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Topic by: Battie
Posted: July 21, 2007 - 11:50 AM PDT
Last Reply: December 4, 2007 - 7:19 PM PST

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Battie
post #21  on July 23, 2007 - 8:27 AM PDT  
I admit to some amazement. With the Linux OS running, System Monitor, WIne running uTorrent and downloading at about 150kb/s and uploading at 30kb/s, music playing in Listen and Gaim open...I was still only using between 30% and 50% os my CPU. Mostly around 35%! Ram was at about 80-90 MBs...Jeeeez. Definitely a very, very large point in Ubuntu's favor.

On ME, I could only run uTorrent at night because it'd use up all my CPU and/or RAM. O_O Forget trying to use any other programs while it was downloading something. HA. Mind, we'll see how good uTorrent runs on Linux once I get a fansub that hits my max bandwidth. If it still runs like it's not doing anything, I'd say XP will forever be reduced to just running games that *refuse* to run on Linux. :)


Unfortunately, I just deleted the main Panel in Ubuntu. The one that has the Applications Menu, etc. O_O Now I have to figure out how to get it back. >_> Grf.
Battie
post #22  on July 23, 2007 - 10:16 AM PDT  
Got the panel back. :) I also tweaked it a bit. I even moved it to beneath the bottom panel, weee. They need a half-panel! Googly eyes, hehe. I'll take them off later cuz they're an unnecessary use of resources, but for now... *makes the googly eyes cross and giggles*

Wanda the Fish says: You will be run over by a bus.
Cugat
post #23  on July 23, 2007 - 3:24 PM PDT  
> On July 23, 2007 - 6:42 AM PDT Battie wrote:
> > On July 22, 2007 - 7:36 PM PDT Cugat wrote:
> > Here and Here
> >
> > ... looks like the right path
>
> Nice. I did actually find the install guide in Ubuntu's community documentation. :)

Thats how far behind I am, I didn't think to consider wether there was some form of centralized documentation. :-)

> > I really would look into copying everything out, making it a more Linuxy filesystem and putting it back.
>
> Well, I'd need space to do that and right now I don't have an extra 70gigs lying around.

Yeah, always a stumbling point.

> > Through top or maybe some friendlier GUI version of it you can kill just about any process you want, and if it leaves a husk behind (though probably because something worth rebooting about has seized up), it should get swapped out to VM in short enough order.
>
> Oh, I know. But since I'm new to Linux, I'm rarely sure which process is *okay* to kill. ;P

Well, if you run top as your normal user, you can't kill important system stuff.

Also it shows CPU use, so if you see something reaching for 100% you can smite it if you think its being an idiot.

> > Hmm, I forgot about that, my discs didn't squeeze their way in before Sunday.
>
> I ended up falling asleep before watching anything. >:|

Hoping they reach me today.

> > XP eats more more RAM than ME I'd assume.
>
> Yeah, it does. But with 1-2gigs of RAM and AMD dual-core 4800+, I should be able to run it without issue. I ran it all right with only 256mb ram and VM. Except playing some games could make my system scream.

Oh, on a new system its easily sane.

> > I haven't heard much about multicore changing how well Wine works.
>
> I meant in relation to resource usage.

I don't expect it to anywhere near double its use. :-)

Multicore is supposed to be a nice boost to responsiveness, just generally. I'm far enough behind that I don't think I've ever touched such a system yet. :-)

> > Synaptic is pretty awesome once a good selection of stuff is available in it (always used the commandline "aptitude" myself, pretty much the same though).
>
> Yeah, I prefer apt-get install myself. :) BUt Synaptic is useful when I need a program but don't know the name of it. Like a good music player...I've settles on Listen.

