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Lost - SEASON 4
Topic by: troublemaker
Posted: January 31, 2008 - 5:22 PM PST
Last Reply: September 9, 2008 - 4:32 PM PDT

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author topic: Lost - SEASON 4
doozer
post #121  on June 3, 2008 - 4:49 PM PDT  
The finale quickly made Sun my favorite female from the island.


Is it just me or did Claire put on some weight?
underdog
post #122  on June 3, 2008 - 6:06 PM PDT  
> On June 3, 2008 - 4:49 PM PDT doozer wrote:
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> The finale quickly made Sun my favorite female from the island.
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> Is it just me or did Claire put on some weight?
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I guess in the after life you can't actually eat anything you want, a la Defending Your Life.
I'm still more addled about how the hell her baby, Aaron, can survive all these helicopter drops and lack of feedings. Is it like Superbaby or something? Remember when everyone was after her baby? What happened with that? I assume next season will go back to that, too.

doozer
post #123  on June 3, 2008 - 6:11 PM PDT  
> On June 3, 2008 - 6:06 PM PDT underdog wrote:
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>Remember when everyone was after her baby? What happened with that? I assume next season will go back to that, too.
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>

Yea I'm thinking the "don't you dare bring him back" message was foreshadowing in connection with that.

But then again, all the people that wanted her baby are dead or dispersed so who would want Aaron now? The Island? Jacob? A hungry polar bear?
SirenTiger
post #124  on June 4, 2008 - 1:51 AM PDT  
What make you think Claire is dead?

Um, wasn't it implied they wanted her baby to immunize him and/or to study him; neither of which are particularly relevant any more.
Cinenaut
post #125  on June 4, 2008 - 9:40 AM PDT  
Claire did look a bit puffy. Maybe Emilie De Ravin is pregnant?

I'm guessing that both Micheal and Jin survived. It was an awfully quick transition from Christian telling Michael he could leave to the actual explosion, and if assume there was (undepicted) time for Michael to get all the way out, there'd certainly be time for Jin to don a life jacket.

If one or both survived, are they with the island or in the middle of nowhere?

Since the small island disappeared too, we can assume a large area was moved with the main island.
SirenTiger
post #126  on June 4, 2008 - 10:33 AM PDT  
> On June 4, 2008 - 9:40 AM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
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> I'm guessing that both Micheal and Jin survived.

Well, Sun and the Oceanic 6 *think* Jin is dead. So I guess that all is honest enough.

> It was an awfully quick transition from Christian telling Michael he could leave to the actual explosion, and if assume there was (undepicted) time for Michael to get all the way out, there'd certainly be time for Jin to don a life jacket.
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Since the show can Christian can do "magic", I was completely open to the idea that Michael could (if that's what the show wishes to do) have been just spirited away.

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> Since the small island disappeared too, we can assume a large area was moved with the main island.
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I kind of liked Jack's line "He didn't move the island."

Hmm, move the boat but not the heliocoper... Hadn't thought of that. Why not? Saves Faraday from die of thirst stranded in the middle of nowhere. But then the show didn't have any compunction against shooting Alex and Danielle like dogs. Bastards!

Who the hell what shoot dogs? Bastards!

Hey! You think you need dead bodies to get to the island like some witchcraft rituals? You think if your dead body is brought to the island you get to become one of these "tangible" ghosts like Christian is? Is that what Locke and Jacob want? For Locke to become a walking ghost?
doozer
post #127  on June 4, 2008 - 1:50 PM PDT  
> On June 4, 2008 - 10:33 AM PDT SirenTiger wrote:
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>
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> Hey! You think you need dead bodies to get to the island like some witchcraft rituals? You think if your dead body is brought to the island you get to become one of these "tangible" ghosts like Christian is? Is that what Locke and Jacob want? For Locke to become a walking ghost?
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Maybe that's what Jacob is. Also I think Claire's death is implied by her hanging out with dead people. I don't think she'd just leave her baby behind if she was alive. She's too stubborn to be talked into that.
SirenTiger
post #128  on June 4, 2008 - 8:53 PM PDT  
> On June 4, 2008 - 1:50 PM PDT doozer wrote:
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> > On June 4, 2008 - 10:33 AM PDT SirenTiger wrote:
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> Maybe that's what Jacob is. Also I think Claire's death is implied by her hanging out with dead people. I don't think she'd just leave her baby behind if she was alive. She's too stubborn to be talked into that.
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well, it's obviously a mystery that hasn't revealed enough. I assume something weird happened but I don't think we can assume anything. I mean "she's talking with Christian who is dead and the only way that can happen is if she's dead as well" isn't really a sole remaining logical explanation.

doozer
post #129  on June 4, 2008 - 10:50 PM PDT  
> On June 4, 2008 - 8:53 PM PDT SirenTiger wrote:
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> well, it's obviously a mystery that hasn't revealed enough. I assume something weird happened but I don't think we can assume anything. I mean "she's talking with Christian who is dead and the only way that can happen is if she's dead as well" isn't really a sole remaining logical explanation.
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Well obviously if Lost has taught us anything, it's to not make assumptions.

However, I don't think that her talking to Christian alone implies that she's dead. You'll notice the other half of my theory alludes to her pretty much abandoning her child. I think her vehement unwillingness to give Aaron up in the first 3 seasons is at least a little bit indicative of the fact that...she doesn't want to give her baby up. Also, we've learned that she can be quite stubborn. So, unless a dead guy gave her a really convincing argument that leaving her baby behind and hanging out with him in a creepy cabin is the best idea EVER - it might be safe to assume that she died somehow, and she *can't* go back to him..or she would.

