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New Fansubs!
Topic by: Battie
Posted: October 11, 2005 - 5:35 PM PDT
Last Reply: October 14, 2006 - 4:25 AM PDT

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hamano
post #141  on November 6, 2005 - 7:34 PM PST  
> On November 6, 2005 - 6:03 PM PST Shaky wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> But I'm still convinced it's based on rods. Rods are supposed to be these mysterious creatures that can't be seen by the naked eye but sometimes show up in photographs.

Nyah, I still think you're wrong... only a few of the mushi that appeared in the first episode were airborne, and many of the ones that have appeared since then look like worms or snails/slugs and stuff like that.

The character for mushi as in "bugs" or "insects" is this one. The one used for Mushi-shi is this one which is a rarely used character that refers to creatures which include not just bugs, but snakes, lizards, worms, leeches, spiders, mites, centipedes, millepedes, microscopic parasites, and other such "lower forms of life" as well. If you google that character for related images you'll also see that there are strong supernatural connotations to the character, too. The creatures in Nausicaa were also called "mushi" using this character, with the Ohmu written as "king-mushi". The "mushi" in Mushi-shi often become parasitic on humans, and as far as I know this is not a characteristic of RODS at all (unless you call becoming an obsessive believer a form of parasitism)... Even if intelligence has been ascribed to RODS, I don't think you can point to a situation where a congregation of RODS invited a person to sit and drink sake with them, while such situations are common in Japanese folklore (banquets held by ghosts, youkai, tanuki, foxes, mice, sparrows, etc). Furthermore, in Mushi-shi, there is no reference to mushi ever having appeared in photographs or videotape, which was a major plot point in Zettai Shounen. So I don't think you can make the case that mushi are inspired by RODS.

I think any plot inspired by RODS would have a fairly strong "urban mythology" or "urban legends" flavor to it, which Zettai Shounen certainly has, but is completely absent in Mushi-shi. I would also postulate that there is no connotation of "infestation" in reference to RODS, although that certainly seems to be the case with mushi.

Oh, there IS one instance in which RODS can be "mushi"... in biology it's a term to describe the shape of one type of microbes or bacteria....
hamano
post #142  on November 6, 2005 - 8:06 PM PST  
> On October 27, 2005 - 11:08 AM PDT hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> WARNING! MILD SPOILERAGE FOR CAPETA
> > Despite Hamano's "don't bother" recommendation, I kinda liked Capeta.
> > It's a sports anime about a boy and his dad connecting through go-kart racing.
>
> It's a sweet enough show, and I might keep downloading it for the kids. But take "go-kart" out of your summary and replace it with "downhill street" and you get what? Initial D.

If you watch Ep. 3 of CAPETA carefully, an old friend makes a cameo appearance in a scene where cars are being waved past a paving job Capeta's dad is working on. Hadn't seen him since episode one of School Rumble...

Here's a picture of the real thing by the way... The Levin and Trueno were basically identical cars (Toyota Corollas), but only the Truenos had flip up headlights.
Shaky
post #143  on November 6, 2005 - 8:23 PM PST  
> On November 6, 2005 - 7:34 PM PST hamano wrote:
> Furthermore, in Mushi-shi, there is no reference to mushi ever having appeared in photographs or videotape, which was a major plot point in Zettai Shounen.
> ---------------------------------

Actually, it was backwards in Zettai Shounen. The lights in wouldn't show up on camera, but became visible to the naked eye for everyone in the town. There was only one photo allegedly depicting one of the lights, taken by a cellphone camera and of dubious authenticity. The rest of them were seen by human eyes or in reflections. Besides, the physical appearance of the things in Zettai Shounen don't resemble rods in the slightest.

The rest of what you said about Mushi Shi doesn't really argue against the whole thing being based on rods. My view is that the creators of the series took the idea and ran with it, drawing on specific cultural references to make the story distinctly Japanese. The Japanese historically have been good at borrowing outside ideas and making them their own.

A reverse of that would be my brother's take on what Abe no Seimei was. Seimei was supposed to have lived abnormally long and had knowledge his contemporaries didn't. My brother creatively puts him in the context of a race of people living in the mountains of Tibet who are the source of the Illuminati and Atlantis myths, and who are supposed to have had advanced technology and sent representatives into society throughout history to guide it. There are several other people who have shown up in history at times when they're supposed to have been too old to be alive. One in particular was a European who was supposed to have not aged for more than 200 years.

