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New Fansubs!
Topic by: Battie
Posted: October 11, 2005 - 5:35 PM PDT
Last Reply: October 14, 2006 - 4:25 AM PDT

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hamano
post #41  on October 16, 2005 - 7:02 PM PDT  
> On October 16, 2005 - 6:33 PM PDT Shaky wrote:
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> I just watched Noein - Mou Hitori no Kimi e. My reaction was a very favorable

Yeah, especially the opening scene was nice... bits of Berserk and RahXephon in the design of the monster/ship thingie. It's Kazuki Akane (Escaflowne, Heat Guy J)'s latest so I had high expectations. I had to make a bit of an effort to stay awake through it, though. I kept falling asleep and I'd think, WTF? It's over? What happened? Finally I stayed alert to the end of the first ep. and I found out I hadn't missed anything because it was one of these episodes that just ends leaving you wondering what will happen next. I thought the character designs were interesting, but I couldn't see any reason why the protagonist girl has eyes that are twice the size of her friends. She looked alien/freaky, so I kept looking at that... maybe I was meant to, but it bugged me.

Of my top tier new shows (ARIA, Blood+, Solty Rei, Black Cat, Shakugan no Shana, MaiZHime) only Solty Rei went up a few notches in my appreciation with the second episode. MaiZHime, as I feared, went down a couple of notches... it's more of the same from last season's MaiHime, so if you liked that you'll probably like Z too. The other shows remained at the same level.

I've got a show called Ramune or Lamune sitting there... I tried to watch it but this put me to sleep also. I'll try again maybe but I'm not expecting much. I'd rather fall asleep to URSA Minor, though... that's a really nice bedtime story. Too bad the subtitles sucked... I bet you caught a few differences if you listened to the Japanese, Shaky. URSA is very pretty with a strong Le Petit Prince look to the animation. Very dreamy and charming.

I really liked the way Parakiss incorporated a bunch of WTF show conventions in the beginning bit, leading the viewer to wonder for a sec if this was a sci-fi or horror anime or what. Very cute.
Shaky
post #42  on October 17, 2005 - 6:22 PM PDT  
I finally watched Aria. I have a feeling that this will be one of my favorites this round. It just left me with a happy, pleasant feeling, not unlike Haibane Renmei. I am often annoyed by stupid animals thrown in for their cuteness factor, but that idiotic "President" dog made me laugh.

The characters are likable, the animation is pretty and the voice and sound work is very peaceful. My blood pressure has gone down a few points just thinking about it. I'll definitely keep watching this one.

Oh, and after seeing that first episode, I had to have a hot buttered baked potato today.
hamano
post #43  on October 18, 2005 - 7:39 AM PDT  
> On October 17, 2005 - 6:22 PM PDT Shaky wrote:
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> Oh, and after seeing that first episode, I had to have a hot buttered baked potato today.

You're gonna have to bake fresh walnut sweet rolls for Ep 2! I just thought I'd give you a heads up, so you'll be able to line up the ingredients or find something similar at the pastry shop.

I finally managed to stay awake through Ramune. This is set in some sleepy Japanese seaside town, and it's another show where you follow the day to day lives of the characters. It's like AIR minus anything supernatural or sci-fi. There are lots of nice shots of hermit crabs and fresh vegetables. Plot-wise it's rather like watching other people play with The Sims. I don't know if I need another "nice pretty people have nice pretty lives" show since I'm watching ARIA (which is also imaginative and funny) so I don't have high hopes for this show. If you have an unlimited appetite for these shows or if you just want to sit back and watch a slice of animated Japanese life, you might like it. I'd rather rewatch Ichigo Mashimaro, a great show from last season with some sharp humor and tons of cuteness, for "slice of life"...

The first fansubs for Ginban Kaleidoscope and ParadiseKiss just popped up on the radar!
kenegda
post #44  on October 18, 2005 - 10:27 AM PDT  
Oh, you lucky people, I envy you. My computer crashed (way back) so I dropped internet and can't get any fansubs. (Sniff!) So I either have to wait until stuff is lisenced or try to catch titles at a convention. Mysteriously, my queue is shrinking rapidly as well...
Catullus
post #45  on October 21, 2005 - 3:16 AM PDT  
Watched the show figured id add in a differing opinion

> On October 14, 2005 - 9:51 AM PDT hamano wrote:
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> This is by far the BEST show I've seen so far this season. It leaves all the other Episodes 1s I've seen the last couple of weeks in the dust. Reasons hamano likes this show:


Ive only seen 2 other episodes 1's, this ranks a distant 3rd

> 1) First of all, don't worry about the lead girl's hairstyle... it's an important plot point and if you understand high fashion (I confess I've been a big fan of America's Next Top Model and of fashion photography in general) you understand how it fits into the world that the show takes place in. And it seems less extreme when the characters move and talk in "3D" as opposed to the flat "poster" look on the websites. The character animation is both top notch technically and easy on the eyes aesthetically.


