a third nescessary but small and out of the way "chunk" would be an "about GreenCine" so ...


GreenCine:about us Community:members* You:Your Queue
:rent movies :discussions :mail
:the community :lists :your account
:FAQ








and lose the "Your account/Your queue on the upper right and change that to:
>
> Welcome Eoliano (logout)
> View your account
>
> and leave it at that.
> ---------------------------------

Frankly I'm much more interested in my queue and my mail than my account. And I want them in one personal place all the time by a reflex of a hand. People are comforted knowing something will always be in one spot, rather than finding it in a list (even a very beautiful and perfect list). And they certainly they don't want to have to go through intermediary steps. Problem is once you put something in you want to put in other things and it stops being unique. So what do you folks want to access quickest. Well, I'm with Pooja on mail but I don't want to go to mail unless I have mail so just the mail icon when I get mail. I don't want to go to my queue. But I think most people will.

Okay, that in mind I give you:

| | welcome woozy
|Logo |Community *mail allert* your account
| | |-members
| | |-discussions
| | |-lists
________________________________________________________
about Greencine * how to rent * greencine community* FAQ
________________________________________________________
MOVIES
|Your Queue |
|Search_____|
|Adv Search |
| |
|Browse |
|+Genres |
|+critics |
|+departm |
|
|mem. lists |


The stuff between the ______ lines (about GC, FAQ, etc.) would be a line horizontal bevelled line image that will very quickly turn to background in peoples mind so it won't distract return users.

Also, in much the way a user choices "suggestions or lists" what she can choice a "personal column" which can show stuff she might care about such as the color bars of her queued movies, the movies she has out, recently returned. If there's been any action on her favorite message board threads, etc.
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