One thing I used to do, was use a synapticy like program to see what new apps make themselves available in the repositories. (now I use Gentoo Linux, not as fun IMO)

> > I actually wonder wether allowing anything under sudo is that much different than just leaving the root account open and passwordless to local users. A malicious script only needs five more characters in it to wreak havok, unless I've not been paying attention to sudo's security feature list...
>
> Well, sudo requires your password. It may not be incredibly secure, but a script would either have to know your password or be able to guess it. Or watch you until you entered it?

Ahh, k, I recalled one of its features was passwordless operation, which it what would make it a convenience over su (see Knoppix for that mode of operation). Horse of a different color and all.


> I admit to some amazement. With the Linux OS running, System Monitor, WIne running uTorrent and downloading at about 150kb/s and uploading at 30kb/s, music playing in Listen and Gaim open...I was still only using between 30% and 50% os my CPU. Mostly around 35%! Ram was at about 80-90 MBs...Jeeeez. Definitely a very, very large point in Ubuntu's favor.
>
> On ME, I could only run uTorrent at night because it'd use up all my CPU and/or RAM. O_O Forget trying to use any other programs while it was downloading something. HA. Mind, we'll see how good uTorrent runs on Linux once I get a fansub that hits my max bandwidth. If it still runs like it's not doing anything, I'd say XP will forever be reduced to just running games that *refuse* to run on Linux. :)

Network stuff doesn't bug Linux much, its a big thing to the kernel geeks that Linux stay competitive or otherwise squash competing machines in a network setting. At that level you could probably run a webserver and not see an appreciable load. Depending on popularity.

I'd expect the client's system load to be roughtly linear to the throughput (it runs like nothing, speed goes up 4x, it'll be like four nothings in all likelihood).

> Unfortunately, I just deleted the main Panel in Ubuntu. The one that has the Applications Menu, etc. O_O Now I have to figure out how to get it back. >_> Grf.
>

>
> Got the panel back. :) I also tweaked it a bit. I even moved it to beneath the bottom panel, weee. They need a half-panel! Googly eyes, hehe. I'll take them off later cuz they're an unnecessary use of resources, but for now... *makes the googly eyes cross and giggles*

Theres a version of those eyes that aren't tied to the bar, great fun on backdrop images, tiger cub eyes, thespian skeleton eyes, eyes on an airplane?

> Wanda the Fish says: You will be run over by a bus.

Hmm, played with XScreenSaver yet? :-)
Cugat
post #24  on July 23, 2007 - 3:33 PM PDT  
See also, GKrellM.
Battie
post #25  on July 23, 2007 - 3:52 PM PDT  
> On July 23, 2007 - 3:24 PM PDT Cugat wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Oh, on a new system its easily sane.
>

Yup, figuring that out.


> Network stuff doesn't bug Linux much, its a big thing to the kernel geeks that Linux stay competitive or otherwise squash competing machines in a network setting. At that level you could probably run a webserver and not see an appreciable load. Depending on popularity.
>

I always figured ME's problem was saving the data coming in (ie, couldn't save fast enough due to processor speed). To find out it's not a problem in Linux makes me twitchy!

Unfortunately, still no ability to play mkvs without them freezing. I'm not sure if it's a vidcard problem or a system resource problem.

> Theres a version of those eyes that aren't tied to the bar, great fun on backdrop images, tiger cub eyes, thespian skeleton eyes, eyes on an airplane?
>

Hahaha. They have this little thing where a cat chases your mouse around the screen. Something neko.

As for smiting programs...they also have something you can use to blast 'holes' into whatever program is irritating you. If you don't 'repair' them before you close the program, then your windows run around looking like the walking wounded, heh heh.

> > Wanda the Fish says: You will be run over by a bus.
>
> Hmm, played with XScreenSaver yet? :-)
> ---------------------------------

Nope! Well, briefly, but it started to freeze. ._.
Cugat
post #26  on July 23, 2007 - 4:22 PM PDT  
> On July 23, 2007 - 3:52 PM PDT Battie wrote:
> > On July 23, 2007 - 3:24 PM PDT Cugat wrote:
> > Network stuff doesn't bug Linux much, its a big thing to the kernel geeks that Linux stay competitive or otherwise squash competing machines in a network setting. At that level you could probably run a webserver and not see an appreciable load. Depending on popularity.
>
> I always figured ME's problem was saving the data coming in (ie, couldn't save fast enough due to processor speed). To find out it's not a problem in Linux makes me twitchy!

