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New Fansubs!
Topic by: Battie
Posted: October 11, 2005 - 5:35 PM PDT
Last Reply: October 14, 2006 - 4:25 AM PDT

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author topic: New Fansubs!
Battie
post #61  on October 23, 2005 - 1:40 AM PDT  
Hmm...Hellgirl seems alright. Certainly worth watching, though not anything amazing as of yet.

Shakugan no Shana is interesting. It reminds me of the last few episodes of Berserk, Tsukhime Lunar Legend, and something I can't quite figure out. Doesn't really remind me of Elfen Lied, simply because Flame Haze is a meshed evil/good (or just indifferent). Some average animation, and some nice animation!

Paradise Kiss...weeeee! I love you, Hamano. If you hadn't gone on about it, I'd have never considered it. The animation does have an artsy feel to it, and it's very gorgeous. Sometimes it looks REAL. Plus, the whole thing sometimes seems to have a retro American feel. The music, too, which, for once, I really like. >:P Then there's the two bishies, George and the "fruity hairdresser." Muwahahaha! You have to know...that scene between George and him...I nearly died. In a good way! >:P I've been wanting an anime that didn't put sexual tones into a cutesy sort of moment. George saying he was bi did shock me a bit though. >:P But it's all good. ;) And yeah, her hairstyle was better, if you could call it that, before he went to town on her hair.
Shaky
post #62  on October 23, 2005 - 5:12 AM PDT  
> On October 23, 2005 - 1:40 AM PDT Battie wrote:
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> Paradise Kiss... Sometimes it looks REAL.
> ---------------------------------

That's because sometimes it IS real. The animators have taken photographs and live action video, treated the material with filters in the computer and layered it in with the drawn material.

It makes for an interesting contrast, when everything else is drawn so badly.
hamano
post #63  on October 23, 2005 - 6:40 AM PDT  
A new show vaults to the top of my favorites list! Check out Mushi-shi, which has nothing to do with the currently popular kids' game/anime series about bug battling, Mushi-King. In this show the Mushi are creatures that predate both plants and animals on the evolutionary ladder. They're only visible to a few humans, but they can combine to take human form or interact in other ways with the visible world. They seem to understand the fate of the world, and perhaps they act to prevent disasters from occurring. The show is an observation of the invisible world of the Mushi... where their world intersects with ours, things happen which we might call spiritual or supernatural. As such the program has a very quiet, contemplative tone.

The protagonist is a youth named Ginko, who calls himself a Mushi-shi (Mushi-master or Mushician or something) and is able to see them. He wanders around Japan collecting Mushi artifacts, it seems. He doesn't "fight" them so there's not much action in the show. Actually Ginko ends up helping people along the way who have mushi-related problems in their lives.

The drawings/artwork/designs for this show have a lush, tactile substance to them. There are a couple of genuinely eerie moments in the first episode that can't be matched by anything I've seen in Jigokushoujo. The feel of the show and subject matter reminds me of some previous work by Hayao Miyazaki (Totoro, bits of Spirited Away) and I think the producers are also paying homage to the original master of youkai manga/anime, Shigeru Mizuki.

If Mizuki's most famous character, Gegegeh no Kitaro (he's the boy with the yellow/black vest) grew up, don't you think he'd look a lot like Ginko?

(Note on Blood+... ha ha ha... there's a Red Shield agent who is one of Saya's handlers who is named David-san and is drawn to look like the latter day clean cut David Bowie... he's appeared before but he has a big part in Ep. 3... ha ha ha...)
hamano
post #64  on October 23, 2005 - 7:07 AM PDT  
> On October 23, 2005 - 5:12 AM PDT Shaky wrote:
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> It makes for an interesting contrast, when everything else is drawn so badly.

Hee hee... methinks George has poked Shaky up the buttside with his cue a bit. Even if you dislike ParaKiss I don't think you can call the artwork "bad"... and anyone who knows anything about the world of high fashion would understand that a top model can't really have "normal" hair. By cutting Yukari's "normal" bangs (the kind that appeals to the shounen fanboys who like girl-next-door romance anime fantasy-object girls) ParaKiss is challenging the viewer to leave the pedestrian, sterotypical anime ideals of "beauty" behind... by that measure I'd say some of you boys just blinked!

