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DVD MIA Redux -- 2008
Topic by: kaream
Posted: February 12, 2008 - 2:02 AM PST
Last Reply: November 13, 2009 - 3:38 PM PST

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author topic: DVD MIA Redux -- 2008
kaream
post #21  on March 19, 2008 - 12:47 AM PDT  
> On March 18, 2008 - 11:08 PM PDT kaream wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> These Korean imports are not at all crappy quality; from what I've seen they're at least as good as what Fox Lorber sometimes puts out.
> ---------------------------------

However, Korean rereleases of Western films tend to censor out any nudity/sexuality. Sometimes they chop out frames (without providing a corrected timing in their description), other times they apply pasties over exposed body parts, or both. For instance, the Korean release of The Story of O is littered with big pink hearts over all crotches and a few breasts, and there's a 12-minute discrepancy in the stated timing.

I was going to post the availability of Antonioni's Beyond the Clouds, but an Amazon reviewer warns against this very same problem. You definitely want to avoid any Korean releases of anything that should include some T&A or sex.


By the way, that Russian copy of Zabriskie Point you recently bought is a good quality transfer. I noted the actual timing was 106:40, whereas IMDb gives 110 minutes. I'd never seen the movie before, but it didn't seem as though anything might have been cut -- it did include what appeared to be all of the nude lovemaking scene. This slight discrepancy is probably just PAL-to-NTSC conversion. (If anyone notices that something *was* cut, please post a correction here, or even better, make a note at that webpage.)
kaream
post #22  on March 19, 2008 - 1:09 AM PDT  
Sorry, I screwed up both of those links -- hopefully these will work:

Antonioni's Beyond the Clouds

and

Zabriskie Point
kaream
post #23  on March 19, 2008 - 1:58 AM PDT  
And for that matter, if

> > U - Nostalghia (Tarkovsky 1983) -- 10.82 (several sources)
> >

includes anything likely to be cut or pastied, forget it. I HATE it when they do that -- I'd rather not see it at all.


And it's not just the Koreans. I'm still totally burned up about what Sony did to Lawrence of Arabia, cutting probably less than one minute of runtime to eliminate a scene crucial to understanding the story, and has caused confusion in viewers and spawned arguments ever since. I've bitched about it here before, somewhere -- after the beating on the bench, and before he's thrown out into the road, in the original theatrical release Lawrence is hauled up to the Bey's back office and tied to a wooden structure with his butt positioned for pleasure (not his); Lawrence has a horrified look on his face, while the Bey is smirking. Why would Lean allow this travesty to happen? O'Toole was completely covered with that Arab thawb (prolly w/o any undies tho). I saw somewhere that Lean was going to release a restored version, only in the UK, and only theatrically.
underdog
post #24  on March 19, 2008 - 10:50 AM PDT  
Good to know that the Zabriskie print is more than adequate. I was worried about that one but sounds like it's just fine. Look forward to watching it myself. Once everyone's done with it. ;-)

And good news re: Nostalghia, we are going to try to get copies off of ebay of the all-region import. It's full screen, alas, but otherwise looks fine. So stay tuned on that one!

kaream
post #25  on March 21, 2008 - 3:59 PM PDT  
X - Show Boat (Whale 1936) -- this is the older Universal version with Irene Dunne, and Paul Robeson as Joe; previously available on VHS, but that format is now OOP.
kaream
post #26  on March 22, 2008 - 10:55 PM PDT  
> U - Kes (Loach 1974)
> ---------------------------------

No idea where that 1974 came from -- actual date per IMDb is 1969, which makes much more sense. Sorry about that. Available as PAL Region 2 or Region 4 only.
kaream
post #27  on March 24, 2008 - 2:37 AM PDT  
I failed to list in my OP in this thread Eoliano's request for the Mizoguchi version of 47 Ronin (1941).

IMDb returns five movie versions of the 47 Ronin story, as follows:

X - Chūshingura - Zempen: Akahokyō no maki (Kinugasa 1932)
U - Genroku Chūshingura (Mizoguchi 1941) -- 16.95 (several sources; factory-wrapped Korean release w/ English titles, stated as same 222-minute runtime as shown here.)
X - Dai Chūshingura (Osone 1957)
A - Chushingura - Hana no maki yuki no maki (Inagaki 1962) (GC shows as available to rent, green-barred, but states as OOP; however, Amazon sells this as being in stock with no indication of low quantities.)
A - Shijushichinin no shikaku (Ichikawa 1994) (GC shows as available to rent, also green-barred; again, Amazon sells as in-print and in stock.)