As someone who could care less about modeling and doesn't watch TV, id rather watch yakitate (a show about bread) personally :P The hairstyle looks bad no matter how you cut it, sure it doesn't look as bad as the anidb picture, but compared to how her hair was it looks ridiculously stupid. If thats "fashionable" if you could call it that, ill stay away from any trendy haircuts in the near and far future.


> 2) PK has a really nice, smart graphics sense, like the best of GAINAX's works and GONZO's Gankutsuou had. The show fearlessly flips in out of 2D and uses a variety of foreground/background tricks... even the scene transitions are really fun, with a "pretty wipe" (flowers) alternating with an "ugly wipe" (deformed animals?). There're a lot of cartoon SD transformations, which seem to be trendy right now.


The animation is pretty damn good although its just episode 1 id say to that point its wasted on this show. I dont really like the deformations because it doesn't make the characters look chibi kawaii, more like chibi baka.
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3) The music is really good, in a "Honey & Clover" way. They're pretty harmless pop songs, really, but work very well within the context of the show.

Didn't notice the music, the op was good tho, in the sense I really want the instrumental version of it. Id say most of the time I didn't even notice any music but thats not really that odd unless its good I tend to tune out background noise.
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4) The lead character, Yukari AKA Caroline, is a variation on probably my favorite anime character trope. The tall, seemingly strong beauty with long black hair who has some needs/insecurities that other characters are oblivious to. Think Motoko in Love Hina or Sakaki in Azumanga Daioh. She has a rather deep voice for a female anime character. The voice acting in general is fairly realistic teen/adult speech.

So far she doesn't seem to have much of a personality imo, we will see if that comes out more later.

5) The animation has a nice sharp look to it. The one small complaint I had with Honey & Clover was the soft fuzzy look it had.

The animation is the strong point yes, character design was lacking tho, maybe I just think those pins in that guys face is stupid but that really did bother me honestly.
>
> Some caveats and observations:
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> I can see some people complaining about this show perpetuating certain stereotypes in the fashion world. From watching shows like America's Top Model, the industry itself certainly seems to thrive on the self-perpetuation of those stereotypes, so I don't really see any reason to object unless you the viewer are yourself uncomfortable with "those types of people"... While Honey&Clover was pretty much 90% hetero despite its setting in a fine arts school, PK seems to be about 50 to 60% gay so far. That's not any worse than Fruits Basket, but it might be too much for some people.


Well since its about modeling youd probably have to be gay to be into it, thats not meant to be offensive but seriously there is a reason gay men are stereotyped for having good fashion sense, its because its true. I really wouldn't compare this in any way shape or form to fruits basket.
As far as being comfortable with those types of people yes and no, I dont really like yaoi romance anime I wont try to deny that, but then again I dont have issues with anime/manga with gay characters either.
>
> Some people have a weakness for Sports Anime and they'd watch even a dumb show like Suzuka. (Hey, I'm just kidding, but not really.)

Well this show is complete crap compared to suzuka but you are entitled to your opinion there, I only watched this anime because of your glowing review.

I confess to a predisposition toward stories about young people in the arts (hmm... I've never seen FAME... maybe I should give it a try....) so I'm naturally drawn to shows like Honey&Clover, Princess Tutu and even Mahoraba: Heartful Days. I really wanted to like BECK but I stopped watching halfway through... so far PK has none of the weaknesses that put me off Beck. No horrible use of "native" American English. No weird and totally unnecessary subplot involving something like a stolen guitar and a dead blues singer (yet). No bodybuilder "macho man" gags.

Kinda hard to predict where this anime is going to go honestly, i mean it can't all lead up to a fashion show, so I have no idea any plot twists at this point :P
>
I have a long interest in writing, graphic arts, photography, film, and industrial/commercial design. So my affection for PK might be heavily colored by that. And after all, this is just my impression after the first episode. After all of the above, the only things I'm SURE about the show is that it's very nicely drawn, well acted, well written and funny. Hopefully it'll have some of the emotional depth that Honey & Clover developed after the first couple of episodes.

You are free to claim that it was well acted (the voice acting was fine) and that it has great animation (it does) but funny? WTF??? there really wasn't one funny moment that I noticed in the first ep. I didn't laugh one single time actually.