My guess would be memory pressure, disk cache fighting with the virtual memory system as it pulls up random blocks of file to push out the door, etc. *grind* *grind*

> > Theres a version of those eyes that aren't tied to the bar, great fun on backdrop images, tiger cub eyes, thespian skeleton eyes, eyes on an airplane?
>
> Hahaha. They have this little thing where a cat chases your mouse around the screen. Something neko.
>
> As for smiting programs...they also have something you can use to blast 'holes' into whatever program is irritating you. If you don't 'repair' them before you close the program, then your windows run around looking like the walking wounded, heh heh.

Hmm, I missed that.

The furthest I really went was back on a 486 with redhat, had some backdrop programs rendering the earth, then santa and snowing going on. I think I burned out at that much excitement. :-)


Before I used GKrellM, I used the Moaning Goat Meter.
Battie
post #27  on September 8, 2007 - 8:39 AM PDT  
Linux is going well enough. :) I still haven't attempted the long, complicated install of Microsoft Lit, but that's okay. I did, however, download most of the fansubs I've missed in the last few months. Now I just have to watch them. O_O

Lovely Complex (KissSub) wouldn't play without massive stuttering on ME, even without audio. Now, if I disable the audio, I can play it with almost no stuttering on Linux. Wooo! I think I'm up to episode four, ha. It's cute, but I'm tempted to pull out Bokura Ga Ita and watch it instead. I still haven't finished it. ;_;


But really, I just want to ran about my hardware problems. I bought a power supply and a motherboard Tuesday and they arrived yesterday. You should've seen my frantic pacing when I saw a FedEx truck leave my neighborhood ("He didn't stop! AAAAAHHHH!"). Heh. But I got everything hooked up...and nada. No boot up. Just a green light on the case. *sigh* The psu works on this comp, so..

It's very, very possible the processor is a dud. But the motherboard could be DOA, too. So now I'm going to take both up to my friend's and let her husband charge me horrible amounts of money to test both (and he will, I know it - I don't think he likes me much).

I'm so frustrated at this point. I'm half-tempted to let it go and just stuff the whole mess into my closet to rot.


I called a different repair shop...$30 to test everything. Lovely. Almost as much as the motherboard cost. So assuming it's bad...$30 for the test plus shipping to return it. Or $30 to test and another $20-$35 for a new processor. >_< Money I do not have.

I think I'm getting an ulcer. ._O
Battie
post #28  on September 8, 2007 - 4:54 PM PDT  
My blonde is showing again. :P

I had one of the case wires on the wrong pin. *giggles* So everything works, don't have to spend extra money. And my friend's husband charged me nothing, and was going to charge me nothing for testing it. Shocking! Now I feel bad for thinking evil things about him.

I'm so happy. :)
Catullus
post #29  on September 8, 2007 - 8:48 PM PDT  
cool sounds good you gor your computer working again
woozy
post #30  on September 8, 2007 - 8:57 PM PDT  
> On September 8, 2007 - 4:54 PM PDT Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> My blonde is showing again. :P
>
> I had one of the case wires on the wrong pin. *giggles*

Wow! That sure is blonde! Let's make a blonde joke!

"Why didn't the blonde's computer work when she put in a new motherboard?"
"She configured the pin settings wrong by puttin a case wire on the wrong pin!!!!!!!"


HA!!! Those blondes sure are dumb!!!!