Perhaps GreenCine would be interested in checking out the requested 1941 Mizoguchi for $16.95?
kaream
post #28  on March 24, 2008 - 3:16 AM PDT  
> On March 24, 2008 - 2:37 AM PDT kaream wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> U - Genroku Chūshingura (Mizoguchi 1941) -- 16.95 (several sources; factory-wrapped Korean release w/ English titles, stated as same 222-minute runtime as shown here.)
>
> Perhaps GreenCine would be interested in checking out the requested 1941 Mizoguchi for $16.95?
> ---------------------------------

I keep forgetting to mention that nearly all of these Korean rereleases are region-free. This one has no PAL warning. And presumably there's nothing in it that would attract the eye of the T&A/sex censors.
weezy
post #29  on March 24, 2008 - 12:27 PM PDT  
We now have copies of 41 Ronin released to rental circulation with fingers crossed - the price on Amazon is actually $69.99 for the cheapest copy.

We've updated the product description of Chushingura and Shijushichinin no shikaku (Ichikawa 1994) to not out of print. As noted by Kaream, we do have plenty of copies of both titles in stock to rent.

kaream
post #30  on March 24, 2008 - 2:10 PM PDT  
> On March 24, 2008 - 12:27 PM PDT weezy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> We now have copies of 47 Ronin released to rental circulation with fingers crossed - the price on Amazon is actually $69.99 for the cheapest copy.
> ---------------------------------

Weezy, the $70 copy is just for the US Region 1 release on Image; the Korean region-free rerelease of the same movie, also with English subtitles, is the one I was pointing out. Three different importers list brand-new copies of this for $17. And it is specified as being NTSC. Other than the Korean nudity/sex censorship problem, which surely won't apply to this wartime Japanese film, I've found these Korean releases to be of very good transfer quality.

Search '47 Ronin' at Amazon -- I'm looking at their 2nd entry, while you're looking at the 3rd one.
kaream
post #31  on March 24, 2008 - 2:21 PM PDT  
> On March 24, 2008 - 2:10 PM PDT kaream wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Search '47 Ronin' at Amazon -- I'm looking at their 2nd entry, while you're looking at the 3rd one.
> ---------------------------------

The 47 Ronin a Kenji Mizoguchi Film (Import, All-Region)

$16.95 +s/h New
Comments: KOREAN RELEASE. JAPANESE WITH ENGLISH SUB. NTSC ALL REGIONS. SHIP FIRST CLASS MAIL.
kaream
post #32  on March 24, 2008 - 2:28 PM PDT  
(I assume that for stuff like this you always try to negotiate directly with the sellers rather than purchasing through Amazon, at least to avoid multiple s/h charges, if not also getting a price break on quantity.)
underdog
post #33  on March 24, 2008 - 3:46 PM PDT  
You can assume we're not paying $70 per disc, definitely. :-) And in this case, we had a special inside way of acquiring that one, at only nickels per each ronin!

kaream
post #34  on March 24, 2008 - 4:00 PM PDT  
> On March 24, 2008 - 3:46 PM PDT underdog wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> You can assume we're not paying $70 per disc, definitely. :-) And in this case, we had a special inside way of acquiring that one, at only nickels per each ronin!
> ---------------------------------

Good to hear! :-)

So will this be the US version from Image, or the import? I'd guess the latter should probably be of comparable quality.
kaream
post #35  on March 24, 2008 - 4:51 PM PDT  
> On March 3, 2008 - 9:54 PM PST kaream wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > > U - listed as Used/new in Amazon Marketplace, many in PAL format / non-USA region
> > > N - Amazon shows as No copies currently available, incl some Not yet released
> > > X - Amazon has no DVD entry, but some in VHS
> > > ---------------------------------