Seimei can fit right into that mythology and can be explained in European or intercontinental terms, having simply been the representative sent to Japan to advise the Emperors. Likewise, rods can fit with an existing body of loosely connected Japanese ideas about supernatural phenomena like Fox spirits and demons to create a more cohesive whole. When rods are imposed upon the picture, those Fox spirit rituals out in the forest weren't really foxes, but mushi, the same phenomenon that Americans see as rods but lack the spiritual connections to understand. I imagine that in the world of Mushi Shi, Native American or Australian Aborigine rituals involving the spirit world were really ways to commune with mushi.

Yet without the idea of rods being the seed of the story, you simply would have been left with Fox rituals and hauntings by ghosts and demons. The creators of this story took a new idea and expanded on it, reworking old myths along the way to fit their new mythology.
hamano
post #144  on November 7, 2005 - 8:22 AM PST  
> On November 6, 2005 - 8:23 PM PST Shaky wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Actually, it was backwards in Zettai Shounen. The lights in wouldn't show up on camera, but became visible to the naked eye for everyone in the town.

Exactly! That's a time worn narrative device for incorporating something real into the context of a fictional narrative, reversing or changing a major characteristic. Sure the thingies in ZS turned out NOT to be RODS, but the authors made a point of comparing them to RODS which to me is a clear indication they were inspired by ROD stories at least partially. They just made their version even harder to photograph (you have to catch them in an image as a reflection in someone or something's eyes...)

> Besides, the physical appearance of the things in Zettai Shounen don't resemble rods in the slightest.

What is the physical appearance of RODS? All I've found are images that are transparent/semi-transparent possibly with little frills along the sides that are vaguely hot dog shaped, like some of these. Also, are there stories of ROD encounters that go beyond mere sightings?

> The rest of what you said about Mushi Shi doesn't really argue against the whole thing being based on rods.

I'm just saying there's a lot in Mushi-shi that derives from previously existing literature and imagery, while there is nothing, or very little, that indicates a RODS connection. But this conversation is fascinating because it reminds me from scenes in the X-Files or Surface where the protagonists encounter UFOlogy or cryptozoology crackpots who come off as being "crazier than Mulder"... the depth of your belief that Mushi-shi was inspired by RODS is interesting. And hopefully I'll learn more about RODS from this discussion...

> My view is that the creators of the series took the idea and ran with it

And what led you to this view? The ROD that's been living in your pineal gland for the past couple of years whispered it to you?
*_&

> A reverse of that would be my brother's take on what Abe no Seimei was. Seimei was supposed to have lived abnormally long and had knowledge his contemporaries didn't.

> Seimei can fit right into that mythology and can be explained in European or intercontinental terms, having simply been the representative sent to Japan to advise the Emperors. Likewise, rods can fit with an existing body of loosely connected Japanese ideas about supernatural phenomena like Fox spirits and demons to create a more cohesive whole.

How is that a reverse then? Or are you just testing us to make sure we're paying attention? Seimei also fits into whole slews of existing literature about semi-divine beings (tenjin etc.) and wise immortals (Chinese legends about sennin, etc.). We can make up new mythologies or try to fit outside beings into existing ones... it's an interesting exercise, but won't go much beyond speculation until you put it in a comic book (League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) or something. Personally I like the "Seimei was an alien" theory...

> I imagine that in the world of Mushi Shi, Native American or Australian Aborigine rituals involving the spirit world were really ways to commune with mushi.

If we're gonna imagine a "World of Mushi" of which RODS are a part, I've already suggested that a few posts back. That makes perfect sense to me. However, I think it's on a speculative level, because I really don't see any connection between the Mushi and RODS, either as a part of the "world" in the anime, or as one of the things outside the manga/anime that inspired the authors.

> Yet without the idea of rods being the seed of the story, you simply would have been left with Fox rituals and hauntings by ghosts and demons.

I don't think so... most Westerners aren't so aware of the depth of animism in Japan and other Asian countries. Foxes, ghosts and demons are the megafauna of the Japanese supernatural world, but what's not so often mentioned are the little sprites and hidden creatures that explain even really mundane events in everyday lives... a object rolling along the ground could easily be explained by a breeze, but the Japanese bother to imagine some invisible creature that do nothing but roll small objects along the ground. Anime has really latched on to using these little thingies to enrich the visual textures of the worlds they depict. As little sprites or youkai they inhabit the background texture of shows with elements of the supernatural (Princess Mononoke, Kami-chu, Mahoushoujotai Arusu etc.) and as mutants they add textural depth to SF works like Nausicaa (the insectoid creatures that seem to be everywhere). I really don't see the necessity of RODS as a "seed" for Mushi-shi, or any real evidence that they actually were.