Next thing you're going to tell us is your proof of the Banach-Tarski theorem is faulty because it relies upon the axiom of choice! Sheesh, It must be embarrassing to be so blonde!
Battie
post #31  on September 9, 2007 - 3:45 PM PDT  
> On September 8, 2007 - 8:57 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Wow! That sure is blonde! Let's make a blonde joke!
>
> "Why didn't the blonde's computer work when she put in a new motherboard?"
> "She configured the pin settings wrong by puttin a case wire on the wrong pin!!!!!!!"
>
>
> HA!!! Those blondes sure are dumb!!!!
>
> Next thing you're going to tell us is your proof of the Banach-Tarski theorem is faulty because it relies upon the axiom of choice! Sheesh, It must be embarrassing to be so blonde!
> ---------------------------------

*glares at woozy* Putting in a motherboard isn't that hard. The blonde came in when it didn't occur to me to try that pin after the thing wouldn't start up. >_>

I'm working on missing data now. O_O Somewhere between the first and second install of Ubuntu yesterday, 68+ gigs of data went missing off one hard drive. Very specific data. All the Windows junk is there, program folders, etc. Cugat has been trying to help me, but I'm worried I won't be getting any of it back. At which point I will need a lot of liquor to feel better. X)

Plus, the sound is extremely low. Gotta figure that one out, too. >_<


But for today...wash dishes, do laundry, vacuum, give cat a bath...probably some other chores I've temporarily forgotten. Oh, right. DUST. I HATE DUSTING. *shoots the tables and shelves* There, no more dust. XD
woozy
post #32  on September 9, 2007 - 5:32 PM PDT  
> On September 9, 2007 - 3:45 PM PDT Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> *glares at woozy* Putting in a motherboard isn't that hard.

You're angry at me that I don't think you are dumb?

Okay, putting in a motherboard isn't hard but it easy either. Lots (most) folks would never even dare try.

> The blonde came in when it didn't occur to me to try that pin after the thing wouldn't start up. >_>
>

Yeah, but we've all made mistakes like that. It's only when there aren't a million other things that go wrong or we've done it a million times and its always a wrong pin.

> I'm working on missing data now. O_O Somewhere between the first and second install of Ubuntu yesterday, 68+ gigs of data went missing off one hard drive. Very specific data. All the Windows junk is there, program folders, etc. Cugat has been trying to help me, but I'm worried I won't be getting any of it back. At which point I will need a lot of liquor to feel better. X)
>
> Plus, the sound is extremely low. Gotta figure that one out, too. >_<
>
Yeah, Back before I discovered the intense joy of buying a system off the shelf, Sound cards and disk drivers used to drive me nuts. I'm kind of glad I decided I like laptops after all and don't need to build my own computer anymore. (Don't like searching for bargains...)
>
> But for today...wash dishes, do laundry, vacuum, give cat a bath...probably some other chores I've temporarily forgotten.

I hate changing kittie litter. But if I put it off too long my Rosie likes to pee on my laundry. If I leave the laundary on my bed she pees on my laundry on my bed and on my sheets. Guess what I'm doing today.

Bath? I should probably give my tangle-coated Tommy a bath. I've been trying to shear him but its hard not to pull and the blades of my trimmer are too coarse and far apart. He hates it and I don't want him to get bad association with being petted so I don't do it often enough. I'd like to do it all at once but he struggles too hard and I fail. Maybe if I had an electric razor.

I'm off to the store to buy dish *soap*. Last time I bought dishwasher detergent in liquid form. Ick. Also milk and butter and lamb shoulder. I'm going to try a new recipe for lamb stew and carmelized quince over couscous. If it turns out okay, I may have it as the entree of my first new kitchen dinner parties in a couple weeks.

