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Lost - SEASON 4
Topic by: troublemaker
Posted: January 31, 2008 - 5:22 PM PST
Last Reply: September 9, 2008 - 4:32 PM PDT

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author topic: Lost - SEASON 4
underdog
post #101  on May 16, 2008 - 11:27 PM PDT  
> On May 16, 2008 - 1:21 PM PDT SirenTiger wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> Whacko theory which I don't really believe but want to joke about: Hurley's dad *did* set the odometers deliberately and is the mastermind behind the entire backstory. Um, hurley ran from the car saying it wanted nothing to do with it, but wasn't it the same car he was driving later on the high-speed chase? Or am I mis-remembering the event by power of suggestion?
> ---------------------------------

The chronology in that episode was confusing, but I was assuming that the party took place after the car chase/crash and the wake that was one of the first flash-forwards. But it's confusing because in this episode they show the first events after the Oceanic 6 return to civilization, and the press conference, and then the much-delayed service for Jack's dad, where he finds out that Claire was his half-sister, so all that is soon after they return, and then Hurley's bday party which apparently is much later. Right? So it's a little confusing.

That was an important episode but it wasn't perfect.
SirenTiger
post #102  on May 16, 2008 - 11:42 PM PDT  
> On May 16, 2008 - 10:53 PM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Ha! I was wondering that about Aaron. Maybe Sawyer was feeding Aaron baby bird style?
>
> Maybe coconut milk?
>
Okay, I'm not a nutritionist and I'm not a parent (at least not to anything that actually exists) but I'm pretty sure Aaron is too young for anything but milk and coconut milk, despite it's color, texture, and name, isn't milk.

I had been wondering why the show hadn't been addressing Claire's motherhood in a realistic way. It was almost as if they were squeamish about the idea of breast feeding which seems suprisingly prudish for "Lost". Of course, other then the one time Aaron had a fevor, they haven't discussed *anything* a real mother would go through. Perhaps it's intentional to make Claire seem a mythological Madonna, but a thirty-hour trek through a forest and a person to person hand-off really stretches disbelief a bit too far.

> Do you suppose all (or a lot of) the flash forward mysteries will be wrapped up this season?
>
I assume you mean "next" season. Let's see there are two more seasons...

With the flash-forwards becoming more prominent, I'm really rather perplexed how they intend to carry the narative. They are implying the Oceanic 6 resue is pretty immanent-- within the next week at most (Day 103). Of course, this season has only taken place in a week so maybe they'll drag out the actual resuce until the end of next season. Even if they get to the rescue by *this* season finale (although I think they are just teasing us with that promise) we still haven't seen anything of those who stayed on the island in the flashforwards. I'm sure a large part of next season or a season after that will be what happens to the non-Oceanic 6 after the Oceanic 6 leave.

Anyhow, one assumes the Oceanic 6 underwent physical medical exams. Um, how could they assure no-one would ever compare Aaron's DNA to Kate's?

SirenTiger
post #103  on May 16, 2008 - 11:49 PM PDT  
> On May 16, 2008 - 11:27 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>
> The chronology in that episode was confusing, but I was assuming that the party took place after the car chase/crash ... and then Hurley's bday party which apparently is much later. Right? So it's a little confusing.
>

I assumed the exact opposite; that the party took place soon after the return. Why did you assume it took place after the chase/crash? The last flashforward (Jack and Kate) implied after the chase/crash Hurley never got out of Santa Rosa.

Wait, I bet some fan somewhere has recorded Hurley's birthdate. We know the party had to take place between New Years 2005 and October 2005.