> The creators of this story took a new idea and expanded on it, reworking old myths along the way to fit their new mythology.

Mmmm... I still don't see it... If you could supply more evidence that actually happened it would be interesting. But based on what you've said I think I could more easily be convinced that Mushi-shi was inspired by Star Wars and Jedi Knights, with all that stuff about midi-chlorians infesting human bodies and manifesting them with various degrees of the supernatural "Force." It just doesn't make any sense to me that the roots of Mushi-shi's understated and contemplative view of the supernatural world has a basis in something cultish/faddish like RODS.

FYI, if I do a google search for "rods" and "zettai shounen" in Japanese, I get almost 300 hits, some of them on official sites or with legitimate articles. Doing a similar search with "rods" and "mushi-shi" turns up 35 hits with fairly weak correlations between the keywords, and all of the top hits are non-professional blog entries or forum postings (like the one we're doing here!). So far as I can tell, no one officially connected with the Mushi-shi show has mentioned RODS.

You know, I wouldn't be so concerned if you hadn't mentioned that the RODS connection was an obstacle for enjoying Mushi-shi... To me the appearance of the mushi was obviously inspired by naturalists' drawings and microscopic photography of various lower life forms like jellies and flatfish and tapeworms and such, but that hasn't been an obstacle for me going along with the supernatural world of the mushi.

Also, I'm usually not literally scared by anything I see in fictional movies or TV shows, but I find the depth of "horror" in Mushi-shi to be more resonant than whatever scares they try to come up with in ostensibly "horror" genre shows like HellGirl. For example, I got quite a chill out of the second episode of Mushi-shi thinking about what the story implied about the nature of addiction, and the consequences. The imagery they used in connection with that theme was quite effective and compelling.
hamano
post #145  on November 7, 2005 - 10:20 AM PST  
Just a note for fellow anime music fans...

Youko Takahashi, who sings the ED song for Shakugan no Shana recently uploaded by nipponsei, is the one who sang the OP song for NGE (Zankoku na Tenshi no TEEZE)! So that's where you heard her voice before! She also sang Tamashii no Rururan on the NGE soundtrack.
DBooher
post #146  on November 7, 2005 - 10:38 AM PST  
> On November 6, 2005 - 2:39 PM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Oh, Shaky, kick her when she's down, why don't you? Poor DBoo.
>
Hahaha!

Sensei, You started it. :P

But no, mean boys dont phaze me, since most of the guys I know are a bunch of mean-spirited asses. Ever do teamspeak with Battlefield? Holy crap those guys so funny--but mean as all hell. Why are nerds guys so mean? Because they don't get any? Maybe we should have one enlighten us. Shaky? >D

No, I based my Beck break down on ep one. I tend to do that, watch the first episode then fly off to review it. As I got further into it, I saw that their engrish wasn't spot on. But OMG, it's so much better than in everything else I've ever watched ever. Ever. And I still applaud how close they come to getting it right. you wanna see Engrish--watch to the middle of Hana Yori Dango where they can't even pronounce the words. I give them credit for at least pronunciation.

Paradise Kiss--better play out like the manga. i. e. I better see some hot mad steamy love makin in the next three episodes...that's right I said it.


hamano
post #147  on November 7, 2005 - 1:33 PM PST  
> On November 7, 2005 - 10:38 AM PST DBooher wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Sensei, You started it. :P

But I'm one of those tough anime gym sensei coaches! You know, with the mirror sunglasses! Two more laps around the track, Boo-ko-chan!

> Why are nerds guys so mean? Because they don't get any? Maybe we should have one enlighten us.
> I better see some hot mad steamy love makin in the next three episodes...that's right I said it.

Hmm... sounds like you can enlighten us as well... not getting enough at home, eh? I don't know if ParaKiss the Anime is going to go so PG-13 or R all of a sudden. Honey&Clover didn't...

Has anyone watched Boondocks on Adult Swim? Does it work as anime? It sounds like another dud, like that Everyone Hates Chris thing on live TV.
DBooher
post #148  on November 7, 2005 - 9:13 PM PST  
> On November 7, 2005 - 1:33 PM PST hamano wrote:

>Has anyone watched Boondocks on Adult Swim? Does it work as anime? It sounds like another dud, like that Everyone Hates Chris thing on live TV.
> ---------------------------------
OMG. I died. It so works. And it is so damn funny. I wasn't really interested in it, as I am never too fond of Americanized anime. It always seems to try so hard--but this works, for me anyway.


Hmm... sounds like you can enlighten us as well... not getting enough at home, eh?