The fact that "The story follows Yukari as she gets involved in the group and eventually falls in love with the leader, George." is in the anidb description completely allows me to without any qualms stop watching right now. Say what you will about me thats fine Im just not really wanting to see some girl all in love with a bi-sexual guy sorry. I realize some girls are really into gay/yaoi anime/manga. Honestly I do wonder why while at the same time not really wanting to know the answer. :P

Just wanted to give another POV on Paradise Kiss thats all.
So far the one I like best is
This
Its a bit too similar close to bleach in some respects but it loses the humor and adds in better quality animation and imo better characters. (the girl not the guy)

This is so far tho, its still very early

Cugat
post #46  on October 21, 2005 - 4:16 AM PDT  
On October 18, 2005 - 10:27 AM PDT kenegda wrote:
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> My computer crashed

I hate when people say that.

Does that mean it fell out a window? That the OS got trashed by something and you never looked back? That the harddrive wore out somehow? Or that the powersupply blew sparks and surged all other components to death? (you don't have to know/answer, just venting)

I used to call it a crash when my system froze/paniced, I'd reboot and everything was fine.

Though back in that day a fansub would be like, nonexistant. (however people actually made their own stories starring triangles or two dimensional spheres, put to a simple synth soundtrack. its terrifying how much more advanced things have gotten)
hamano
post #47  on October 21, 2005 - 7:29 AM PDT  
Actually, I was waiting for someone to appear who can explain the appeal of Suzuka to me... I'd like to know because I watched through episode 3 or 4 and I dropped it after realizing that it wasn't going to bring even a kilobyte of originality to the table. Then I discovered that the manga was actually better drawn than the anime, so I stopped watching. Right now I think Suzuka is a badly drawn and badly acted utter piece of derivative crap. Even Fighting Beauty Woolong, a newer entry in the ever popular genre of "sexy girls live in a bath-house/onsen-resort" that gained popularity with Love Hina, is more watchable than Suzuka. But since both you and I believe Shaky likes it, I'd like to know why. Does it suddenly get better when the main boy character finds out he's good at track? Are all the annoying secondary characters suddenly killed in a bus accident?

Shakugan no Shana continues to be amusing, but with ep. 3 I'm a bit concerned that Shana is going to turn into the typical moe heroine, a grouchy version of Hazuki from Tsukiyomi Moon Phase. Did anyone else notice that the main bad guy and his evil doll sidekick are almost identical to the sorcerer Seravii and his beloved Elizabeth from Akazukin Cha Cha? Cha Cha is a great show that I think is by far funnier than Animal Yokocho, but it uses a lot of visual gags that rely on Japanese puns (really dumb ones) that might get lost in translation.

On the anime music front, I just realized that I really like a group called ROUND TABLE w. Nino... I've always liked the OP song for Chobits but when I added the ED song from ARIA to my playlist I found out they also did the OP theme from Gunbuster 2, which I also like very much. Just bubbly frothy J-pop but really cute and impeccably executed.

On the non-anime front, I finished watching Lunch Queen and have started Live Action Gokusen which is a lively and melodramatic series that's fun to watch. I don't think you can do better with a live action adaptation of an anime/manga series.... it's quite funny, and at times moving. I'm continuing to watch Apron of Love and Spring of Trivia, but they're starting to wear a bit thin after the initial novelty wore off.
Shaky
post #48  on October 21, 2005 - 9:15 AM PDT  
Parakiss: The jury is still out. I was disappointed in the first episode, but I'm not entirely sure why. It just fell flat for me. I don't really care for any of the characters so far, and I thought the story that was told in the first episode was sort of boring.

I have to agree with Catullus that the superdeformation seemed inappropriate. While some of the design aspects of it were sorta cool, it seems like in trying to make up for something that's lacking, they're throwing too many gimmicks at the wall at once to see what sticks.

It's too heavy-handed, but I'll give it a chance and keep watching. Maybe once the story starts to move they'll back off the other crap.

As for the bizarre choice to compare it to Suzuka...


> On October 21, 2005 - 7:29 AM PDT hamano wrote:
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> Actually, I was waiting for someone to appear who can explain the appeal of Suzuka to me... Does it suddenly get better when the main boy character finds out he's good at track? Are all the annoying secondary characters suddenly killed in a bus accident?
> ---------------------------------

Actually, you're not far off.

First, yes, it does get better after he gets on the track team. I keep seeing you refer to it as a sports anime, but I don't think it really is. The show is not really about the sports and competition between characters and doesn't carry the themes of overcoming odds or coming back from defeat that you would find in a sports anime. It's really more about the relationship between Akitsuki and Suzuka. It's a romance.

