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Lost - Season 5
Topic by: Cinenaut
Posted: January 8, 2009 - 9:43 PM PST
Last Reply: October 3, 2009 - 10:16 PM PDT

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author topic: Lost - Season 5
Cinenaut
post #21  on February 12, 2009 - 3:17 PM PST  
As far as I'm concerned, this season just keep getting better and better. It's great when you're left with the feeling that you just can't wait for the next episode.

The part where Sawyer was left holding the rope was great, and so was the scene where Jin is reunited with the rest of the time hoppers. Oh, and Jin saying "Monster!"

I think you're right about Miles being the filmstrip guy's son. Charlotte got the worst bloody nose, because she grew up on the island, Miles is next, and the rest of the crew have been there a relatively short period of time.
weezy
post #22  on February 13, 2009 - 10:50 AM PST  
The part where Jin yells "RUUUN!!!" is ALSO great!


Cinenaut
post #23  on February 13, 2009 - 1:23 PM PST  
Oh, you're right, that was a great moment!

I could watch that episode again.

People over on the Onion's AVClub site are speculating that the smoke monster can take over a person's persona, so when Montaud was pulled down the hole, it wasn't really him talking, it was the smoke monster. I'm not sure if I buy that, but it does make some sense.

> On February 13, 2009 - 10:50 AM PST weezy wrote:
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> The part where Jin yells "RUUUN!!!" is ALSO great!
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>
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underdog
post #24  on February 13, 2009 - 3:13 PM PST  
So is the smoke monster clearly established as controlled/created by the Dharma Project as a sort of watchdog? Or was there another explanation yet?

I don't know about the Onion AV speculation but it's a fun theory at any rate.

That was the best episode of the new season so far. Things are starting to click and in that one at least the characters didn't feel as much like pawns being moved around. There was one sort of contrived silly moment with the time shifts but otherwise it was a very solid episode.
Cinenaut
post #25  on February 13, 2009 - 6:39 PM PST  
Yeah, whatever's going on, it will be interesting to see what "the sickness" was, and what the hell is up with the smoke monster.

So, are they going to go back to the island in shifts?
Cinenaut
post #26  on February 19, 2009 - 9:24 AM PST  
I thought last night's episode was not so hot. It was kind of a tedious "setting up the bowling pins" episode. What was Ben up to? Why is Hurley on the plane? Why is Sayid on the plane?

It will be a relief to have everybody back on the island. The L.A. scenes never did much for me.

Are they all stuck back in Dharma Initiative days? Or did Jin just come across a treasure trove of well-preserved artifacts?
weezy
post #27  on February 19, 2009 - 11:00 AM PST  
I was so scared that they were all going to crash or get warped before Jack got a chance to read Locke's note. Stubborn Jack!!! I was yelling at the screen for him to read the note right when he got it. What a note though, that definitely had me on my toes for the entire episode.

I am hoping that Ben didn't do something to Penny to make Desmond go back to the Island. When he made that call all bloodied up he was near a dock. That would be heartbreaking.

I too am happy they're back on the Island. I loved the awesome opening sequence. One of my friends posted on his twitter today that he believes the guitar that Hurley was floating on is Charlie's!

underdog
post #28  on February 19, 2009 - 12:05 PM PST  
I agree that the LA scenes don't do much for me either but I thought last night's was overall a pretty good episode. It did get off to a slow start but the last half was great. I loved whatshis name, the helicopter pilot, appearing as the pilot on the jet. "We're... not going to Guam are we?"

Hurley had a few good moments, too. And I liked seeing Jin in the Dharma uniform at the end. All the time paradoxical stuff is starting to make me woozy, though.

I think my nose is bleeding!

Next week looks to be all about Locke.
troublemaker
post #29  on February 19, 2009 - 4:39 PM PST  
Definitely a "setting up the bowling pins" type of episode, but there were enough worthwhile moments throughout it to have me sitting upright in clenched suspense. So it appears they were all time-warped out of the plane instead of crashing? I'm wondering if Locke leaving the island didn't fix the warps but slowed down the frequency of the occurrences. Remember how Farraday supposedly warned Charlotte in her childhood, and the first episode of the season showed he existed in that time period. I'm wondering if Jin and the rest of the remaining people on the island managed to infiltrate or work for Dharma with Farrday's aid.
underdog
post #30  on February 20, 2009 - 9:31 AM PST  
Good ol' Woozy/Siren Tiger wanted me to pass on this lengthy musing on Lost to y'all, since Woozy is still in lurking mode.

--

Ha.You're not woozy! I am!

Hee, hee. I thought Locke's suicide note when finally read was anti-climatic.

Time travel and time flashes mean that although three years have passed for the Oceanic 6/5, that doesn't mean three years has passed for Jin and Sawyer's group. Especially if the island is in Dahrma Dayz.