>>Oh, right. DUST. I HATE DUSTING. *shoots the tables and shelves* There, no more dust. XD
> ---------------------------------

I like to leave the dusting until the bunnies grew so big that just opening the doors and windows and doing a few spins in a long bathrobe is enough to send them fleeing.
artifex
post #33  on September 9, 2007 - 10:14 PM PDT  
Rosie and Tommy should be chasing your bunnies away.
Is Tommy another cat? Those are such nice normal names for cats. I'm surprised. :)
woozy
post #34  on September 9, 2007 - 10:21 PM PDT  
> On September 9, 2007 - 10:14 PM PDT artifex wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Rosie and Tommy should be chasing your bunnies away.

Well, yeah, actually they like to eat the bunnies and then cough them up as hairballs. Unlike peeing in the laudry which they only do when the kittie litter is gross, they don't consider hairballs or barf to have any limitations to where it should be done.

> Is Tommy another cat? Those are such nice normal names for cats. I'm surprised. :)
> ---------------------------------

Yeah, I'm a little surprised too. But yep, that's their names all right. Rosie and Tommy.

Battie
post #35  on September 10, 2007 - 12:47 AM PDT  
> On September 9, 2007 - 5:32 PM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> You're angry at me that I don't think you are dumb?
>

Lol.

> Okay, putting in a motherboard isn't hard but it easy either. Lots (most) folks would never even dare try.
>

Well, that's because there's an illusion of mystery surrounding the innards of computers. I wouldn't have dared touch the innards a year ago, much less pick out and install a new motherboard without any help. Or maybe I would've. Unlikely, however.

>
> Yeah, but we've all made mistakes like that. It's only when there aren't a million other things that go wrong or we've done it a million times and its always a wrong pin.
>

Heh. The manual was...very sparse. >_<

> Yeah, Back before I discovered the intense joy of buying a system off the shelf, Sound cards and disk drivers used to drive me nuts. I'm kind of glad I decided I like laptops after all and don't need to build my own computer anymore. (Don't like searching for bargains...)
> >

Ha, I want to build my own. But most motherboards these days come with onboard sound and onboard video. I don't think ANY don't come without the sound, though you can still find a few without onboard vid.

I think the problem is with Ubuntu's driver, though. I posted on the Ubuntu forums asking for help, but nothing yet. So I dug out some old speakers..they aren't computer speakers, either. Big, hulking "wireless" ones. There's a little device you hook up to a computer, tv, whatever...then the speakers you just plug into the wall and turn on. They have MASSIVE sound, man. I had the comp 'volume' up 100% and was playing Lovely Complex #4...omg. The volume on the device was up full volume, but the speaker volume control was only at maybe 25%...and I kid you not, it was like standing in a theater. Booming!

Now I have a tool of REVENGE when my neighbors decide to let their dogs bark for hours, or when the Mexicans a house over wanna turn up their truck stereos full blast. >:]

>
> I hate changing kittie litter. But if I put it off too long my Rosie likes to pee on my laundry. If I leave the laundary on my bed she pees on my laundry on my bed and on my sheets. Guess what I'm doing today.
>

My cat just goes to the bathroom in front of her box if it's too dirty or we buy litter she dislikes. >_<

> Bath? I should probably give my tangle-coated Tommy a bath. I've been trying to shear him but its hard not to pull and the blades of my trimmer are too coarse and far apart. He hates it and I don't want him to get bad association with being petted so I don't do it often enough. I'd like to do it all at once but he struggles too hard and I fail. Maybe if I had an electric razor.
>

My cats aren't too hard to bathe. I've done both of them at the same time before and neither escaped the tub. Heh heh heh. Unfortunately, after the bath was over, Cali was very determined to get out of the bathroom. In the process of stopping her, I knocked my glasses into the trash can. SO I poured some hot water and bleach in the sink...and when I grabbed the knob to let the water out, the stopped (attached to the pipe) came out and all the water hit the things under the sink. Unfortunately, I had some things under there that absorb liquid...so I ended up throwing away about $4 worth of stuff. Not to mention the hassle of fixing the sink and cleaning everything up. Grrrr.