The sports anime conventions that do appear are interesting in that they don't lead in the direction you might expect. Akitsuki doesn't become the star of the track team just because of his legs. He doesn't beat the big rival in a surprise victory. In one scene that might have you initially thinking you really are watching a sports anime, Akitsuki gets a burst of speed during a race when Suzuka starts screaming insults at him from the stands. But instead of winning, he gets a buildup of lactic acid from the extra effort and falls flat on his face a few moments later, before getting anywhere near the finish line. That's not generally what you would expect to happen in the stereotypical sports anime.

The "annoying secondary characters" to whom I believe you're referring are the girls in the apartment building (with the bath house). Yes, they pretty much disappear. Once Akitsuki gets on the track team, you hardly see them at all. Instead, the story has settled into a love triangle between Akitsuki, Suzuka and Honoka. There are hints of a couple of other people who might like Akitsuki, but there's not enough of that to really make a harem.

So, if it's not a sports anime or harem anime, what is it? Ultimately, the bath house and apartment building only serve to help set up the relationship between Akitsuki and Suzuka. Likewise, the sports team only serves to help set up the relationships between Akitsuki, Suzuka, Honoka and Miki. Even the "rivalry" that Akitsuki develops with another runner, which might initially make you think that you're watching a cliched sports anime, only serves to drive the story between Akitsuki and Suzuka. Like I said, it's a romance.

I don't think you're really giving this show a chance. I think you recognized what you thought were conventions of sports anime and assumed you knew what was coming next, and are simply depriving yourself of the chance to see some pretty good storytelling.

> On the non-anime front, I finished watching Lunch Queen and have started Live Action Gokusen which is a lively and melodramatic series that's fun to watch. I don't think you can do better with a live action adaptation of an anime/manga series.... it's quite funny, and at times moving.
> ---------------------------------

I just finished watching Gokusen 2. The first live action series was really entertaining and had some pretty good writing and acting. The second was a big disappointment. It's the same story over again, with many of the same characters, but this time they make too many strange squeaking and swooshing noises when they move. The overabundance of sound effects is simply annoying. The acting is much too far over the top and unnatural, playing like a really, really bad sitcom. You know the show is in big trouble when you start seeing people in the show reading or exchanging copies of the Gokusen manga. The character drawings from the manga even start appearing on books, desks, walls, etc.

After the success of the first one, they should have just left it alone.
hamano
post #49  on October 21, 2005 - 11:07 AM PDT  
re.Parakiss

I found the RAW for Ep. 2 so by later tonight I should know how this series will shape up for me. I was wondering about the raccoon that pops up during the first scene where the characters SD... I thought it might be a nod to Pom Poko... remember during the fight scenes, the tanuki would SD into these really cartoony forms when they were on the run, then go back into the regular form when they were winning? Personally, I really like the SD designs which aren't all that cute. I get a big laugh out of the ED sequence, too, with all the shaking booties.


re.Suzuka

So you're saying that the harem and sports anime elements are really some kind of ruse to get viewers to start watching? I know the main male character reminds Suzuka of some sempai or something that she had feelings for before. By romance are you saying that it's a relationship drama like Kare Kano? Could be I just didn't identify with any of the characters, but I found very little in the first few episodes to like about the show.


re.Gokusen

I kinda like the way most of these drama shows go about 11 episodes, and then just end. The producers don't make them to go beyond that, and the writers can write a real ending. I think some American TV shows would be a lot better if they planned exactly how many episodes they'd have, and stick to it (like "24"). I just started watching Kiken na Aneki (Dangerous Big Sis) which isn't really that good, so the quality of the shows really varies.

But it sounds like maybe they should have left Gokusen alone after the 1st season... My guess is it was so popular the first time around the producers got greedy. Don't the kids graduate, though? Or do they flunk and stay behind?
Shaky
post #50  on October 21, 2005 - 5:08 PM PDT  
> On October 21, 2005 - 11:07 AM PDT hamano wrote:
> Don't the kids graduate, though? Or do they flunk and stay behind?
> ---------------------------------

When the second season starts, we find Yankumi teaching elementary school kids in some far flung part of Japan. She lost her job when Shirokin Academy closed and is having great difficulty dealing with the little brats.

Meanwhile, Head Teacher from Shirokin has taken the head teacher position at Kurogin Academy (ha ha), which also has a class 3-D full of delinquents. When that group sends their teacher to the hospital, the Head Teacher puts in a request for a big male teacher with a reputation for being tough. The files get mixed up at the education department, however, and Yankumi is hired instead by mistake. Yankumi shows up not knowing that Head Teacher is there, while Head Teacher doesn't realize he has hired Yankumi.