So do you think Ben went to kill Penny but Desmond beat the crap out of him?
Do you think Hurley saw a vision of Charlie which convinced him to return to the island with a guitar?
Do you think it was Jack's group in the outrigger with the Ajirah bottled water shooting at Sawyer's group (each misinformed, of course)?

How's this for a theory: Had Desmond, Lapidus, Ben, and the Oceanic 6 been on the island (or within the island's "range) they too would have been experiencing the time flashes but as they weren't, they didn't. Once in "range" again, they are susceptable to time flashes and that is precisely what the experienced in the plane flying over island and thus they and their luggage but not the plane were transported in time. Neat theory, huh? That would mean Lepidus was transported too and the plane's pilot vanishes into air. Of course if that were the case, then the entire island just shifted an hour ago so Jin's Dharma van couldn't have travelled with Jin (unless Jin has commandeered it in the last hour).

I prefer my other theory that the island "wanted" the five (guess Aaron doesn't count) but didn't want Ben (although Ben's sheer force of will prevents us from even considering that.

I thought for a while that Sayid was being escorted onto the plane under arrest in the company of a marshal at first. Um, who *was* that guy accompanying Sayid and giving his condolences to Jack in the check-in line? And yes, I know they were all dour and gloom and not in the mood to chat and be chummy, but sheesh... a long flight on an empty plane.... you'd think they'd get up and talk to each other a *little* bit.

Here's what I wrote to Cinne on the subject:

I knew Jin wasn't dead. Charlotte's probably dead but may not be.

My wild Siren Tiger prophecies:
==Charlie's ghost told Hurley to go on the plane and to bring a guitar.
==Charlotte knew about the well because the crazy man Farraday told her as a child. Or if she's not dead, though she probably is, her consciousness was travelling from the future where she remembered the well.
==Damn, I really hope Ben was not successful in murdering Penny to coerce Desmond but the writers didn't care what I felt about Rosseau and Alex so I imagine they just killed Penny off. Sniff. Well, dead or alive Ben definately attempted to kill her. That was the "promise to an old friend."
==And speaking of Charles Whidmore, could he perhaps not be such a bad guy? Despite his appearent nastiness he's given Desmond everything he wanted: Penny's address in 1996 *and* Elloise's address in 2008.
==Although the island was in Guam when Ajirah airline flew over it in 2008, the time on the island is fresh Dharma days. Farraday is peeking over Dharma's shoulder as they explore the "anomally" which is partially related to Jughead which is burried near the Swan station as seen in the opening shot of the season premierre. Jin has taken a job with Ben's father while Julliette, Sawyer, and others are hiding out among the island's "indigenous" and scaring the beejezus of a girl-hood Charlotte. The light was *not* a plain crash but the Oceanic, er 5, getting caught in a "time flash" while the rest of the plane continued flying and the 5 found themselves and their luggage a few hundred feet in the air. (Did Lepidas purposely fly low so they wouldn't have far to fall?)
==Ben used Aaron to force Kate along. And something very nasty is going to happen to Kate when she *returns* to California as part of her sentencing was that she could never leave California for ten years (hence her Sunglasses in the airport). Somethings going to happen with Ji Yoen and Aaron so I'm not going to rule out that the "real world" will still have relivance if if they are "back on the island".
== So the island can revive Lockes legs and nervous system. Appearantly it can also raise him from the dead?

And my question:


Why did Daniel Farraday name his lab rat, Eloise, after his mother? When Farraday told Desmond "If the coordinates don't convince me, tell me I know about Eloise" was Farraday talking about his mother all along and Desmond only assumed it was the rat. Did 2004 Farraday mean his mother while 1996 Farraday assumed Desmond meant the rat?

Favorite Line:
"How can you read?"
"My mother taught me."

Favorite scene:
"Jack, small world! Uh, is that Sayid? .... Um, we're not going to Guam, are we?" I could just imagine Frank's pit falling out of his stomach at that point.

---ciao
Siren Tiger.
weezy
post #31  on February 20, 2009 - 11:06 AM PST  
nice one woozy, lots to chew on there.

Just saw this today on buzzfeed - Evangeline Lilly in a Live Links Ad!. Why hellooo Kate.
doozer
post #32  on February 21, 2009 - 9:58 AM PST  
I just watched the episode. Anybody else notice Hurley reading a spanish copy of Y: The Last Man at the airport?
weezy
post #33  on February 25, 2009 - 11:53 PM PST  
> On February 21, 2009 - 9:58 AM PST doozer wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I just watched the episode. Anybody else notice Hurley reading a spanish copy of Y: The Last Man at the airport?
> ---------------------------------

Y the Last Hombre!!

Such a cool reference.

LOST WAS SO RIDICULOUS TONIGHT. I LOVE Locke episodes!!
Cinenaut
post #34  on February 26, 2009 - 7:37 AM PST  
That was just the most delicious twist ever.