> I'm off to the store to buy dish *soap*. Last time I bought dishwasher detergent in liquid form. Ick. Also milk and butter and lamb shoulder. I'm going to try a new recipe for lamb stew and carmelized quince over couscous. If it turns out okay, I may have it as the entree of my first new kitchen dinner parties in a couple weeks.
> ---------------------------------

...rich people. Hmph.
woozy
post #36  on September 10, 2007 - 1:28 AM PDT  
> > Okay, putting in a motherboard isn't hard but it easy either. Lots (most) folks would never even dare try.
> >
>
> Well, that's because there's an illusion of mystery surrounding the innards of computers.

Yeah, it's not brain surgery. But neither is rewiring your house. I'm no dummy but the number of things I could do *wrong* with wiring if no-one were to point them out to me is enough to keep me hiring an electrician. Well, I'll do simple things like put in a light switch and dimmer. Anything harder and I just know I'll do something stupid.

Actually I had my mother over a few weeks ago and she assumed I wouldn't know how to put in a dimmer switch and was surprised that I had done it a few times in the past. Yes, mom, and I can dress myself too.... *sheesh*

> Ha, I want to build my own. But most motherboards these days come with onboard sound and onboard video.

Yeah, I think that what made me finally decide it isn't really worth trying to cobble stuff that have too much hardwired onto it to begin with. You might as well simply get one cheap thing that's already put together. I might, if I ever get energy to ever do anything or ever have any desire ever again (actually, I'm getting a little scared of my creeping lethargy-- I don't know where it came from and I don't know why it won't go away) I might like to build a computer again like you're doing.

I don't think ANY don't come without the sound, though you can still find a few without onboard vid.
>
> I think the problem is with Ubuntu's driver, though. I posted on the Ubuntu forums asking for help, but nothing yet.

Good luck. This is the stuff that *isn't* easy. Anyhow, I know nothing 'bout it so... good luck.

>
> My cat just goes to the bathroom in front of her box if it's too dirty or we buy litter she dislikes. >_<
>
Better than her peeing on your clothes. Or maybe not. You have to scrub the floor, clothes can be tossed in the laundry.

Still, it's ultimately my fault for not bowing quickly enough to my feline overlord.

> My cats aren't too hard to bathe.

I only once give Tommy a bath and I expected it to be like carrying twenty-one yards of coiled razor wire naked through a rain storm. He was surprisingly good although he didn't like it. I wrapped him in a warm towell and he liked that. He's got these horrible tangles and I hoped a shampoo would help. Maybe it did but not enough.

Tommy and Rosie are from a litter of four. Tommy's original name was Puss'n Boots but I changed that quickly. I wanted a cat called Tom Kitten after the Beatrix Potter story. Rosie was really just to keep Tommy company. Puss'n Boots, an adorable fuzzy black and white with a black mustache and white boots and incrediable long white whiskers was the one I had my heart on but as I had a job in those days, I took his sister Rosie along so he would have another kitten to play with while he grew up. Rosie, like all older sisters (even if by only a minute or two), simply assumed she was the most loved and most important and, well, I'll be damned if she didn't convince me of it. She's a poster tabby with extreme grace, poise, sass, and picturesque profile. Poor Tommy is just a lovable gentle mushpot living his life in her shadow.

> > I'm off to the store to buy dish *soap*. Last time I bought dishwasher detergent in liquid form. Ick. Also milk and butter and lamb shoulder. I'm going to try a new recipe for lamb stew and carmelized quince over couscous. If it turns out okay, I may have it as the entree of my first new kitchen dinner parties in a couple weeks.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> ...rich people. Hmph.
> ---------------------------------

Rich? Hardly. It was pretty good but I'm not going to serve it. Quince has a weird taste that's ... okay, but a little strong. The stew was good but a bit too sweet and it came out just a bit too buttery.