Anyway, I think the show is about Yukari's journey as a creative/artistic person. Will she be "liberated" or "trapped" by the world of her new friends? It'll be a pity if the plot concentrates just on romantic relationships...
Shaky
post #65  on October 23, 2005 - 7:54 AM PDT  
> On October 23, 2005 - 7:07 AM PDT hamano wrote:
> Hee hee... methinks George has poked Shaky up the buttside with his cue a bit. Even if you dislike ParaKiss I don't think you can call the artwork "bad"...
> ---------------------------------

I knew that would ruffle you a bit.

No, there's no doubt that it's drawn well, although there's something about it that is, for lack of a better word, ugly to me. I'm really turned off by the character designs. I'm also bothered a little by the animation, which doesn't seem very smooth at all. The opening sequence is really nice, but as soon as I see people... Bleh.

I'm still willing to give it a chance. I despised Hagu in Honey & Clover at first, but I now consider that show to be among the best I've seen. I didn't like the style of Windy Tales at first either, but by the second episode I was hooked. I'm just about to start episode 2 of Parakiss as I write this, so maybe something will sway me in the other direction.
Shaky
post #66  on October 23, 2005 - 8:35 AM PDT  
Okay, I just watched episode 2 of Parakiss, and I'm confused about something. I was under the impression that Miwako was an elementary school student hanging out with these college kids after school because of her sister's involvement in fashion design. Now I just saw her getting nailed on a table by one of the college boys. That was a little disconcerting until she mentioned knowing one of Yukari's classmates when she was thirteen, so I know now she's at least a teenager.

Is she supposed to be the same age as Yukari? Or older? WTF?

I remember asking when I first saw Honey & Clover if Hagu was really supposed to be an eighteen year old Japanese girl. Is this the same kind of situation? Are there really that many blonde and pink-haired women in Japan who look and sound like prepubescent children?
hamano
post #67  on October 23, 2005 - 1:47 PM PDT  
> On October 23, 2005 - 8:35 AM PDT Shaky wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Okay, I just watched episode 2 of Parakiss, and I'm confused about something. I was under the impression that Miwako was an elementary school student hanging out with these college kids

Nah... I don't know if the fansubbers caught it, but in episode one there's an exchange at the atelier where she's talking to Yukari who says something like, "I'm too busy... I'm preparing for exams.... I gotta get to cram school." Then Miwako says, "Oh, exams, you're in third year (as in HS senior year) too!" My fansubs sub that as, "Are you preparing for your exams?...That's the same like us, right?" so you might have missed that.

Apparently Yazaki School of Design is a design high school and not a college. The people at parakiss (except for Isabella possibly) are all HS seniors there, and the fashion show is their senior project.

That explains how George just got his driver's license... he must be 17 or 18.

The pink dwarf Miwako is actually the younger sister of Mikako who is a working clothes designer now but was also a Yazaki student in the "prequel" manga/anime series, Gokinjo Monogatari. So Miwako is the "Hagu" of this show. Maybe second hand smoke stunted their growth...
Shaky
post #68  on October 23, 2005 - 3:02 PM PDT  
This exchange suddenly popped into my head regarding Ginban:

> On October 22, 2005 - 9:38 AM PDT hamano wrote:
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> > On October 22, 2005 - 9:18 AM PDT Shaky wrote:
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> > I watched the whole first episode. What a turd. It boggles my mind why they would make the main character so easy to dislike.
>
> It's basically a show for 10 to 12 year old girls, like Ultra Maniac and Full Moon wo Sagashite... My daughter Mao-chan thinks this stuff is pretty amusing..... she's nine.
> ---------------------------------

I haven't seen either of those shows. But I DO shamefully admit to being a fan and frequent viewer of Pretty Cure, which I would think is aimed at the same demographic. Precure is a really fun show with likable characters and good story despite being incredibly formulaic. Ginban appears to be the exact opposite.

Thus, I don't think it excuses the failings of Ginban to say that it is aimed at 12 year old girls, when there are obviously other shows aimed at 12 year old girls that are actually watchable (without making me want to punch the monitor whenever I hear an "American" or "Canadian" accent).

So I like Precure and the relationships in Suzuka. Maybe I'm really a 12 year old girl and didn't realize it.