I've also marked some titles as A - Available new, as shown at Amazon


> >
> > I love it when you guys go out rummaging. There's plenty more titles available out there from specialty dealers. Amazon Marketplace is a hodge-podge of everything including individuals selling their old used stuff, but a lot of reputable dealers also list their entire catalogs there.
> > ---------------------------------
>
>
> I'm finding the following titles that it would be great for GC to pick up a copy or two. These are shown as being new factory-wrapped copies, all either region 1 or region-free, under $35:
>
> U - Bronx Tale, A (De Niro 1993) -- 29.94 MOVIESONSALE1
> U - Chimes at Midnight (Welles 1965) -- 32.99 DTMDVDS
> U - Innocent, The (Visconti 1976) -- 24.99 SPSTORE
> U - Johnny Got His Gun (Trumbo 1971) -- 25.78 ALLMEDIAFUN
> U - Letter from an Unknown Woman (Ophuls 1948) -- 15.99 (two sources)
> U - Ludwig (Visconti 1972) -- 29.99 MARINASBOOKS
> U - Nazarin (Bunuel 1959) -- 31.99 (several sources)
> U - Olvidados, Los (Bunuel 1950) -- 33.45 VIVEROS2007
> U - Wuthering Heights (Wyler 1939) -- 11.65 (several sources)
>
> I didn't check out the entire list up in the OP, just the titles I would be interested in seeing. I'd think you'd want to jump for the Wyler/Olivier/Oberon Wuthering Heights at that price in any case. The Ophuls would be nice, too. And how can you not have Chimes at Midnight?
> ---------------------------------


I guess it's time to raise the question of whether it's at all helpful to you GC staff for members to be rummaging at Amazon or other sites, looking for titles like these. I was just arbitrarily using a cutoff of $35, which might well be too pricey, depending on the specific movie and its expected demand.

As it happens, I personally am not all that anxious to see the 1941 Mizoguchi 47 Ronin, but I'd break down doors for most of the ones listed here.

I'm sure you do have your own ways and means of finding and obtaining inexpensive copies of OOP titles, which is great.

So do posts like these showing availability found at Amazon Marketplace dealers help in pointing out leads to the catalog department, or are they just redundant because you're already constantly researching all of these titles anyway?
kaream
post #36  on March 25, 2008 - 11:47 AM PDT  
Or, is it more a matter of GreenCine preferring to concentrate your resources on higher-demand horror/ anime/ cult/ etc than on older foreign/ classics/ etc? (The De Niro doesn't fit into any of these, of course.)
underdog
post #37  on March 25, 2008 - 12:14 PM PDT  
> On March 25, 2008 - 11:47 AM PDT kaream wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Or, is it more a matter of GreenCine preferring to concentrate your resources on higher-demand horror/ anime/ cult/ etc than on older foreign/ classics/ etc? (The De Niro doesn't fit into any of these, of course.)
> ---------------------------------

It's always useful to get reminders of possibilities for generally OOP titles, if they're not too pricey. We do research them on our own of course, but everything helps. We don't always buy these kinds of films from ebay, we check everywhere. But, sure, it helps. And re: this last question, we like a mix of all these things. Don't want to focus on any one area but yes the higher the demand the better chance we'll get something. There's no point in investing an above average amount on titles that only 1-2 people will rent, but anytime we can get a classic film or important film or cult favorite that is rare but do-able, we'll try!
kaream
post #38  on March 25, 2008 - 1:10 PM PDT  
> On March 24, 2008 - 4:51 PM PDT kaream wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > U - Bronx Tale, A (De Niro 1993) -- 29.94 MOVIESONSALE1
> > U - Chimes at Midnight (Welles 1965) -- 32.99 DTMDVDS
> > U - Innocent, The (Visconti 1976) -- 24.99 SPSTORE
> > U - Johnny Got His Gun (Trumbo 1971) -- 25.78 ALLMEDIAFUN
> > U - Letter from an Unknown Woman (Ophuls 1948) -- 15.99 (two sources)
> > U - Ludwig (Visconti 1972) -- 29.99 MARINASBOOKS
> > U - Nazarin (Bunuel 1959) -- 31.99 (several sources)
> > U - Olvidados, Los (Bunuel 1950) -- 33.45 VIVEROS2007
> > U - Wuthering Heights (Wyler 1939) -- 11.65 (several sources)
> ---------------------------------

Well, for instance, of these nine suggestions, only the Bronx Tale page has a Request for Rental button.

The 1939 Wuthering Heights obviously did generate interest when you had it available, since it received 37 votes for an overall 7.05 rating -- which is not too shabby, considering. Ludwig got only 7 votes, but its rating was 8.29. The Welles and the two Bunuels may be too expensive, but they're all three clearly important films. As is the Ophuls, listed at half the price of the others.

Maybe you could hang up request buttons for some of these?
CLippincott
post #39  on March 25, 2008 - 1:19 PM PDT  
How about..

U-Resurrection with Ellen Burstyn

I like this one a lot.

Chris
kaream
post #40  on March 25, 2008 - 2:13 PM PDT  
> On March 25, 2008 - 1:19 PM PDT CLippincott wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> U-Resurrection with Ellen Burstyn
> ---------------------------------

Can you cite a source for this? I don't see that title listed on her page at IMDb. And, does Amazon Marketplace show any available copies?
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