When she arrives, for some reason he can't just say it was a mistake, so he lets her stay. However, he reminds her that she has to keep her family a secret, because if the Chairman of the school were to find out he hired a yakuza teacher, it would be his ass.

The only one of the last class to return is Kumai, who now runs his family's noodle shop. The two cops from the first series are replaced by one asshole cop who wants to put all the kids in jail. Yankumi's love interest is transferred to a teacher who works at the girls' school across the street from Kurogin. The entire Oedo household returns, with Ojiichan always providing advice at the right moment and Tetsu always pining for Yankumi.

And thus, hilarity should ensue. But it doesn't. It's pretty much the same story, with Yankumi saving the kids either from gangs or from the police while keeping her identity secret from the school. And of course some of the students find out, and the scenes in which they decide not to tell on her are almost exactly the same as in the first show. In some ways it's almost a satire of the first show without intending to be.

I would say it's not really even worth the download time. If you've seen the anime and the first live action series (which, again, was very entertaining), you'll likely be disappointed in the second series.
Shaky
post #51  on October 21, 2005 - 5:21 PM PDT  
> On October 21, 2005 - 11:07 AM PDT hamano wrote:
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> re.Suzuka
>
> So you're saying that the harem and sports anime elements are really some kind of ruse to get viewers to start watching? I know the main male character reminds Suzuka of some sempai or something that she had feelings for before. By romance are you saying that it's a relationship drama like Kare Kano?
> ---------------------------------

I haven't seen Kare Kano, so I don't know about that comparison. What I do know is that this show doesn't feel like a sports anime at all and doesn't follow the formula. You aren't tuning in to see if Akitsuki will win the race. You aren't tuning in to see if he beats his rival. You aren't tuning in to see if Suzuka will beat her own record and become a champion. In fact, when Suzuka competes, you see very little of it.

Instead, you're tuning in to see if Suzuka will come around and reciprocate Akitsuki's feelings instead of just being a bitch all the time. You're tuning in to see if Honoka-chan will really be able to turn Akitsuki's feelings away from Suzuka. Remember, Akitsuki only joined the track team to get with Suzuka, and Honoka only joined to get with Akitsuki. The track team is really nothing more than a backdrop for the romance, and it reflects the emotions of the people in it. For instance, Suzuka has trouble with her jumps when she's troubled over Akitsuki, and Akitsuki runs faster (albeit briefly, before bonking out) when Suzuka yells at him.

So, yes, the harem and sports anime conventions probably ARE a ruse to suck people in and get them hooked. Otherwise this plays like shoujo material, with the emphasis on the relationships.
Ayato4me
post #52  on October 21, 2005 - 6:34 PM PDT  
OMG, here I am, lurking around here and going by a psuedoname! *snicker*

A shout out to the Hamster for taking the time to write such scintillating reviews of this season's anime. Saves me valuable time for more WoW! Yay!

I checked out Black Cat at your behest. The jury is still out on that one. It was... interesting. Kinda like DN Angel on crack. I'll have to see if the main meow proves to be adequately moody and taciturn for my liking. I think there may be too many cutesy girls in this one. Cutesy girls make me want to hurl something (often partially digested) at my moniter.

I'm still holding out hopes for Noein. That Yuu is just too deliciously reminiscent of Ayato Kamina only more angsty. And angst is never a bad thing in anime, imo.

I'm going to have to agree with Hamano and say that Paradise Kiss will probably outshine everything else this season. The pickins are slim yet again. PK has that incredible art at least. I've never read the manga, but I've heard good things. But I do oh so hate SD. God, they use it in EVERYTHING these days! Even the most freaking serious animes. SD is *never* good, imo. What we need is more tragic deaths. Maybe George will accidently run Caroline down in his fancy sports car only minutes after finally realizing that she's the only true love of his life. Now THAT would be worth watching.
Battie
post #53  on October 21, 2005 - 9:30 PM PDT  
!!!!!

Oookay.....Why did I start this thread? It has spiraled out of my control! Lmao.

But yeah... I've finished downloading Paradise Kiss, I'll watch it later this evening along with the Shakugan no Shana. I downloaded part of Ginban for some reason. Totally not finishing that download. I forgot to download Hellgirl, so I'll do that tonight. And I'm also going to download Noein just cuz it sounds interesting...kind of.