Pffft! Yeah.
No, but, I like my anime a certain way. I've been over this before. Remember sensei? Gettin up in years are ye? ^_^

I don't know if ParaKiss the Anime is going to go so PG-13 or R all of a sudden. Honey&Clover didn't...

Don't kill my dreams!!!!
Ayato4me
post #149  on November 8, 2005 - 3:27 PM PST  
> On November 7, 2005 - 9:13 PM PST DBooher wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On November 7, 2005 - 1:33 PM PST hammy wrote:
>
> >Has anyone watched Boondocks on Adult Swim? Does it work as anime? It sounds like another dud, like that Everyone Hates Chris thing on live TV.
> > ---------------------------------
> OMG. I died. It so works. And it is so damn funny. I wasn't really interested in it, as I am never too fond of Americanized anime. It always seems to try so hard--but this works, for me anyway.
>------------------------------------

I watched part of an ep this weekend. What I saw of it was pretty funny.

> > On November 7, 2005 - 1:33 PM PST hammy wrote:
>----------------------------------
> I don't know if ParaKiss the Anime is going to go so PG-13 or R all of a sudden. Honey&Clover didn't...
>
> ---------------------------------

I know! I was totaly looking forward to that Hagu x Morita x Takemoto three-some too! SOooo disappointed!

hamano
post #150  on November 8, 2005 - 7:00 PM PST  
> On November 8, 2005 - 3:27 PM PST Ayato4me wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I know! I was totaly looking forward to that Hagu x Morita x Takemoto three-some too! SOooo disappointed!

Eeew, eeew, that's gross. I was waiting for the Yamada+Rika+Mayama threesome. Who wants to see Hagu nekkid? It's bad enough we have to watch Arashi bang Miwako in ParaKiss.

I guess either way it's a freak show.... either you have a midget act or an act with a scarred cripple.

The only normal (and ACTUAL) threesome was the Rika+Harada+Prof.Hanamoto thing back in their college days, and that didn't get very graphic... very tastefully done, unfortunately.
Battie
post #151  on November 9, 2005 - 12:23 AM PST  
> On November 7, 2005 - 9:13 PM PST DBooher wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> OMG. I died. It so works. And it is so damn funny. I wasn't really interested in it, as I am never too fond of Americanized anime. It always seems to try so hard--but this works, for me anyway.
>

Yeah, I'm going to agree. It's got a lot more depth, and humor, than Everybody Hates Chris.

> I don't know if ParaKiss the Anime is going to go so PG-13 or R all of a sudden. Honey&Clover didn't...
>

I didn't read the manga, but it got a wee bit steamy in ep 3. Not VERY...but a wee bit. If that's as far as it goes...I may cry.

So inform me, how'd the manga go? And was there REALLY a threesome?????
DBooher
post #152  on November 9, 2005 - 7:52 AM PST  
> On November 9, 2005 - 12:23 AM PST Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> I didn't read the manga, but it got a wee bit steamy in ep 3. Not VERY...but a wee bit. If that's as far as it goes...I may cry.
>
> So inform me, how'd the manga go? And was there REALLY a threesome?????
> ---------------------------------

Yes Yes.

I too am curious.

sits and eagarly awaits answer
hamano
post #153  on November 11, 2005 - 8:15 AM PST  
> On November 6, 2005 - 2:39 PM PST hamano wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Karin Episode 1
>
> This is a new gag comedy Gakuen-setting vampire series with kawaii/ecchi overtones. The main character, Karin, lives in a big Western style mansion with her family. They're all normal vampires and sleep through the day. She's a freak... she can withstand sunlight and so she goes to a regular Japanese high school. What's really freaky about her is that she "gives" blood (she takes some blood too, but not as much as she "gives")... so when she gets excited or something, she bleeds all over the place like she has ebola. So far there's nothing offensively bad about this show, and it's kinda cute. It's not as loli/moe as Tsukiyomi Moon Phase was. Not as bloody or over-the-top as Dokuro-chan.

A little clarification on Karin after viewing episode 2. Apparently Karin doesn't need to take blood at all, since she produces so much. However, she is psychically attracted to people who are depressed, sad or perhaps ill. When she bites her "victim" Karin is actually transfusing HER blood into him/her (I guess she's O negative...) and the person suddenly becomes genki!

Karin has a bishie older brother who is a playboy type, and won't take blood from men. He prefers the taste of blood from beautiful women who are "stressed out"...