SirenTiger
post #104  on May 17, 2008 - 12:09 AM PDT  
For what it's worth:

Lost: Timeline (post rescue)

I suppose underdog assumed the party the party occured "much later" because Hurley said to his father "You fixed it!" I took this to mean, this is the same Camero (from the "Little Miss Sunshine" VW van episode) they had been working on for twenty years. In fact, I think when we saw the chase/crash scene the very first time, we were supposed to think "Oh, Hurley got off the island and got around to fixing the old Camero".
doozer
post #105  on May 20, 2008 - 2:10 PM PDT  
> On May 16, 2008 - 1:21 PM PDT SirenTiger wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>
> 2) When Sun confronts her father and says it was his fault they were on the plane she says "There are two men responsible for my husband's death and you are one of them". According to the "cover story" Jin didn't survive the crash and thus according to the "cover story" Mr. Paik would be *entirely* responsible for Jin's death. It's not in character for Sun to ever slip up when maintaining a cover (maintaining a cover has been what she's been doing her entire life) so SirenTiger prediction: Mr. Paik, as well as Charles Whidmore, is somehow involved in the backstory. Of course, many thought so already. Also, I suppose if the crash were being blamed on human error the other man in the "cover story" could be the pilot on whom the media is placing the blame.



I really thought Sun said there are two PEOPLE..not two MEN..for what it's worth. I could be wrong. But if I'm not, that could make a big difference.
Vanamonde
post #106  on May 20, 2008 - 7:08 PM PDT  
I am so sick of "LOST". But yet, I HAVE to watch it.

SirenTiger
post #107  on May 20, 2008 - 8:41 PM PDT  
> On May 20, 2008 - 2:10 PM PDT doozer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>
> I really thought Sun said there are two PEOPLE..not two MEN..for what it's worth. I could be wrong. But if I'm not, that could make a big difference.
> ---------------------------------

I could be wrong.

I don't know whether Jin is dead or whether he chose to stay on the island. If he was killed I don't know whether he was killed by a woman or a man (or himself).

My point still is that according to the "cover story" Jin died on the plane. If the cover story is that the plane was a typical crash, it is odd for a survivor to blame it on a specific person. Thus when Sun said she blamed two people for Jin's death, that reveals one of the following.

a) Sun slipped up and forgot to stick to her cover story. (I doubt this as Sun doesn't slip up.)

b) Sun didn't stick to her cover story because Mr. Paik already knows some or all of the truth. (This is the theory I'm proposing.)

c) The "cover story" involves blamining the crash on someone specific. (Alternative theory.)

d) Sun is presenting herself as an odd survivor who *does* blame the plane crash on a specific person. I suppose this isn't too odd but still... the potential for b) or c) more intriguing.
doozer
post #108  on May 20, 2008 - 10:02 PM PDT  
> On May 20, 2008 - 8:41 PM PDT SirenTiger wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>
> I could be wrong.
>
> I don't know whether Jin is dead or whether he chose to stay on the island. If he was killed I don't know whether he was killed by a woman or a man (or himself).
>
> My point still is that according to the "cover story" Jin died on the plane. If the cover story is that the plane was a typical crash, it is odd for a survivor to blame it on a specific person. Thus when Sun said she blamed two people for Jin's death, that reveals one of the following.
>
> a) Sun slipped up and forgot to stick to her cover story. (I doubt this as Sun doesn't slip up.)
>
> b) Sun didn't stick to her cover story because Mr. Paik already knows some or all of the truth. (This is the theory I'm proposing.)
>
> c) The "cover story" involves blamining the crash on someone specific. (Alternative theory.)
>
> d) Sun is presenting herself as an odd survivor who *does* blame the plane crash on a specific person. I suppose this isn't too odd but still... the potential for b) or c) more intriguing.
>
> ---------------------------------

or e) she could be blaming herself. He wouldn't have been on that plane if he wasn't married to her, or didn't want to provide for her the way he did. Then he was trying to get away with her. We don't know that something didn't happen to him while trying to save her. That whole scene was a culmination of Sun and her father. Maybe she was implying that the company wasn't the only area where they shared responsibility now.
SirenTiger
post #109  on May 20, 2008 - 11:05 PM PDT  
> On May 20, 2008 - 10:02 PM PDT doozer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> or e) she could be blaming herself. He wouldn't have been on that plane if he wasn't married to her, or didn't want to provide for her the way he did.