I think one thing to consider is..what exactly does "death" mean on this show, because it's obviously a different concept than what we have in reality.
Cinenaut
post #130  on June 5, 2008 - 9:34 AM PDT  
I was thinking Claire was just not in her right mind. I mean, how would she have died? Christian killed her?

Ooh, does this mean Michael will end up in a similar state?
SirenTiger
post #131  on June 5, 2008 - 11:13 AM PDT  
>>>You'll notice the other half of my theory alludes to her pretty much abandoning her child.

Well, yeah. Something weird happened. But its a bit like seeing a pink elephant with a flamingo head growing out of its back materialize on a free-way and concluding the flamingo and the elephant must be conjoined twins because they are in the carpool lane.
doozer
post #132  on June 5, 2008 - 11:16 AM PDT  
> On June 5, 2008 - 9:34 AM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
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> I was thinking Claire was just not in her right mind. I mean, how would she have died? Christian killed her?
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> Ooh, does this mean Michael will end up in a similar state?
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He may not have killed her, but he could have lead her to something that *would* kill her.

I don't think the question should be "is she dead" though I think she is, it's more like "wtf happened to her".
SirenTiger
post #133  on June 5, 2008 - 11:22 AM PDT  
> On June 5, 2008 - 9:34 AM PDT Cinenaut wrote:
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> I was thinking Claire was just not in her right mind. I mean, how would she have died? Christian killed her?
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> Ooh, does this mean Michael will end up in a similar state?
> ---------------------------------

Lost does a lot of introducing weird behavior out of the blue. Never addressing it but slowly have it revealed that its supposed to be natural.

The weird others being sadistic and cruel. Turns out the were a community and losing their own and defending themselves and it was all reasonable after all. Except ... they were sadistic and cruel.

Michael returns and suddenly he was transformed as if by magic and shoots Anna Lucia at point blank range. Turns out he made a deal to trade Ben for Walt and was doing "what he had to do" and it was all reasonable after all. Except ... he shot and killed Ana Lucia at point blank range.

So Claire wanders off into the jungle as if in a trance adandonning Aaron. Turns out Christian told her something and she believed it and figure Aaron would be safe with Sawyer and it was all reasonable after all. Except ... she wondered off into the jungle and abandonned Aaron.

troublemaker
post #134  on June 5, 2008 - 1:13 PM PDT  
The speed in which the scene transitioned between Christian telling Michael "he could go" and the immediate explosion afterward led me to believe that Michael was finally allowed to die. Jin on the other hand, I'm nearly positive is alive. Given Sun's larger role in the overall show in recent episodes and the Lost writers' habit for throwing curveballs out of left field, I'm sure Jin will have a dramatic appearance out of nowhere somewhere in the middle of next season.

Will Walt be included with the group of individuals that must be together to somehow make it back to the island?

I'm curious to see what will happen with the remainder of the people on the island and how they will interact with the group of others with Locke as their leader.

And are we right to assume now that Ben can no longer revisit the island his motivations for the next season are essentially to screw Widmore? There seems to be a lot of emotional anger at play with a number of the survivors. We have an angry Ben, Sun, and Sayid.

Yeah, lots of tangent thoughts. Apologies on the lack of coherency here.
hamano
post #135  on June 21, 2008 - 9:13 AM PDT  
I think Claire's been dead since her hut was blown up by the commandos. She just didn't realize it until Christian "called" her. That's why Miles kept staring at Claire but didn't bother to follow her when she got up and left... he could sense that she was a ghost or something not quite right.

My question is are Christian and Claire really Christian and Claire? Or are they manifestations of the island that take the forms and some of the memories and personalities of the dead? Has Locke been actually dead since the crash? Are the only real survivors the Oceanic Six AND the characters who have died on-screen since the crash (like Claire and Charlie and Mr. Eko...)

I was worried that the off-island storyline would do to LOST what the post-escape episodes did to Prison Break, but so far it's holding together, I think.

I'm confused about one thing... what happened to the survivors who were being ferried to the freighter from the island? We saw the last batch of survivors leave the beach so that it seemed the only ones on the island when it was "moved" were Locke, the camping Others, Juliet and Sawyer. We saw a shot of the last boatload with Faraday when the Island was moved. We saw everyone on Kahana scrambling to escape before the C4 blew up.

I guess the Kahana had a complement of life boats so I'm thinking the characters who had made it to the freighter plus at least some of the Kahana crew managed to escape, including Bernard and Rose, and possibly Jin, who was on the deck. But if they were in the water when the Island moved, where are they now? Are they all supposed to have died in the explosion? If I was Sun would I have given up on Jin so easily? Could Sun be convinced to return to the island? When Ben says ALL of the survivors have to go back to the island, including Locke's corpse, I suppose that includes Aaron but does it include Sun's baby as well? Can anyone fill me in on these points if I missed something?

Oh, and what is the timeline now? How much time has elapsed since the island was moved? It looked like Ben went straight to Tunisia from the Island after he moved it, but he himself wasn't sure and asked the front desk lady what day/year it was. Aaron was a baby and now he's a toddler...
troublemaker
post #136  on September 9, 2008 - 4:32 PM PDT  
Any Lost fans going to watch premiere of Fringe tonight?

I'm half tempted to after listening to Abram's interview on NPR last night. He cited "Altered States" as a huge inspiration for the show.
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