My dinner parties aren't rich. Probably on par with inviting friends over to dinner but since I don't have any friends I have to have a dinner party to get people to come over. Sort of like how I used to wear a pork chop around my neck to get my dog to play with me.
Battie
post #37  on September 10, 2007 - 10:17 AM PDT  
> On September 10, 2007 - 1:28 AM PDT woozy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Yeah, I think that what made me finally decide it isn't really worth trying to cobble stuff that have too much hardwired onto it to begin with. You might as well simply get one cheap thing that's already put together. I might, if I ever get energy to ever do anything or ever have any desire ever again (actually, I'm getting a little scared of my creeping lethargy-- I don't know where it came from and I don't know why it won't go away) I might like to build a computer again like you're doing.
>

I'm not building one yet, just replacing a few bits. I WILL build one, at some point. I'll probably go for an AMD dual-core with the 65nm (or whatever it is) technology. More expensive than regular AMDs, but less than Intels.

Though I AM tempted by the Intel core 3 duos. After all, the processor I'm running this machine off of had BENT pins at one point (though they certainly straightened out fine) and it working! That is sexy!

As for the boards that are all together..I'll probably try to find one without onboard video and buy an nVidia video card. (Cugat insists there are better Linux drivers for nVidia, for one thing.) I want to be able to play games on the comp I build. Age of Empires 3 made this computer scream like a little girl.

>
> Good luck. This is the stuff that *isn't* easy. Anyhow, I know nothing 'bout it so... good luck.
>

Heh, yeah. I'm more concerned with the missing data. >_> But at least I have sound now. I can watch my anime without going, "Eh, at least there's subtitles." :D Those speakers are so very, very loud. *pets them*

>
> Better than her peeing on your clothes. Or maybe not. You have to scrub the floor, clothes can be tossed in the laundry.
>
> Still, it's ultimately my fault for not bowing quickly enough to my feline overlord.
>

Ah...if the cat peed on my clothes, she'd get tossed outside. X) Cleaning up hairballs and puke out of the carpet is one thing...Peeing on my clothes another.

> I only once give Tommy a bath and I expected it to be like carrying twenty-one yards of coiled razor wire naked through a rain storm. He was surprisingly good although he didn't like it. I wrapped him in a warm towell and he liked that. He's got these horrible tangles and I hoped a shampoo would help. Maybe it did but not enough.
>

It would depend on the shampoo. Try using human conditioner. Shampoo can leave hair (and presumably fur) kind of...I can't explain it well, but without conditioner, my hair will tangle while wet.

> Tommy and Rosie are from a litter of four. Tommy's original name was Puss'n Boots but I changed that quickly. I wanted a cat called Tom Kitten after the Beatrix Potter story. Rosie was really just to keep Tommy company. Puss'n Boots, an adorable fuzzy black and white with a black mustache and white boots and incrediable long white whiskers was the one I had my heart on but as I had a job in those days, I took his sister Rosie along so he would have another kitten to play with while he grew up. Rosie, like all older sisters (even if by only a minute or two), simply assumed she was the most loved and most important and, well, I'll be damned if she didn't convince me of it. She's a poster tabby with extreme grace, poise, sass, and picturesque profile. Poor Tommy is just a lovable gentle mushpot living his life in her shadow.
>

*snort* You had an odd reason for choosing a kitten. :P We now have three outside cats, one inside/outside cat and one inside cat. Too many cats. AND STORMY IS PREGNANT AGAIN! GAH!

The two kittens that survived, Patches and Freckle, are both a mess in their own way. The other day, Patches jumped into my lap for the first time. I wasn't asking him to, either. :P He's a very determined little thing when he wants to be petted.

Freckle is still manic. Heh. She RUNS into the house every time the door opens. Last night I was taking a shower...and when I came out, I put a rug into the dryer and some towels in the washer. Then I saw a shadow moving under the table out of the corner of my eye...my grandmother had left Freckle inside the house, rotfl. Didn't know she was in. X) I walked over to her and Freckle just started purring and demanding I pet her. Patches in the same situation tries to jump out of the door's window (which is just a pane of glass), ha.