Here's Ben's history on the show:

Who is this guy? He's creepy! Hold on, he seems to be kind of nice. Oh no, he's evil. Wait. maybe he's not so bad. He's actually helping... yikes! Nope, evil. Wow, Ben's been nice for a really long time now... maybe he really is a regular guy. AAAAAHHH! HE'S EVIL!
underdog
post #35  on February 26, 2009 - 10:33 AM PST  


I like how in a way it's Ben vs Whidmore and yet they're both evil bastards. And yet you can see how people would believe one or the other. I look forward to Locke's next meeting with Ben.

I would love a time map for this show that reminds me where they are in time during each sequence. Makes me dizzy.
underdog
post #36  on February 26, 2009 - 10:34 AM PST  
> On February 25, 2009 - 11:53 PM PST weezy wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> > On February 21, 2009 - 9:58 AM PST doozer wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > I just watched the episode. Anybody else notice Hurley reading a spanish copy of Y: The Last Man at the airport?
> > ---------------------------------
>
> Y the Last Hombre!!
>
> Such a cool reference.

Good ol' Brian Vaughan, couldn't resist slipping in a little plug for his comic series.

underdog
post #37  on February 26, 2009 - 10:34 AM PST  
And I thought the scene with Locke and Walt was nice to have -- but played out kind of weakly. I don't know, it just felt forced. But overall that was a scary and memorable episode.
troublemaker
post #38  on February 27, 2009 - 12:38 PM PST  
I've been fixated on thoughts of the newly introduced "Caesar" character. In the most recent episode Widmore hints at an inevitable war or showdown (presumably this season will build up to that for season 6). Knowing the way the show emphasizes names, is it too far of a stretch to imagine Caesar becoming a new type of leader for people on the island?

Widmore tells John that he used to be the leader of the others before Ben tricked him into leaving. Now of course this being Lost, we can't take anything at face value, but what if Widmore really was the leader at some point? Where exactly does that put Richard Alpert? Why did Richard step down to let Widmore have his eventual reign?

Also, while Charlie did die, he did so on the island. As is evident, the island can bring people back to life. With Hurley (again presumably) bringing back Charlie's guitar, perhaps a foreshadowing of an eventual Charlie return?


And yes, I agree that the Walt scene this week was not so good. I think the actor who plays him has lost his acting chops as he's gotten older. That or he can't act unless he's responding to someone yelling "Waaaaaaaaalt!"
Cinenaut
post #39  on March 1, 2009 - 12:48 PM PST  
I'll always remember the actor (Sad Taghmaoui) who plays Caesar from the movie Three Kings. "You like Michael Jackson, my main man?" He was Mark Wahlberg's worst nightmare in that film.

It's almost as if Richard Alpert is an android or something. He never ages and it doesn't seem like he's ever the actual leader. Maybe it's one of those deals where the king is sacrificed, so nobody in the know really wants to be king? Oh, except that Ben does want to be the leader.

Hopefully they'll show how Ben managed to trick Whidmore into leaving the island.

It really does seem like Walt's character has been totally wasted. They were setting up an interesting plot line with him in the early episodes with all his visions and psychic abilities.



> On February 27, 2009 - 12:38 PM PST troublemaker wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> I've been fixated on thoughts of the newly introduced "Caesar" character. In the most recent episode Widmore hints at an inevitable war or showdown (presumably this season will build up to that for season 6). Knowing the way the show emphasizes names, is it too far of a stretch to imagine Caesar becoming a new type of leader for people on the island?
>
> Widmore tells John that he used to be the leader of the others before Ben tricked him into leaving. Now of course this being Lost, we can't take anything at face value, but what if Widmore really was the leader at some point? Where exactly does that put Richard Alpert? Why did Richard step down to let Widmore have his eventual reign?
>
> Also, while Charlie did die, he did so on the island. As is evident, the island can bring people back to life. With Hurley (again presumably) bringing back Charlie's guitar, perhaps a foreshadowing of an eventual Charlie return?
>
>
> And yes, I agree that the Walt scene this week was not so good. I think the actor who plays him has lost his acting chops as he's gotten older. That or he can't act unless he's responding to someone yelling "Waaaaaaaaalt!"
> ---------------------------------

underdog
post #40  on March 5, 2009 - 8:00 PM PST  


Finally watched this one (March 4) and thought it was a great episode, though I had initial worries: "Oh great, more characters in the mix, more confusion!" But it was very well done as it turned out, one of the more provocative episodes in awhile. Hard not to have your eyes wide open by that final scene.

So I assume that redheaded girl Daniel spies in the Dharma village is young Charlotte, right?

Well at least now I can see how they can stretch this show out for one more season. Hopefully it won't feel like stretching as it works toward the conclusion.

2 week wait, bah!
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