On the nose! Good point. Hadn't thought of that. D'oh... Siren's not in touch with her feelings..

troublemaker
post #110  on May 21, 2008 - 1:50 AM PDT  
> On May 20, 2008 - 8:41 PM PDT SirenTiger wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On May 20, 2008 - 2:10 PM PDT doozer wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > I really thought Sun said there are two PEOPLE..not two MEN..for what it's worth. I could be wrong. But if I'm not, that could make a big difference.
> > ---------------------------------
>
> I could be wrong.
>
> I don't know whether Jin is dead or whether he chose to stay on the island. If he was killed I don't know whether he was killed by a woman or a man (or himself).
>
> My point still is that according to the "cover story" Jin died on the plane. If the cover story is that the plane was a typical crash, it is odd for a survivor to blame it on a specific person. Thus when Sun said she blamed two people for Jin's death, that reveals one of the following.
>
> a) Sun slipped up and forgot to stick to her cover story. (I doubt this as Sun doesn't slip up.)
>
> b) Sun didn't stick to her cover story because Mr. Paik already knows some or all of the truth. (This is the theory I'm proposing.)
>
> c) The "cover story" involves blamining the crash on someone specific. (Alternative theory.)
>
> d) Sun is presenting herself as an odd survivor who *does* blame the plane crash on a specific person. I suppose this isn't too odd but still... the potential for b) or c) more intriguing.
>
> ---------------------------------

Personally I think the way her accusation fell that the show was insinuating (B), calling out her father in such a way that they were both aware of some of the truth. In fact I would be surprised if by the end of this season the show didn't try and solidify a connection between Mr. Paik and Widmore.

Anyone have any guesses to the illustration of "the orchid" in Daniel Farraday's notebook and it's significance? I took a screenshot from a *ahen* copy of the show I may have procured online.. What do you think? Very reminiscent of the Dharma logo no?

Also, I can see Jin will dying in a spectacular c4 explosion on the large boat while saving everyone else who is currently on it.

troublemaker
post #111  on May 21, 2008 - 1:54 AM PDT  
Hmmm.. my lack of html skills seems to have messed up the original link. Try this:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4493/vlcsnap438325th7.jpg
SirenTiger
post #112  on May 21, 2008 - 10:34 AM PDT  
> On May 21, 2008 - 1:50 AM PDT troublemaker wrote:
> ---------------------------------

>
> In fact I would be surprised if by the end of this season the show didn't try and solidify a connection between Mr. Paik and Widmore.
>
Um, you are aware there is only one more episode this season, aren't you? I've been in the Paik camp for a while. I wonder though, if the show has been deliberately not insinuating connections between Paik and the island to keep this as a "surprise" twist.

By "connection" do you allow "being in direct competition to"?

> Also, I can see Jin will dying in a spectacular c4 explosion on the large boat while saving everyone else who is currently on it.
>
Well, considering how callously the writers decided to kill Danielle and Alex, its possible that only Sun and Aaron get saved.
SirenTiger
post #113  on May 21, 2008 - 10:37 AM PDT  

> Anyone have any guesses to the illustration of "the orchid" in Daniel Farraday's notebook and it's significance? I took a screenshot from a *ahen* copy of the show I may have procured online.. BR> target="external">What do you think? Very reminiscent of the Dharma logo no?
>
This should fix the link. No lack of "html skills". You simply hit the "enter" key before a close quote, and the message board software screwed up the rest.
SirenTiger
post #114  on May 21, 2008 - 10:39 AM PDT  
> On May 21, 2008 - 10:37 AM PDT SirenTiger wrote:
> ---------------------------------
>
> > Anyone have any guesses to the illustration of "the orchid" in Daniel Farraday's notebook and it's significance? I took a screenshot from a *ahen* copy of the show I may have procured online.. BR> target="external">What do you think?