If I hadn't been messing with laundry, she'd have probably ended up staying the night. Silly kitten.

> Rich? Hardly. It was pretty good but I'm not going to serve it. Quince has a weird taste that's ... okay, but a little strong. The stew was good but a bit too sweet and it came out just a bit too buttery.
>
> My dinner parties aren't rich. Probably on par with inviting friends over to dinner but since I don't have any friends I have to have a dinner party to get people to come over. Sort of like how I used to wear a pork chop around my neck to get my dog to play with me.
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Rich-ish. I don't even know what quince is and I've never had lamb (and probably never will). I doubt lamb is available in any of the stores around here. I'd probably have to go into downtown Dallas or north Dallas to find some. ._.

Hence, rich.


Best way to get people to come over: Offer good movies and alcohol. XD I've noticed that *my* friends come around a little more often if I'm serving alcohol. Humph.
Battie
post #38  on September 10, 2007 - 10:19 AM PDT  
Correction: Though I AM tempted by the Intel core *2* duos. After all, the processor I'm running this machine off of had BENT pins at one point (though they certainly straightened out fine) and it *is* working! That is sexy!

I only slept a little over three hours. >_>
woozy
post #39  on September 10, 2007 - 11:18 AM PDT  
> On September 10, 2007 - 10:17 AM PDT Battie wrote:
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>
> Ah...if the cat peed on my clothes, she'd get tossed outside.

Rosie would consider that wonderful. She loves going outside.

> *snort* You had an odd reason for choosing a kitten. :P

Really? I just figured kittens are social animals and two would play with each other and take care of each other more than a kitty all alone or with just an alien human. It worked too!

>>We now have three outside cats, one inside/outside cat and one inside cat. Too many cats. AND STORMY IS PREGNANT AGAIN! GAH!

We rich folks get our cats fixed.
>
> The two kittens that survived, Patches and Freckle, are both a mess in their own way. The other day, Patches jumped into my lap for the first time. I wasn't asking him to, either. :P He's a very determined little thing when he wants to be petted.
>
I remember the first time Tommy did that. I was so proud of him. When I first got the kitties I felt so bad taking them away from their mother and their siblings. I was very curious as to when they'd stop feeling they were taken away from the familar and accepting me and my apartment as home. I think it was as soon as I gave them food.

Cool! My rosie is toying with a wounded fly right now. Kill it! Kill it!!!!!

> Rich-ish. I don't even know what quince is

It's kind of a lumpy apple that needs cooking. When cooked it sort of tasted like a cross between an apple and a pear with citrissy (kumquat-like) taste. I don't know where to buy quince; my friend has a quince tree which is like a small apple tree. I think I had had quince in jams and marmalade before but this was probably the first time I've ever eaten quince as quince.


>>> and I've never had lamb (and probably never will). I doubt lamb is available in any of the stores around here. I'd probably have to go into downtown Dallas or north Dallas to find some. ._.

Really? That must be a regional or cultural thing. I've never considered lamb to be exotic or expensive or rare. Guess it's my Brit roots, but my grandmothers signature dish was a roast leg of lamb. I *love* lamb. It's my favorite meat. Lots of folks don't like it because of its flavor.

Aw! Rosie just brought the fly over to Tommy and he's trying to paw at it. He has such a comical bewildered look on his face. He's doing some serious damage with his big paw pads. I keep hoping he'll impale it on one of his long scimatar claws. He really is a magnificent creature.
NLee
post #40  on September 10, 2007 - 1:56 PM PDT  
> On September 10, 2007 - 10:19 AM PDT Battie wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Correction: Though I AM tempted by the Intel core *2* duos. After all, the processor I'm running this machine off of had BENT pins at one point (though they certainly straightened out fine) and it *is* working! That is sexy!
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Battie, stop it! You are totaly destroying your 'dumb blond' image I have in my head.
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