Karin's little sister is a goth 5th grader who hasn't yet tasted blood. She's a master at controlling bats, and uses them to follow Karin around to keep her out of trouble. She has a hand puppet which she uses to torment Karin with sarcastic remarks. I wonder where this nasty hand-puppet trope came from? There was one in Mahoraba Heartful Days and also last season's Gokujo Seitokai. I wonder if Japanese manga-ka were influenced by Triumph the Insult Comic Dog...

Karin firmly stepped into the Ecchi-anime genre with the new OP sequence which was absent from the pilot episode. The show shares core creative personnel with Little Snow Fairy Sugar (and Hand Maid May, Mahoraba, etc.) so the cute/ecchi pedigree of the show is pretty promising.
Battie
post #154  on November 14, 2005 - 8:15 AM PST  
C'mon! Someone tell me! Was there REALLY a threesome in the manga of Parakiss?

Btw, I found the EP (is that the right term for the end song?). Do You Want To by Franz Ferdinand. It's fitting, lol. (The band has some homo-erotic songs. >:P)
Battie
post #155  on November 15, 2005 - 9:24 PM PST  
> On November 14, 2005 - 8:15 AM PST Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> C'mon! Someone tell me! Was there REALLY a threesome in the manga of Parakiss?
> ---------------------------------

Someone must be dosing ME with crack! I read something wrong somewhere...the threesome comment was about Honey & Clover!

I'm having sooo many blonde moments lately. I nearly walked out of the grocery store today without paying for two pkgs of hamburger meat, not to mention the nasty scrape I put on the side of my car.


But back to fansubs...I'm not really sure what to make of Solty Rei. Think I've gotten up to four. The plots seems somewhat interesting, but every time they switch to the cutesy stuff, I lose interest. Which is often.

Cluster Edge...last episode I saw, 3 or 4, ended right before a "climatic battle," so I am intent on watching at least that much. Plus the weird thing with the dark-haired kid bears watching...but the series as a whole is kinda boring. Cutesy is sooo not my thing. Hah...Black Cat. Yeah.

This season is kinda disappointing for me for fansubs. Parakiss, Shakugan no Shana, and Blood are really the only ones that really have my attention...and Parakiss is the only one I'd cry over if they stopped subbing any of em. I'd sob, in fact. Oh, and Noein! But what's up with AnimeSuki never having a torrent for Noein??
Shaky
post #156  on November 16, 2005 - 4:27 AM PST  
> On November 15, 2005 - 9:24 PM PST Battie wrote:
> But what's up with AnimeSuki never having a torrent for Noein??
> ---------------------------------

Noein is distributed by Media Factory. Media Factory sent a letter a while back to a number of bittorrent listing sites telling them not to list their shows. Media Factory doesn't have much recourse against someone who ignores them, since there's no licensing agreement in this jurisdiction; but many listings sites, including AnimeSuki, have decided to honor their request anyway.

Just get 'em off Toshokan.
Catullus
post #157  on November 16, 2005 - 5:00 AM PST  
on a mostly unrelated note to most of the discussion I ended up watching lonely in gorgeous pv (Parakiss op song) wow, besides being the most absurd video (in a bad way) it really doesn't fit the song at all and has very bad lip synching.

Whats good about it? the girl who apparently sings it is smoking fanfreakingtastically hot. Oh and the cops eating donuts part made me laugh (yes there are cops in the video and they eat donuts absurd isn't it?) o.O Anyway shes hot, she probably can't sing in real life judging by how much her voice in the song is distorted but her being hot makes up for it by a lot, that and I do like the song.

So what is there to learn from this inane rambling?

ZOMG
Hot

/drool
hamano
post #158  on November 16, 2005 - 6:46 AM PST  
> On November 16, 2005 - 5:00 AM PST Catullus wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Whats good about it? the girl who apparently sings it is smoking fanfreakingtastically hot.
> /drool

You really think so? That's Tomoko Kawase... looks like the "girl next-door type." Actually she looks like a friend of my aunt's. Except for the dye job...

Here are more pictures of her. Some of them are not her, but it's obvious which ones are. Personally I think DBooher is much hotter.
hamano
post #159  on November 16, 2005 - 7:08 AM PST  
I guess I can see the attraction... I used to think Lisa Loeb was kinda cute. And Nana Mouskouri was a hottie back when I was a kid... it's the nerd-chic thing, I guess.

Tomoko Kawase

Lisa Loeb

More Lisa Loeb

Nana Mouskouri
hamano
post #160  on November 16, 2005 - 9:17 AM PST  
Battie, just go straight to Shinsen-subs bt tracker site directly for NOEIN. Blood+ and Solty Rei are there, too.

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