Well, that works... but it certainly didn't come out the way I expected it to!
troublemaker
post #115  on May 21, 2008 - 11:28 AM PDT  
> On May 21, 2008 - 10:34 AM PDT SirenTiger wrote:
> ---------------------------------

> >
> Um, you are aware there is only one more episode this season, aren't you? I've been in the Paik camp for a while. I wonder though, if the show has been deliberately not insinuating connections between Paik and the island to keep this as a "surprise" twist.
>
> By "connection" do you allow "being in direct competition to"?
> ---------------------------------


One more episode?.. That's a bit of news that'll ruin my day. If only you could see the sad frown on my face as I write this.

And by connection I would definitely allow "being in direct competition to." They're either competing, or they were both aware of the Dharma initiative in the past, or some other unforeseen plot twist will come into play.

SirenTiger
post #116  on May 21, 2008 - 12:28 PM PDT  
> On May 21, 2008 - 11:28 AM PDT troublemaker wrote:
> One more episode?.. That's a bit of news that'll ruin my day. If only you could see the sad frown on my face as I write this.
>
A two hour season finale next week. (Actually, I think last week was part one of a three hour finale, but I won't swear to it.) Jin dieing in a fiery explosion is a definate possibility. Then again Jin might not be dead but I think he probably is. Doozer could be right that Sun is blaming herself as the second person but I'm still pretty sure Paik is involved.


> And by connection I would definitely allow "being in direct competition to." They're either competing, or they were both aware of the Dharma initiative in the past, or some other unforeseen plot twist will come into play.
>
Let's just say we're both pretty sure that Mr. Paik is "involved in the big picture".

I don't think we will see "the Oceanic Six" "get rescued" (I mean, not in the story narrative "present time") although we may see the boat start heading toward "the real world". I think next season will be leading up to the "get recued" incident and the final season will be the "getting back" conclussion.
troublemaker
post #117  on June 2, 2008 - 12:53 AM PDT  
I'm surprised to see this thread with nary a comment about the finale!

Is everyone still digesting and waiting to speak until the start of the work week so as to distract themselves? Or are we all too downtrodden at the prospect of no more Lost episodes for 9 months and are at a loss of words.

I'd say something if I didn't thing you all had more insightful observations/theories about the show..
Cinenaut
post #118  on June 3, 2008 - 8:52 AM PDT  
Great finale! Just as I suspected, they did wrap up a lot of the threads for the flash forwards, the most prominent being "who is in the coffin?".

What do you suppose happened to Daniel Faraday and the people in the zodiac boat? Maybe they'll pick up Jin and Michael? Not that it looked like Jin and especially Michael would have survived.

Of course, it's a total bummer that we have to wait so long to see new episodes.

The whispering showed up twice in this episode, the first time being at the helicopter when the Others attached the Rambo guys, and the second time when Jack and Claire's dad appeared to Michael. The former could have been just plain whispering, but Michael obviously heard the spooky whispering.



SirenTiger
post #119  on June 3, 2008 - 11:12 AM PDT  
I was going to ask what was the significance of naming Boone, Charlie, and Libbie as the three other ex-survivors but I guess as we *did* get to the rescue we have to conclude there was none other than Jack's way of doing them honor.

I know we aren't supposed to care about "socks" (something I just *can't* wrap my embracing of disinterest around) but are they *all* dead now?

I don't think Michael is dead. Jin... maybe.

So what is going to be the format of the next two seasons?
underdog
post #120  on June 3, 2008 - 3:08 PM PDT  
> On June 3, 2008 - 11:12 AM PDT SirenTiger wrote:

> So what is going to be the format of the next two seasons?
> ---------------------------------

I'm pretty sure - and don't know if I heard this somewhere officially or on Lost discussion sites but - that next season will focus mostly on how (and why) the Oceanic 6 gets back to the island, and the last season will be the Ultimate Escape!

Crazy.

I agree, that was mostly an excellent finale and yes, painful to imagine how long we have to wait 'til it resumes!


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