Black Cat's second episode severely disappointed me. It had the whole cuteness thing with the sweeper girl, which nearly made me hurl. AND it didn't have anymore overt yaoi tones. *sniffle* I'm better off with Cluster Edge...at least there it's too-cute-to-be-hot boys! I'll follow it for a few more episodes, but if I continue being bored, I may just cry and go back to watching American television. :)

I finished dling Blood ep 2, but I haven't got around to watching it yet. >:P

You guys get too in depth about anime. I had someone tell me that Gilgamesh's animation sucked, but I rather liked it. I just feel confused when people get into detail about animes. :P
Catullus
post #54  on October 21, 2005 - 11:25 PM PDT  
> On October 21, 2005 - 7:29 AM PDT hamano wrote:
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> Actually, I was waiting for someone to appear who can explain the appeal of Suzuka to me... I'd like to know because I watched through episode 3 or 4 and I dropped it after realizing that it wasn't going to bring even a kilobyte of originality to the table.
> ---------------------------------

Hmm originality? probably not... but that hardly means anything. Nothing is new under the sun hamano sensei. I consider Rahxephon to be one of my favorite anime but then I never used originality on those merits.

But yes your fashion anime is a bit eccentric but at its core its nothing new either. But I didn't want to talk about that anymore anyway. Suzuka thats something I actually enjoy and consider to be extremely well done.

Lets see, yes you can pigeonhole suzuka into a sports anime (which is ironic cuz i seem to recall you glowing about battle athletes LOL which I can't even bring myself to watch) however at its very core its a Romantic Triangle Anime. The sports theme is just that, a theme which by itself no one would watch the show. I watch Hajime no Ippo in a large part because of the boxing (but also due to the story and charactes too). I do not watch this show for the track and field at all, Id say next to no one would. The show at its core revolves around relationships.

massive suzuka spoilers to follow
Its really simple Akitsuki is kinda a whimsical guy, pretty laid back and not really into anything special. He sees a girl high jumping and is attracted to her, he then finds out she will not only be living in the same dormitory but also right next door to him. Hes strongly attracted to her and of course he hangs around her as much as he can, he even gets kinda pathetic with it actually doing such things as waiting and listening for the noise of her leaving so he can leave at teh same time and walk to school with her.

Then there is Suzuka... she is hardcore and focused on Track and Field. She trains hard and feels a lot of pressure on herself to do well and meet peoples high expectations of her. She has only liked one guy ever and he died in a car accident a year ago or something. She is pretty hung up on that as far as relationships go and has not gotten over it to this point.

So Akitsuki and Suzuka hang out (she doesn't seem opposed to it but she also doesn't take it that seriously either)and do things like walk to school together and walk home (they eat together with his aunt and her daughter everynight too)
Basically he confesses to Suzuka at episode 4, but since she thinks hes a pretty whimsical guy she thinks firstly that hes joking and that secondly that he can't have developed feelings that fast for her and she then rejects him completely. So the friendship is kinda over at this point and is kinda awkward.

Then there is Honoka who thru a childhood experience gains a long term crush on Akitsuki and she pretty actively pursues him (I actually like her far better than Suzuka) she is very kind and sweet. But she has feelings for Akitsuki and he doesn't become aware of her feelings til later on.

So because during a PE session he beats a freshman star track sprinter in a 50M dash and sets a record one of the track team leaders asks him to join. At first he says no, but later on he decides to join because he wants to be closer to Suzuka. Honoka joins as well to be closer to Akitsuki but as a team manager since she isn't very athletic.

So since Suzuka thinks he wont take track seriously he goes out to prove her wrong and the more success he has the more it irks her and makes her insult him. Eventually after a big blow up and he defends her from this other guy, she starts to warm up to him again. However he walks home from school and overhears the end of a Honoka and Suzuka conversation where Suzuka says she doesn't like akitsuki at all, he doesnt show any reaction to it because he says he knows she doesn't like him. So the track team goes to Akitsukis hometown (coincidence) to train. Honoka kisses him and he becomes aware of her feelings and they end up starting to date. Suzuka seems to be jealous a bit but distant but after Suzuka and Akitsuki (by random chance) end up missing the train they spend time together and it gets kinda romantic and leaves episode 15 on a huge cliffhanger.

This "sports anime" seems to be a bit heavy on the romance/drama/triangle/angst bit. So much so that sometimes you forget theres actually any sports in it.

As for your insult to the animation, its not that bad at all. its decent nothing spectacular nothing horrible. I wouldn't complain about it at all. I happen to like the way the characters are drawn far more than Parakiss and I wouldnt doubt more people would prefer Suzukas style actually as far as character drawings/designs are concerned. Maybe not on some certain yaoi loving fangirl message boards however :P.