But his brings me to a question Hamano-san might be able to answer about Precure. I was under the impression that "Zakenna!" is a curse of sorts that isn't exactly polite to say. I know I've heard yakuza types in shows say "Zakenna yo!" when upset about something. Yet every episode of Precure has an appearance by an embodiment of evil called Zakenna, who screams "Zakenna!" over and over throughout the fight scenes.

What am I missing here? Is the word really not that bad? Or is it okay in Japan to use foul language in what is obviously a kids' show? Wouldn't that lead to little kids running around school saying "Zakenna! Zakenna!" to the irritation of their teachers, or playing the part of Zakenna against other kids on the playground?

Zakennayo! Wakarimasen!
hamano
post #69  on October 23, 2005 - 3:35 PM PDT  
> On October 23, 2005 - 3:02 PM PDT Shaky wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I haven't seen either of those shows. But I DO shamefully admit to being a fan and frequent viewer of Pretty Cure, which I would think is aimed at the same demographic.

I guess what I'm saying is that for these kinds of shows, mileage varies for an adult male viewer, whereas probably any 10 to 12 year old girl would enjoy these shows pretty indiscriminately (but isn't Precure aimed at 6 to 7 year olds?). I liked Full Moon, but I didn't have the patience to sit through all of Ultra Maniac even though it wasn't too bad.

> So I like Precure and the relationships in Suzuka. Maybe I'm really a 12 year old girl and didn't realize it.

I guess I'll have to be nicer to you now that I know you're littler than Cosplayer... do you still play with dolls? But really, Shaky, it would be a bit unseemly for a 12 year old girl to be jerking off to the dating sim situations in Suzuka... leave that to your big brother Catullus...

> But his brings me to a question Hamano-san might be able to answer about Precure. I was under the impression that "Zakenna!" is a curse of sorts that isn't exactly polite to say.

It IS rather rude, but not any ruder than screaming FART at your teacher. Actually it might be cute to hear 'zakkena coming out of a cute little girl such as yourself. Like those flashbacks when Yankumi is a little girl with glasses and pigtails standing with her arms crossed, one foot on the back of a prostrate boy.

Let's say I was your teacher, and you were my student. This week's assignment for you is to watch every episode of Ginban closely enough to write a thorough plot summary. With proper degree of respect, you might whisper, under your breath, "Fuzakenaidekudasaiyo, hamano-sensei..." "Please don't kid so, Mr. Hamano..."

Fuzakeru is the verb "to kid around"... both verbally and in physical horseplay, but in adults it's usually just verbal.

Now, if I perceived that you were dissing Ginban behind my back, I might yell, "Fuzakeruna! Shaky kore wa benkyou dazo!" or "No kidding! Shaky this is school work!"

Now let's say instead of a nice yet stern teacher, I was wearing my hair slicked back and wore sunglasses and a black suit...

Fuzakenaidekudasai! -->
Fuzakeruna! Kono yarou! -->
'Zakenna, konnyaro!
Catullus
post #70  on October 23, 2005 - 10:39 PM PDT  
> On October 23, 2005 - 3:35 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I guess I'll have to be nicer to you now that I know you're littler than Cosplayer... do you still play with dolls? But really, Shaky, it would be a bit unseemly for a 12 year old girl to be jerking off to the dating sim situations in Suzuka... leave that to your big brother Catullus...
> ---------------------------------

LOL I dont know why you came out and said that, couldn't be further from the truth but heh I could care less as you dont really know much about me anyway.

But then again im not the one into a fashion themed anime with many very yaoi characters... i mean seriously I dont see how you can try to make fun of anyone... dubyaTeeEf!!!?

Heh I even have the first 10 eps of Futari Wa Precure... can't say as I like it as I haven't watched more than 2 eps or made efforts to get more but I dont dislike it either.
hamano
post #71  on October 24, 2005 - 7:34 AM PDT  
> On October 23, 2005 - 10:39 PM PDT Catullus wrote:
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> LOL I dont know why you came out and said that, couldn't be further from the truth

OK, so you're not jerking off... what's the opposite? So you are... sitting on the couch watching Suzuka with a pink handkerchief clutched in your little hands, sobbing every time the love affair takes a wrong turn? "Ohhhh.... Akitsuki-sama, you are SO wrong about how Honoka feels!"