Episode 15 there has been 1 track meet and 1 track team practice getaway. Yes its a bit heavy handed on the sports LOL.

I dont really believe you can judge an anime off of 1 ep or 4 eps, sure you can decide if you like it enough to watch any more of it but you cant exactly call it crap or in this case a sports anime without being largely incorrect about certain things. Because I certainly think if you were into sports and hated romance there is no way in hell you would enjoy this anime, heck even if you just liked sports and didn't care about romance at all youd be severely disappointed.

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While that certainly doesn't solve any arguements cuz you could certainly still make a case that its a sports anime however Anidb doesn't classify it as such, its classified as "romance,drama,school,shounen"

I have to agree with that categorization.

Romantic Triangles are probably my favorite kind of anime and manga actually. But I do like lots of different kinds.
Suzuka doesn't do anything groundbreaking but it does have a very intriguing romantic triangle setup... one that my only complaint is that it might be a bit too obvious but maybe it will do a KGNE or Ichigo 100% manga ending. At this point thats what im mainly rooting for but even if he does end up with Suzuka I wont be displeased if theres lots of angst and tears lol.
hamano
post #55  on October 22, 2005 - 8:31 AM PDT  
So basically you guys are saying that Suzuka is a KOR kinda thing with track&field thrown in? I guess I can buy that, with the way they were setting things up. These triangle relationships form the core of many harem anime shows (usually there are only 2 serious contenders for the protagonist male's affections) and dating sim games, so it's certainly an attractive story line for a lot of male anime fans. I'm actually pretty indifferent about triangle relationship situations, so maybe that's why I was so lukewarm on Suzuka.

Generally I seem to prefer shows where the romantic story line is secondary, or even non-existent. Some of my favorite shows have NO male "romantic interest" characters (Battle Athletes, Azumanga Daioh, Maria-sama ga Miteru, Kokoro Library, Ichigo Mashimaro and the current ARIA) which is pretty funny considering I watch a lot of "chick flicks" and Bollywood which are chock full of conventional romance story lines. And I get really annoyed with shows where they force graft a romantic subplot just because there happen to be male and female characters (like they're 6 years old, but they gotta fall in love because one is a boy and the other is a girl?) I guess the whole "romance-themed shounen anime" genre falls flat for me unless there's other stuff going on to keep my interest.... I like shoujo romance shows quite a bit (I liked all the male-female interactions in Honey & Clover).

There's always an exception that proves the rule, so I'll try to remember if I've seen any shounen-targeted romance shows that I've loved (other than Escaflowne, which was kind of a hybrid). Right now I can't think of one off the top of my head. I watched the second episode of ParaKiss and I'm still liking it muchly...
hamano
post #56  on October 22, 2005 - 9:11 AM PDT  
> On October 21, 2005 - 6:34 PM PDT Ayato4me wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> SD is *never* good, imo. What we need is more tragic deaths.

Ha ha.... welcome back, "Divine!" Good of you to join us "lost" old-timers!

SD is actually one of the things about anime that I really LOVE! Sure it's overdone sometimes and outright misused other times, but it's a technique that's pretty unique to the artform, and it's also a nod to anime's graphic roots in manga. Actually, the more SD is used in a way that reminds me of manga, the more I like it. Usually in manga characters SD for a frame or two to do a humorous "aside" or to show an EXTREME emotional state (giant head to show rage, etc.)

I really liked the way SD was used in Super GALS... it was very manga-tic and very funny as well. And I think the use of SD in ParaKiss is VERY interesting (and also very funny). I still think there was some hint at Pom Poko or something with the raccoon that popped up there, and I think there's some meaning in the SD being very 2D and somewhat funky looking. They're certainly aiming for a different idea of "cute". Some really graphically sophisticated anime treats character design as a fluid continuum between "normal" looking and SD designs and usually I find those very amusing as well as interesting.

Sometimes SD is thrown in as a cheap gag or "just because" it's for a humor break in the action. That's what I thought of most of the SD scenes in Loveless (there was absolutely no reason to SD the characters for those lines), and repeated use usually just gets tiresome. They used SD so much in Rayearth I really got sick of it, and the producers of the show probably realized that because they stopped using it about midway through the first season.

As a tool for anime storytelling though, I'm all FOR SD!
Shaky
post #57  on October 22, 2005 - 9:18 AM PDT  
> On October 21, 2005 - 9:30 PM PDT Battie wrote:
> I downloaded part of Ginban for some reason. Totally not finishing that download.
> ---------------------------------

I watched the whole first episode. What a turd. It boggles my mind why they would make the main character so easy to dislike.

> On October 21, 2005 - 11:25 PM PDT Catullus wrote:
> Then there is Honoka who thru a childhood experience gains a long term crush on Akitsuki and she pretty actively pursues him (I actually like her far better than Suzuka) she is very kind and sweet.
> ---------------------------------

I like Honoka also. There's something very strange about the actress' voice that turned me off at first, but which has grown on me to make me like the character more. I think the real reason I like this show is that even though you can see the relationship with Honoka coming from a mile away, it's very satisfying to see Suzuka get screwed over because she was too busy being an evil bitch to figure out her own feelings.

Again, on the harem aspect of it, it really falls away. Early on you have the drunk girls in the dorm, but they all but disappear. You also have Miki make a couple of comments that make it seem as though she likes Akitsuki, but she quickly drops into a role of supporting Suzuka's interest in Akitsuki (while there also appears to be a romance in store for Miki with Akitsuki's blonde playboy friend). What started out looking like a harem really hasn't turned out that way.

To tell the truth, this storyline plays more like a love triangle hentai (with a little more depth) than anything else. I know this won't happen, but it would almost fit the story for Akitsuki to end up getting enough of Suzuka and nailing her in some humiliating way, then leaving her with her own tears while he goes off to be happy with Honoka.

:D
Shaky
post #58  on October 22, 2005 - 9:24 AM PDT  
> On October 22, 2005 - 9:11 AM PDT hamano wrote:
> Sometimes SD is thrown in as a cheap gag or "just because" it's for a humor break in the action... and repeated use usually just gets tiresome.
> ---------------------------------

But see, that's exactly the impression I got of the SD in Parakiss. It didn't seem appropriate to what was going on at the time, and I felt as though it was just being thrown in there to add humor where it wasn't really needed to make up for an otherwise weak story.

SD doesn't bother me in most shows, but I just felt like Parakiss was just too heavy handed.

And no, the Frankenstein haircut didn't look any better when animated. The character looked soooo much better before the fruity hairdresser assaulted her hair.
hamano
post #59  on October 22, 2005 - 9:38 AM PDT  
> On October 22, 2005 - 9:18 AM PDT Shaky wrote:
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> > Ginban for some reason. Totally not finishing that download.
> I watched the whole first episode. What a turd. It boggles my mind why they would make the main character so easy to dislike.

It's basically a show for 10 to 12 year old girls, like Ultra Maniac and Full Moon wo Sagashite. I'm waiting for a cute magical animal sidekick to appear. You can see the story arc from a mile away, the dead aerobatics pilot's spirit helps skater girl achieve her miracle quad jump, romance ensues. My daughter Mao-chan thinks this stuff is pretty amusing..... she's nine.

> To tell the truth, this storyline plays more like a love triangle hentai (with a little more depth) than anything else.

Yeah, that's what I meant by "dating sim game"... I guess for the intended audience the idea of having two fleshed out, interesting characters compete for your attention is the ultimate fantasy. Most good harem shows have the standard cast of female tropes for ecchi comic scenes and moe nurturing scenes, but the serious romantic contenders boil down to 2 female characters, like Naru and Mutsumi in Love Hina or May and Kasumi in Hand Maid May.
hamano
post #60  on October 22, 2005 - 10:28 AM PDT  
> On October 22, 2005 - 9:24 AM PDT Shaky wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> But see, that's exactly the impression I got of the SD in Parakiss. It didn't seem appropriate to what was going on at the time, and I felt as though it was just being thrown in there to add humor where it wasn't really needed to make up for an otherwise weak story.

What I'm getting is a feeling for what Yukari aka Caroline is all about. So far there is a first person narrative structure (I'm certainly not comparing ParaKiss to Days of Heaven but this is a narrative style I happen to like) that frames each episode. My take on this is that all the weird visuals outside of the progression of plot (the SDs, the dream tower toward the beginning of Ep. 1, the cosmic "Cinderella" hallucination in Ep. 2, the transition wipes, and especially the strange creatures that appear before the OP sequence) are all in Yukari's head. What this is leading me to believe is that the protagonist/narrator is not the ordinary high school girl she believes herself to be, and also NOT just the pretty mannequin for their designs that the other characters at ParaKiss believe her to be. I'm hoping that the series is going to show the awakening of some kind of unrecognized artistic potential (and maybe a sense of humor) in Yukari, and the visuals in the show are tied up with that.

OK, maybe I'm wrong and I'm just setting myself up for a huge disappointment... maybe the show is just a stylish vehicle for a romance plot involving George and Caroline. I think dbooher has read the manga, so maybe she can fill us in and spoil it for me.

Either way the show still appeals to my sense of design and style.
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