> i mean seriously I dont see how you can try to make fun of anyone... dubyaTeeEf!!!?

I'm not seriously making fun of anyone! And I invite you to not seriously make fun of me! We're talking about anime, here, right? I've made sure everyone knows where I'm coming from so they can judge my reviews according to what they know about my preferences, prejudices and predispositions... I'm not trying to hide whether I'm jerking off or sobbing like a baby or smiling like a moron while I watch these things, and if I don't like a show that a lot of other people seem to like, I won't JUST trash talk it... I'll try to find out why other people like it and if I still think the show stinks I'll have some pretty good reasons thought out to back me up.

I think if you're looking for good anime to watch, it helps to read reviews that say why the reviewer liked or disliked a show that can be compared to what others are saying or what you thought of the first episode. If you just see "this was friggin' awesome!" then it helps to know something about the reviewer's background. What isn't helpful is a long string of one word or one sentence reviews by people you don't know much about.

Anything I find out about you or why you liked or disliked a certain show will help me refine how much I rely on your anime reviews and recommendations in the future, that's all.
^_^
Shaky
post #72  on October 24, 2005 - 11:38 AM PDT  
I got so caught up in the confusion over the high school boy nailing the pink-haired eleven year old on the table that I failed to update my impressions of Parakiss.

First, I have to say that the OP song is stuck in my head. It's really a nice song, and I think I'm going to have to download it.

But more importantly, I thought episode two wasn't nearly as heavy-handed with all the extraneous visual elements. It seemed like the first episode was screaming "LOOK AT OUR COOL VISUAL STYLE!! LOOK AT IT!! FOR GOD'S SAKE LOOK AT IT!!!" With the second episode, they seem to have realized they need to tell a story, and that strange transitions and gratuitous SD aren't going to carry the show. It's settling into a feel similar to Beck (which I liked up until the wholly unsatisfying ending), only with uglier character designs. Beck had some ugly secondary characters, but lines around the eyes and in the brows of the characters in Parakiss make them seem hard, tired and much less physically appealing.

Plus, the Frankenhair is still bad, and Miwako's pink curls just look stupid. These kids are supposed to have fashion sense?
Battie
post #73  on October 24, 2005 - 2:43 PM PDT  
> On October 24, 2005 - 11:38 AM PDT Shaky wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I got so caught up in the confusion over the high school boy nailing the pink-haired eleven year old on the table that I failed to update my impressions of Parakiss.
>
> First, I have to say that the OP song is stuck in my head. It's really a nice song, and I think I'm going to have to download it.
>
> But more importantly, I thought episode two wasn't nearly as heavy-handed with all the extraneous visual elements. It seemed like the first episode was screaming "LOOK AT OUR COOL VISUAL STYLE!! LOOK AT IT!! FOR GOD'S SAKE LOOK AT IT!!!" With the second episode, they seem to have realized they need to tell a story, and that strange transitions and gratuitous SD aren't going to carry the show. It's settling into a feel similar to Beck (which I liked up until the wholly unsatisfying ending), only with uglier character designs. Beck had some ugly secondary characters, but lines around the eyes and in the brows of the characters in Parakiss make them seem hard, tired and much less physically appealing.
>
> Plus, the Frankenhair is still bad, and Miwako's pink curls just look stupid. These kids are supposed to have fashion sense?
> ---------------------------------

Hahaha. Yeah, the SD is irritating, but I wonder if perhaps it was also meant to be a contrast to the otherwise detailed animation.

And you're right, they do look a little hard, but at the same time, slightly, JUST slightly, more realistic than many anime characters. Paradise Kiss seems to, at least in my opinion, take some style from American animation.

Shaky, you and your concern of the pink-haired kid being nailed on the pool table just cracks me up. >:P

And yeah, the OP...I usually have Japanese pop, but this song I downloaded. >_< The ending song...erm, I could swear I've heart it before. Reminds me of The Killers, I think.

I'm actually enjoying this series a lot so far. I can honestly, HONESTLY, say that there isn't an anime out there that I've watched immediately after downloading it. >_< I guess I was just in the mood for an anime with romance in it, but without making it overly comedic or cutesy. >:P

Reminds me of an interesting term I found.. josei. Not real sure Paradise Kiss falls into that category...but it darn sure seems like it. :)
hamano
post #74  on October 24, 2005 - 2:49 PM PDT  
> On October 24, 2005 - 11:38 AM PDT Shaky wrote:
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> Plus, the Frankenhair is still bad, and Miwako's pink curls just look stupid. These kids are supposed to have fashion sense?

Japanese fashion sense, Shaky!

Street Fashions from the JFA... click on the "neighborhood" links at the top right (Shibuya, Harajuku, etc.) for pictures.

Tokyo teens... click on the square picture for the slide show.

I like the way this article chose these 2 photos to represent "what to see in Harajuku."

Hit the streets!

I like the OP song, too... Early 80s vintage new wave synth pop done anime style?
hamano
post #75  on October 24, 2005 - 2:55 PM PDT  
> On October 24, 2005 - 2:43 PM PDT Battie wrote:
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> Reminds me of an interesting term I found.. josei.

You mean Josei and the Pussycats?
^_^
hamano
post #76  on October 24, 2005 - 3:20 PM PDT  
Have y'all checked out Mushi-Shi yet? C1 just put out the first fansub and it's pretty good. There's a lot of difficult Japanese in there.
pooja
post #77  on October 24, 2005 - 4:09 PM PDT  
> On October 24, 2005 - 2:49 PM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Hit the streets!

Ooh, I like this page... very interesting. Are these kids? High school or college? It's hard for me to tell. Why is there so much emphasis on what their cell phones look like? Is that the big fashion accessory over there?

hamano
post #78  on October 24, 2005 - 4:37 PM PDT  
> On October 24, 2005 - 11:38 AM PDT Shaky wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Plus, the Frankenhair is still bad

The original Frankenhair was Sayoko Yamaguchi, Japan's greatest fashion model... She has a starring role in Seijun Suzuki's Pistol Opera and the weird thing is that in the film she looks almost exactly like how she usually looks. She's in her mid-50s now...

Sayoko 2
Sayoko 3
Ayato4me
post #79  on October 25, 2005 - 4:22 PM PDT  
> On October 24, 2005 - 2:49 PM PDT hamano wrote:
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> Tokyo teens... click on the square picture for the slide show.
>
> ---------------------------------

In a really strange coincidence, I was browsing at the local Borders during my lunch break today (what anorexic geeks do for lunch) and just randomly picked up a book that was full of picks of weird-assed looking Japanese kids in Tokyo just like the ones in that above link. Only weirder, if you can imagine that. Anyway... no point in that comment really.

I'm still holding out for Noein even though hamano thinks it's going to suck. That scares me a little cause hammy usually likes the shows that I like (and many, many more that I would never waste forming synapses over).

Ep 2 of Parakiss was more of the same. Good, but not great. For some reason, it kinda turns me off that George is bi. I like ambiguous charaters in shounen-ai manga, but I don't find a gay guy after a girl very romantic. Maybe that's my 1990's anti-HIV brainwashing speaking, I don't know.

Black Cat still isn't doing it for me. I'm going to try Mushi-shi tonite and report back.
Battie
post #80  on October 25, 2005 - 4:56 PM PDT  
> On October 25, 2005 - 4:22 PM PDT Ayato4me wrote:
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> I'm still holding out for Noein even though hamano thinks it's going to suck. That scares me a little cause hammy usually likes the shows that I like (and many, many more that I would never waste forming synapses over).
>
> Ep 2 of Parakiss was more of the same. Good, but not great. For some reason, it kinda turns me off that George is bi. I like ambiguous charaters in shounen-ai manga, but I don't find a gay guy after a girl very romantic. Maybe that's my 1990's anti-HIV brainwashing speaking, I don't know.
>
> Black Cat still isn't doing it for me. I'm going to try Mushi-shi tonite and report back.
>
> ---------------------------------

I've yet to watch Black Cat ep 3. I'm afraid it'll suck worse. I got a friend of mine to watch Mushi-shi and he said it looked like it MIGHT be good.

Noein..well, if anyone subs it, I'll watch. >:P

As for George...him being bi DOES do it for me, but then...I was happily the proofreader on the February part of this.
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